Big Heat (and storms?) Week into July 4th Weekend

[WxUSAF]

Going to be 0.1” or just over in Columbia. Maybe just a T for Greenbelt..  crazy I95 rain shield

[pazzo83]

DCA had a high of 103.

[Kay]

34 minutes ago, Kay said:

It's been rocking, plenty of wind, power out sadly.

0.3"

[MN Transplant]

Not much more than sprinkles 

[snowfan]

Despite a few hours of T&L, I barely got any rain

[pazzo83]

lightning in our vicinity - maybe there is some interaction with the remaining hot air over the city lol

[nj2va]

69/67 as we wait for the Deep Creek Fireworks to start in a few minutes. USA! 

[vortex95]

13 hours ago, kgottwald said:

Yeah, almost every time an article from The Guardian appeared in my feed, it was "Climate catastrophe!! World ending, everyone's gonna die!!" I guess they're some of the folks pushing for "degrowth". I had to block them, because I'm damn sick and tired of seeing nothing but bad news, all day, every day.

I think we can all agree that the hype and gloom/doom everywhere is a problem.  Find some common ground on an issue/debate, and work from there.

If we do not quantify a problem/issue properly, then how are we supposed to handle/address it properly?  Resources and $$ are finite/limited, and we know wasteful spending/graft are rife.  You are not going act the best way if you are fired-up and we are fighting among ourselves!

Emotional, knee-jerk reactions to problems/issues almost always end up counterproductive.  Perhaps not at first, but the long-term, and the long-term is what counts.  But it is a challenge for all of us to think more iong-term and in the abstract b/c we want solutions and things fixed now!  Shortcoming and fallacies of human nature always are there causing their own problems.  But realizing/understanding this as a base, make discussions/debates better IMHO.

[JakkelWx]

absolutely surreal with fireworks going up all around me with a disco ball right overhead at the same time. somehow barely even a tenth. LOL. but the anvil crawlers are something else.

[vortex95]

13 hours ago, Eskimo Joe said:

Today's the day where some wicked storm fires up and we see a top to 45-50,000 ft.

580 thickness?  60,000 ft I bet occurred w/ such a high tropopause/EL!

[Kay]

22 minutes ago, vortex95 said:

I think we can all agree that the hype and gloom/doom everywhere is a problem.  Find some common ground on an issue/debate, and work from there.

If we do not quantify a problem/issue properly, then how are we supposed to handle/address it properly?  Resources and $$ are finite/limited, and we know wasteful spending/graft are rife.  You are not going act the best way if you are fired-up and we are fighting among ourselves!

Emotional, knee-jerk reactions to problems/issues almost always end up counterproductive.  Perhaps not at first, but the long-term, and the long-term is what counts.  But it is a challenge for all of us to think more iong-term and in the abstract b/c we want solutions and things fixed now!  Shortcoming and fallacies of human nature always are there causing their own problems.  But realizing/understanding this as a base, make discussions/debates better IMHO.

We can agree. Snowenoutthere, a college student, wrote eloquently about rejecting this type of nihilism. I don't know who you're arguing with here but you keep trotting this out, a bit like a strawman, which is a..you know what. Anyway there's a separate forum for this whole discussion and I'm probably about to get in trouble. Why don't you share your take on the science there (not the nihilism, we get that).

[notvirga!]

Heckuva storm in Owings Mills. Might have been the strongest winds I’ve seen since moving here in ‘18. Heard there power outages in Owings Mills and Reisterstown and a tree fell on house in Reisterstown as well. 

[vortex95]

11 hours ago, yoda said:

 

https://www.capitalweather.com/100-degree-days-in-washington-d-c/

1930 had 11

2012 had 8

And I will post this again for reference.  Go figure!

Washington DC ended a streak of 2867 days w/o 100 F reading on
6/22/2024.  This is the 5th longest period on record since 1872.

[Araz07]

33 minutes ago, notvirga! said:

Heckuva storm in Owings Mills. Might have been the strongest winds I’ve seen since moving here in ‘18. Heard there power outages in Owings Mills and Reisterstown and a tree fell on house in Reisterstown as well. 

That storm weakened right as it passed over me, 0.14" total.

[BlizzardNole]

OK that was a rough go in central Calvert.  We had some 50-60 mph gusts with a lot of branches down and a pine tree that snapped and partially fell on my new shed.  Inside looks OK but not sure about the roof until I can get it off.  Brief torrential rain, lots of close lightning and some pea-sized hail.  We lost power for around an hour.  Nearby Mesonet has 0.89.  I hope there's a lot more in coming days

Funny thing as more t-storms have been coming through and these people down here just kept right on shooting off fireworks and hooting LOL

[vortex95]

8 hours ago, Eskimo Joe said:

BWI hits 100°

Inner Harbor hits 101°

And I just came across this.  An AWOS was just commissioned at the Pier 7 Heliport in Baltimore.
https://www.airnav.com/airport/4MD

So a site to compete w/ the furnace that KDMH is?  LOL.

The site METARs are not on the WMSCR/NCEP feeds currently.  Not sure if they will be, but if they are added, I will let the forum know.  No AWOS phone number was listed in the NFDD entry (see attachment). 
 

[pazzo83]

10 minutes ago, vortex95 said:

And I will post this again for reference.  Go figure!

Washington DC ended a streak of 2867 days w/o 100 F reading on
6/22/2024.  This is the 5th longest period on record since 1872.

see if you can spot the trend!!! 

[hstorm]

Storms rolled through and cooled it down nicely for the Great Falls fireworks. 72 degrees. Happy 250th!

[nw baltimore wx]

13 minutes ago, vortex95 said:

And I just came across this.  An AWOS was just commissioned at the Pier 7 Heliport in Baltimore.
https://www.airnav.com/airport/4MD

So a site to compete w/ the furnace that KDMH is?  LOL.

The site METARs are not on the WMSCR/NCEP feeds currently.  Not sure if they will be, but if they are added, I will let the forum know.  No AWOS phone number was listed in the NFDD entry (see attachment). 
 

Just say what you want to say.

[vortex95]

23 minutes ago, pazzo83 said:

see if you can spot the trend!!! 

Thanks for posting the graph!  You can see the big years clearly.  1980, 1988, and 2012 show up well.

I agree the long-term trend is up, but it's not strongly.  IMHO, the biggest factor is the UHI.

I'm originally from the BOS area.  Logan Airport has a bunch of issues w/ temp, precip, and snowfall.  For temp, once the airport was built, the obs were moved from the downtown. Through the late 70s, the wx equipment was next to the building that housed the NWS at the airport.  Then the wx equipment was moved to the center of the runways.  Makes sense from an aviation standpoint.  But this actually made things *cooler* in the summer b/c the runways are surrounded by water on 3 sides (landfill).  So BOS hit 102 on July 21, 1977, and then did not hit 100 again until July 14, 1995.  It hit 100 many, many times before 1977.  It took 18 years for the UHI effect to get BOS to 100 again, and it has no problem hitting that since.

Just shows how even minor changes to wx equipment location can make a sig difference!

[vortex95]

8 minutes ago, nw baltimore wx said:

Just say what you want to say.

Not at all.  Not implying anything in this case.  I am big into wx reporting stations around the globe and keep track of all METAR/TAF/SYNOP/BUOY.

[pazzo83]

4 minutes ago, vortex95 said:

Thanks for posting the graph!  You can see the big years clearly.  1980, 1988, and 2012 show up well.

I agree the long-term trend is up, but it's not strongly.  IMHO, the biggest factor is the UHI.

I'm originally from the BOS area.  Logan Airport has a bunch of issues w/ temp, precip, and snowfall.  For temp, once the airport was built, the obs were moved from the downtown. Through the late 70s, the wx equipment was next to the building that housed the NWS at the airport.  Then the wx equipment was moved to the center of the runways.  Makes sense from an aviation standpoint.  But this actually made things *cooler* in the summer b/c the runways are surrounded by water on 3 sides (landfill).  So BOS hit 102 on July 21, 1977, and then did not hit 100 again until July 14, 1995.  It hit 100 many, many times before 1977.  It took 18 years for the UHI effect to get BOS to 100 again, and it has no problem hitting that since.

Just shows how even minor changes to wx equipment location can make a sig difference!

inside the beltway has been heavily urbanized since the mid 20th Century - so, not really sure UHI explains it (particularly the immediate area around DCA).  Maybe if you're looking at a graph of IAD or something, sure.  But the location around DCA has been built up for a long, long time.  That's like saying UHI explains recent changes in Central Park.

[pazzo83]

lmao this dude just comes in here - and completely unprompted - starts an argument about climate change.

[vortex95]

1 hour ago, Kay said:

We can agree. Snowenoutthere, a college student, wrote eloquently about rejecting this type of nihilism. I don't know who you're arguing with here but you keep trotting this out, a bit like a strawman, which is a..you know what. Anyway there's a separate forum for this whole discussion and I'm probably about to get in trouble. Why don't you share your take on the science there (not the nihilism, we get that).

Understood.  Not trying to cause issues.  So many topics in wx are inexorably tied together, it's not always easy to parse things out neatly.  And sometimes discrete topics discussed together are relevant and provide value.  Yes, I know that is subjective, but that's par for the course.

[pazzo83]

Just now, vortex95 said:

Understood.  Not trying to cause issues.  So many topics in wx are inexorably tied together, it's not always easy to parse things out neatly.  And sometimes discrete topics discussed together are relevant and provide value.  Yes, I know that is subjective, but that's par for the course.

this is a thread about the current heat and storms impacting the DMV.  Are you lost?