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Central PA Winter 25/26 Discussion and Obs


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9 minutes ago, Storm Clouds said:

That cut off is BRUTAL Yikes…

I'm not sure I totally buy that, as there isnt a huge H parked above us to suppress wester qpf expansion, and yeah its a wound up beast, but I'd think a little better western qpf is possible as we close in.  I'd not think huge bump, but maybe a couple inches more than currently modeled.  

also looks like norlun feature is not as big a deal, and its just more of a classic shellackin. 

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Is there any chance things move even more west yet before Sunday? I hate when a big dog comes and Philly to NYC steals the thunder and gets crushed while we're out here looking at gradients and lesser amounts.

If we're going to get this, I want to be in the 20" plus area.

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6 minutes ago, Voyager said:

Is there any chance things move even more west yet before Sunday? I hate when a big dog comes and Philly to NYC steals the thunder and gets crushed while we're out here looking at gradients and lesser amounts.

If we're going to get this, I want to be in the 20" plus area.

 

I would just be happy where you are at lol.

Where I live, I hope it moves far enough west you get sleet and ZR.....:D

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13 minutes ago, str8liner said:

 

I would just be happy where you are at lol.

Where I live, I hope it moves far enough west you get sleet and ZR.....:D

I'm greedy...lol

In reality, I'm in the I don't want it, but if it has to happen, then I want the bullseye mindset.

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57 minutes ago, Voyager said:

Is there any chance things move even more west yet before Sunday? I hate when a big dog comes and Philly to NYC steals the thunder and gets crushed while we're out here looking at gradients and lesser amounts.

If we're going to get this, I want to be in the 20" plus area.

I hope we all the the most accumulation possible...then we can all move on to Spring 

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So I'm going to say this one time and one time only -

I love the trends. It's always a special thing when we get those situations when models move towards a favorable outcome and not the other way around. I'm genuinely getting excited...

To balance that though...I to this moment can't shake this nagging feeling of a last minute rug pull. Seen it happen a few times too many. You know, there was a discussion a couple hours ago regarding the sharp gradient. This is a hallmark for this pattern. And another hallmark is a sudden shift east at the very last minute. I follow a met that I respect a ton (NOT MU) and he said about an hour ago that he feels strongly that the gradient is going to end up even sharper than is what currently shown on guidance. I could see that playing out.

I honestly don't know what to think or expect. Literally nothing good or bad would surprise me. I think I needed to say this for my own sake more than anything.

Be prepared for something special, something heartbreaking or anything in-between. Don't discount that gradient. 

Moving on. :)

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So I'm going to say this one time and one time only -
I love the trends. It's always a special thing when we get those situations when models move towards a favorable outcome and not the other way around. I'm genuinely getting excited...
To balance that though...I to this moment can't shake this nagging feeling of a last minute rug pull. Seen it happen a few times too many. You know, there was a discussion a couple hours ago regarding the sharp gradient. This is a hallmark for this pattern. And another hallmark is a sudden shift east at the very last minute. I follow a met that I respect a ton (NOT MU) and he said about an hour ago that he feels strongly that the gradient is going to end up even sharper than is what currently shown on guidance. I could see that playing out.
I honestly don't know what to think or expect. Literally nothing good or bad would surprise me. I think I needed to say this for my own sake more than anything.
Be prepared for something special, something heartbreaking or anything in-between. Don't discount that gradient. 
Moving on.

Totally agree. My worries have been being caught in between the IVT and coastal. This could be a large area of subsidence.


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7 minutes ago, Itstrainingtime said:

So I'm going to say this one time and one time only -

I love the trends. It's always a special thing when we get those situations when models move towards a favorable outcome and not the other way around. I'm genuinely getting excited...

To balance that though...I to this moment can't shake this nagging feeling of a last minute rug pull. Seen it happen a few times too many. You know, there was a discussion a couple hours ago regarding the sharp gradient. This is a hallmark for this pattern. And another hallmark is a sudden shift east at the very last minute. I follow a met that I respect a ton (NOT MU) and he said about an hour ago that he feels strongly that the gradient is going to end up even sharper than is what currently shown on guidance. I could see that playing out.

I honestly don't know what to think or expect. Literally nothing good or bad would surprise me. I think I needed to say this for my own sake more than anything.

Be prepared for something special, something heartbreaking or anything in-between. Don't discount that gradient. 

Moving on. :)

It's a totally fair concern.  I would add that mixing issues through the first part of the storm have showed up on a number of models.  The surface temps are marginal and really don't crash until the coastal gets ramping, so the question becomes how much qpf do we lose on the front end to mix or an inability to efficiently accumulate on surfaces.  All valid concerns.  Bottom line, as you said, be prepared for anything.  Isn't that what makes this all fun anyway?  Cheers!

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