michsnowfreak Posted 16 hours ago Share Posted 16 hours ago 23 hours ago, 40/70 Benchmark said: Heh...DT jumping on the "Second half Modoki" train....that is an exaggeration, but as I have ben saying, it will erode from the east, which will allow for more conducive mid seasonal flip. Ill worry about a mid season flip after Christmas. The initial thing of interest will be during the assumably more hostile beginning part of winter, how much snow can we squeak out in the more northern locations. Will also be interesting to see if the Lakes can crank some goods in November. Its been over a decade since we have NOT seen a good November cold shot with snow. And in fact, several Novembers have been snowier than December in that time. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmillzz Posted 12 hours ago Share Posted 12 hours ago 8 hours ago, 40/70 Benchmark said: @LibertyBellhas the record for most quotes in one response. looks manic tbh 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakePaste25 Posted 12 hours ago Share Posted 12 hours ago Rainfall in the SW from tropical remnants while another system goes up the East coast. Certainly El Niño like regardless of whether the H5 out in the N pacific matches, and the C3S and Euro seasonal hinted at this precip. pattern for the fall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormchaserchuck1 Posted 11 hours ago Author Share Posted 11 hours ago So high the color scale goes to white! +12C 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormchaserchuck1 Posted 11 hours ago Author Share Posted 11 hours ago Strongest El Nino on record normalizes the normal La Nina in the equilateral Pacific Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakePaste25 Posted 11 hours ago Share Posted 11 hours ago 18 minutes ago, Stormchaserchuck1 said: So high the color scale goes to white! +12C The thermocline could potentially reverse which is something I’ve never seen before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted 11 hours ago Share Posted 11 hours ago DT https://youtu.be/ZOpnMAt0OhQ?is=39sId3hYh73xhO1Q 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaWx Posted 11 hours ago Share Posted 11 hours ago 1 hour ago, cmillzz said: looks manic tbh I look at @LibertyBellas being the Superman of efficiency, which I can appreciate. However, if someone who wrote one of the 100 posts whom LB replied to wants to reply back, wouldn’t that be a mess? I mean one of my posts (about baseball 8th-9th inning comeback chances) was in another massive reply. I was going to reply back, but never did because of the mess. I guess I could have copied and pasted just the reply to me, but I was too lazy. I don’t think a single person in that position has ever replied back! So, I’ve figured out why LB does this. To minimize replies back. And that’s part of being a Superman of efficiency. Right LB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaWx Posted 11 hours ago Share Posted 11 hours ago 47 minutes ago, MJO812 said: DT https://youtu.be/ZOpnMAt0OhQ?is=39sId3hYh73xhO1Q Anthony, Thanks for posting the DT update. 1. We don’t even know what the QBO is doing anymore thanks to you know who. But, based on where it was early in 2026, there was very little chance that it would NOT be W based this winter. *Edited due to typo* 2. I think that the usefulness of Judah’s SAI is questionable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormchaserchuck1 Posted 11 hours ago Author Share Posted 11 hours ago Modoki is ridiculous. This is the strongest east-based event on record. The subsurface which moves west to east is further west than all Super Nino analogs, which means the east-based nature of the event has staying power. The ECMWF still has Nino 1+2 at +3c next May 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakePaste25 Posted 11 hours ago Share Posted 11 hours ago Yeah I’d exercise caution with the “west based forcing because previous Ninos had forcing more west based than forecast” idea. It’s a valid point, but keep in mind this is east-based beyond historical precedent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted 10 hours ago Share Posted 10 hours ago 28 minutes ago, LakePaste25 said: Yeah I’d exercise caution with the “west based forcing because previous Ninos had forcing more west based than forecast” idea. It’s a valid point, but keep in mind this is east-based beyond historical precedent. My postulation is basin-wide/hybrid forcing for that reason...like 1957 and 1965, but warmer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted 10 hours ago Share Posted 10 hours ago I would also be careful with the very linear line of thought that there can't be any pattern deviation because it's so east based. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakePaste25 Posted 10 hours ago Share Posted 10 hours ago 12 minutes ago, 40/70 Benchmark said: I would also be careful with the very linear line of thought that there can't be any pattern deviation because it's so east based. There could be brief deviations westward, just not expecting a nearly month long deviation like we saw in 2023-2024. The fact that we shut down forcing west of the dateline already and we have a hyperactive EPac hurricane season is notable. 97-98 didn’t even do that this early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormchaserchuck1 Posted 10 hours ago Author Share Posted 10 hours ago 38 minutes ago, 40/70 Benchmark said: My postulation is basin-wide/hybrid forcing for that reason...like 1957 and 1965, but warmer. There would have to be rapid ENSO cooling for that to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FPizz Posted 8 hours ago Share Posted 8 hours ago 4 hours ago, cmillzz said: looks manic tbh He is post restricted i believe so has to do that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaWx Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago Well, it’s that time yet again, time to see how far another very long 2026 -SOI streak will go. As of yesterday, it was up to a whopping 69 days! That 69 days already puts it in 4th place for the longest since 1992. Only 4 more days are needed for it to become the new 3rd longest. However, here are the last 3 days: 2026 281 1013.63 1014.25 -22.63 2026 282 1014.05 1012.90 -11.22 2026 283 1014.79 1012.05 -0.97 Now you (just like I originally did) might wonder if this streak is going to end today. It sure looks like it on the surface. But I did some analyses and have determined that’s unlikely. Why? I see Darwin likely rising ~0.5-0.75 mb today and little change with Tahiti. If those predictions verify pretty well, today’s SOI will drop ~3-6. And then looking further ahead after several more days of Tahiti remaining ~same, it will start falling soon after without rising back up to yesterday’s 1014.79 area for at the very least 10 days while Darwin rises a fair amount more without falling back down to yesterday’s 1012.05 area for at least 10 days. That means that I see a high likelihood of this -SOI streak reaching at least 80 days. At that point, I’d then have a decent feel for the chance of reaching at least 90. To put this into perspective: we just had a 91 day streak May-Aug, the 2nd longest on record back to 1992. The longest is 100 days (set in Jan-Apr ‘98). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternLI Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago 6 hours ago, GaWx said: Anthony, Thanks for posting the DT update. 1. We don’t even know what the QBO is doing anymore thanks to you know who. But, based on where it was early in 2026, there was very little chance that it would NOT be W based this winter. *Edited due to typo* 2. I think that the usefulness of Judah’s SAI is questionable. Fortunately there are still alternative ways to view how the QBO is doing. The FU Berlin site (which you and some others may remember) was one of the better datasets until those updates were discontinued. Thankfully the Karlsruhe Institute of Technology has taken that same dataset and decided to continue the updates to it from where they left off. The raw data is also available there in the same format the Berlin site used to use. Here's the link if anyone is interested: https://www.atmohub.kit.edu/english/807.php 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago October is continuing the seasonal model error for at least one month out. The seasonal models from early September had the typical -EPO October El Nino ridge near Alaska and NW Canada.This has been the seasonal model forecast error since May. The month to date has the 500mb ridge shifted further south over the CONUS with lower heights near Alaska. The next week will add to this pattern lowering heights more near Alaska and maintaining the CONUS ridge. This will be the furthest south ridge position for an El Nino October even when just using the 1972,1982,1997,2015, and 2023 super composite. Month to date Forecast through October 19th October forecast issued in early September October El Niño composite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
so_whats_happening Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 10 hours ago, Stormchaserchuck1 said: So high the color scale goes to white! +12C Again we are roughly about a month and a half earlier than in 1997/98 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted 35 minutes ago Share Posted 35 minutes ago Even though the CFS is currently too cool in Nino 1+2, the updated seasonal model update still has an east based El Niño lingering into next June with strong WWBs continuing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaWx Posted 35 minutes ago Share Posted 35 minutes ago 3 hours ago, EasternLI said: Fortunately there are still alternative ways to view how the QBO is doing. The FU Berlin site (which you and some others may remember) was one of the better datasets until those updates were discontinued. Thankfully the Karlsruhe Institute of Technology has taken that same dataset and decided to continue the updates to it from where they left off. The raw data is also available there in the same format the Berlin site used to use. Here's the link if anyone is interested: https://www.atmohub.kit.edu/english/807.php Thanks so much! We can see again! Per the graph you provided it is going about as expected at 30 mb. The table at the following link has the 30 mb QBO through when it stopped updating: https://psl.noaa.gov/data/correlation/qbo.data This data had left off with Feb ‘26, which was then the 10th month in a row of a 30 mb -QBO (E QBO) and was starting to rise: 2025 12.11 10.55 11.82 6.94 -4.59 -13.72 -19.99 -22.28 -24.26 -24.65 -25.35 -26.92 2026 -25.51 -23.13 Looking at the widely followed 30 mb level on your graph, the QBO had one more strong negative (strong E) in March followed by a sharp rise from April through Sep (not at all unexpected) to typical solid positive (W) territory. The graph, including when looking at past patterns and projecting ahead, confirms the earlier confident predictions of a positive (W) QBO at 30 mb this upcoming entire winter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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