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June 2025 Obs/Disco


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4 minutes ago, kdxken said:

I'll hold you to it. 

Them too. 

"but the ensembles do
show probs of 0.5", the GEFS at 40-60%, ENS does not show this,
but has even lower probabilites of 0.1" at 20-40%, while the CMC
has 10-30% of 0.5" and +70% of 0.1". Something to watch, though
the better forcing does look to be in northern New England.
Don`t go canceling any outdoor events just yet

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Euro for 18z Saturday

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GFS ...

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We all know that the GFS is climatologically more sound than the Euro, particularly when considering the 24 to 36 hours prior to this 18z layout above.  Today's slab of Canadian polar air getting nice and jammed into the region does not typically displace by merely weak warm front momentum/kinematics - in acknowledgement of both theory and practic, the Euro is out to lunch. 

on the flip side ... The Euro is seldom wrong this close.  It's an interesting little test here. ..

 

 

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1 minute ago, Typhoon Tip said:

Euro for 18z Saturday

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GFS ...

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We all know that the GFS is climatologically more sound than the Euro, particularly when considering the 24 to 36 hours prior to this 18z layout above.  Today's slab of Canadian polar air getting nice and jammed into the region does not typically displace by merely weak warm front momentum/kinematics - in acknowledgement of both theory and practic, the Euro is out to lunch. 

on the flip side ... The Euro is seldom wrong this close.  

 

 

I'll toss the GFS, it's a POS. 

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16 minutes ago, CoastalWx said:

Skynet Euro looks like the op too. 

I have seen maybe 3 times spanning decades worth of years ...whence the warm solutions won out over BD air mass lay-ins, and they were all in the last 10 years.   I don't recall specific dates, but there was one where all the models even the day before, had moderately well defined BD boundary replete with the whole 2-meter large T correction punching SW clear to NYC by mid day.    3pm rolls around it was still 88 in Nashua NH.  I was looking at the satellite, and there was no impression that boundary even existed anyway but there was a drape mid way up the Maine shore. 

I think with models being much better, I have noticed that the improvement kind of makes them over-sensitive too?   - you know, 20 years ago, the models were never aggressive enough with these things.  Something like that.  I'm wondering if this one of those situations with the GFS just ending up too aggressive. 

See ...even a crushingly mundane weather synopsis, there's something to be excruciating about  hahaha

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1 minute ago, Typhoon Tip said:

I have seen maybe 3 times spanning decades worth of years ...whence the warm solutions won out over BD air mass lay-ins, and they were all in the last 10 years.   I don't recall specific dates, but there was one where all the models even the day before, had moderately well defined BD boundary replete with the whole 2-meter large T correction punching SW clear to NYC by mid day.    3pm rolls around at was still 88 in Nashua NH.  I was look at the satellite, and there was no impression that boundary even existed.    It was recently too - like in the last 10 years.

I think with models being much better, I have noticed that the improvement kind of makes them over-sensitive too?   - you know, 20 years ago, the models were never aggressive enough with these things.  Something like that.  I'm wondering if this one of those situations with the GFS just ending up too aggressive. 

See ...even a crushingly mundane weather synopsis, there's something to be excruciating about  hahaha

IMO Euro is usually better than the GFS for damming. I'm wondering if it's more synoptics  that's an issue. If I'm wrong so be it, but I feel like GFS is too far south. 

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13 minutes ago, CoastalWx said:

IMO Euro is usually better than the GFS for damming. I'm wondering if it's more synoptics  that's an issue. If I'm wrong so be it, but I feel like GFS is too far south. 

OH I'm on fence.  I'm just trying to objectively lay out the differences.  I did look at the 06z GFS and it trended N - that could be an early capitulation.  we'll see.   The NAM fwiw was Ner than it's previous 00z run...

 

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2 minutes ago, Typhoon Tip said:

OH I'm on fence.  I'm just trying to objectively lay out the differences.  I did look at the 06z GFS and it trended N - that could be an early capitulation.  we'll see.   The NAM fwiw was Ner than it's previous 00z run...

I hear ya. I’ve been disgusted with the gfs lately. It was so bad for last weekend into Monday. Even 48 hours out. 

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5 minutes ago, CoastalWx said:

I hear ya. I’ve been disgusted with the gfs lately. It was so bad for last weekend into Monday. Even 48 hours out. 

Ha...You gotta understand ... I grew up in the 1980s and 1990s modeling arrogance - which means ...I was left heartbroken more than not.  That steady abuse of being gaslit by model solutions convincing us of a reality that would only prove fantasy, turned me into an neg nazi when it comes to situations where in one hand, it's what I want, and in the other, it's the looming reality that god is an asshole.  There's not a lot of evidence defending the latter, so ...we pick the model solution that best aligns with that principle and we'll always score remarkably well.  LOL

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