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7 hours ago, donsutherland1 said:

New York City's Winter Futility Rankings (through January 25th):

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The 10 worst winters prior to 2023-2024 through January 25th saw the following seasonal outcomes:

Mean seasonal snowfall: 11.0"
Median seasonal snowfall: 12.1"
20" or more seasonal snowfall: 20%
<10" seasonal snowfall: 40% of
Highest seasonal snowfall: 22.9", 1971-1972
Lowest seasonal snowfall: 2.3", 2022-2023

Hi Don,

Looking at some of the worst 5 year runs in terms of snowfall to compare to the last 5 years INCLUDING THIS YEAR in an assumption that CPK is shut out, even if unlikely. I focused on 1928 through 1932 today. Interesting comparison:

1928 through 1932 avg - 11.76

2020 through 2024 avg - 13.18

1933 ended up with 27. Hopefully next year yields the same results.

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2 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

in a way tree growth is a really good thing, we need to greenify the city and get rid of this excess concrete (it's good to filter out air pollution too)

 

You are talking about 2 different things. Sure greening of cities is important for many different reasons. But temperatures aren’t measured directly under trees even at rural weather observing sites. Before the 1990s the weather instruments in Central Park were out in the open. Now they are under mature fully leafed out trees during the warm season. So this has created an artificial high temperature cooling. Had the site been properly maintained, it’s summer highs would be more in line with the surrounding stations like EWR and LGA which it was before the 90s. 

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17 minutes ago, bluewave said:

You are talking about 2 different things. Sure greening of cities is important for many different reasons. But temperatures aren’t measured directly under trees even at rural weather observing sites. Before the 1990s the weather instruments in Central Park were out in the open. Now they are under mature fully leafed out trees during the warm season. So this has created an artificial high temperature cooling. Had the site been properly maintained, it’s summer highs would be more in line with the surrounding stations like EWR and LGA which it was before the 90s. 

Yes, the temperature sensors should be properly located and I never understood why they were moved or whatever change that happened-- the only thing that makes sense is the article that was posted last year about them being worried about the equipment being stolen because it happened before.  Is it about proper maintenance or did they actually relocate the equipment to where they think it's less likely to be stolen?

And I wonder why maintenance would stop-- the Parks Service seems to be lax in its duties?

 

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25 minutes ago, EastonSN+ said:

Hi Don,

Looking at some of the worst 5 year runs in terms of snowfall to compare to the last 5 years INCLUDING THIS YEAR in an assumption that CPK is shut out, even if unlikely. I focused on 1928 through 1932 today. Interesting comparison:

1928 through 1932 avg - 11.76

2020 through 2024 avg - 13.18

1933 ended up with 27. Hopefully next year yields the same results.

how close were the late 80s/early 90s and late 90s/early 00s?

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25 minutes ago, EastonSN+ said:

Hi Don,

Looking at some of the worst 5 year runs in terms of snowfall to compare to the last 5 years INCLUDING THIS YEAR in an assumption that CPK is shut out, even if unlikely. I focused on 1928 through 1932 today. Interesting comparison:

1928 through 1932 avg - 11.76

2020 through 2024 avg - 13.18

1933 ended up with 27. Hopefully next year yields the same results.

next year being a la nina after an el nino is probably out best chance to crack the 30" snowfall mark

 

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44 and cloudy with light rain scattered.  All snow gone here, now time for the salt to wash away.  More clouds and then the Sun- mon storm looking mainly rain.  Colder open to Feb with trough into the Northeast and exiting storm pulling colder air in from the N-NE.  Overall warmer than  normal towards 2/4 onwards and perhaps a bit drier for a period.

 

https://cdn.star.nesdis.noaa.gov/GOES16/ABI/GIFS/GOES16-NE-GEOCOLOR-600x600.gif 

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Records:


Highs:

EWR: 74 (1950) Highest January recorded temperature
NYC: 72 (1950)
LGA: 72 (1950)

Lows:

EWR: 4 (1994)
NYC:  2 (1871)
LGA:  0 (1994)

 

Historical:

 

1700 - A powerful earthquake struck the Pacific Northwest along the Cascadia Subduction zone. The estimated moment magnitude of 8.7-9.2 caused about a 1,000-kilometer rupture from mid-Vancouver Island to northern California. The ocean floor heaved upward approximately 20 feet, and with 10-20 minutes, a giant wave, 30-40 feet high, reached the shore. The earthquake caused a tsunami, which struck the coast of Japan.

1772 - Possibly the greatest snowfall ever recorded in the Washington DC area started on this day. When the storm began, Thomas Jefferson was returning home from his honeymoon with his new bride, Martha Wayles Skelton. The newlyweds made it to within eight miles of Monticello before having to abandon their carriage in the deep snow. Both finished the ride on horseback in the blinding snow. The newlyweds arrived home late on the night of January 26th. In Jefferson's "Garden Book," he wrote, "the deepest snow we have ever seen. In Albermarle, it was about 3. F. deep."

https://www.masshist.org/thomasjeffersonpapers/doc?id=garden_8&mode=lgImg

 

1937: The wettest month ever in Cincinnati, Ohio, is January 1937, when 13.68 inches fell. Their average January amount is 3.00 inches of precipitation. The overabundance of precipitation over the Ohio River basin caused near-record to record flooding in Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, and Kentucky. On this day, the river gauge reached 80 feet in Cincinnati, the highest level in the city's history. The Ohio River reached 57 feet in Louisville, Kentucky, on the 27th, setting a new record by ten feet. Seventy percent of the city was underwater at that time. 

1978 - A paralyzing blizzard struck the Midwest. One to three feet of snow fell in Michigan, and 20 to 40 inches was reported across Indiana. Winds reached 70 mph in Michigan, and gusted above 100 mph in Ohio. The high winds produced snow drifts twenty feet high in Michigan and Indiana stranding thousands on the interstate highways. Temperatures in Ohio dropped from the 40s to near zero during the storm. (David Ludlum)

1983 - The California coast was battered by a storm which produced record high tides, thirty-two foot waves, and mudslides, causing millions of dollars damage. The storm then moved east and dumped four feet of snow on Lake Tahoe. (22nd-29th) (The Weather Channel)

1987 - A winter storm spread heavy snow across the Middle and Northern Atlantic Coast States, with 18 inches reported at Vineland NJ, and wind gusts to 65 mph at Chatham MA. Snow cover in Virginia ranged up to thirty inches following this second major storm in just one week. (National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

1988 - A snowstorm in the northeastern U.S. produced 19 inches at Austerlitz NY and Stillwater NY. A storm in the Great Lakes Region left 16.5 inches at Marquette MI, for a total of 43 inches in six days. (National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

1989 - Snow and high winds created blizzard-like conditions in northwestern Vermont. Winds at Saint Albins gusted to 88 mph. In Alaska, the town of Cold Foot (located north of Fairbanks) reported a morning low of 75 degrees below zero. (National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

1990 - A winter storm spread high winds from the northwestern U.S. to Wyoming and Colorado, with heavy snow in some of the high elevations. Stevens Pass WA received 17 inches of snow, half of which fell in four hours. In extreme northwest Wyoming, Togwotee Mountain Lodge received 24 inches of snow. Winds in Colorado gusted to 90 mph at Rollinsville. (National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

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25 minutes ago, psv88 said:

No sun tomorrow now. So no sun until Tuesday now. 
 

this has to be one of the cloudiest winters ever? @donsutherland1

Looks like the 3rd cloudiest January on record at ISP using the 9am observation time.

https://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/plotting/auto/?_wait=no&q=45&network=NY_ASOS&zstation=ISP&hour=9&year=2024&month=1&_r=t&dpi=100&_fmt=png



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1 minute ago, bluewave said:

Thank you. It has been a terrible 9 months for clouds/smoke sky. 

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26 minutes ago, SACRUS said:


Records:


Highs:

EWR: 74 (1950) Highest January recorded temperature
NYC: 72 (1950)
LGA: 72 (1950)

Lows:

EWR: 4 (1994)
NYC:  2 (1871)
LGA:  0 (1994)

 

Historical:

 

1700 - A powerful earthquake struck the Pacific Northwest along the Cascadia Subduction zone. The estimated moment magnitude of 8.7-9.2 caused about a 1,000-kilometer rupture from mid-Vancouver Island to northern California. The ocean floor heaved upward approximately 20 feet, and with 10-20 minutes, a giant wave, 30-40 feet high, reached the shore. The earthquake caused a tsunami, which struck the coast of Japan.

1772 - Possibly the greatest snowfall ever recorded in the Washington DC area started on this day. When the storm began, Thomas Jefferson was returning home from his honeymoon with his new bride, Martha Wayles Skelton. The newlyweds made it to within eight miles of Monticello before having to abandon their carriage in the deep snow. Both finished the ride on horseback in the blinding snow. The newlyweds arrived home late on the night of January 26th. In Jefferson's "Garden Book," he wrote, "the deepest snow we have ever seen. In Albermarle, it was about 3. F. deep."

https://www.masshist.org/thomasjeffersonpapers/doc?id=garden_8&mode=lgImg

 

1937: The wettest month ever in Cincinnati, Ohio, is January 1937, when 13.68 inches fell. Their average January amount is 3.00 inches of precipitation. The overabundance of precipitation over the Ohio River basin caused near-record to record flooding in Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, and Kentucky. On this day, the river gauge reached 80 feet in Cincinnati, the highest level in the city's history. The Ohio River reached 57 feet in Louisville, Kentucky, on the 27th, setting a new record by ten feet. Seventy percent of the city was underwater at that time. 

1978 - A paralyzing blizzard struck the Midwest. One to three feet of snow fell in Michigan, and 20 to 40 inches was reported across Indiana. Winds reached 70 mph in Michigan, and gusted above 100 mph in Ohio. The high winds produced snow drifts twenty feet high in Michigan and Indiana stranding thousands on the interstate highways. Temperatures in Ohio dropped from the 40s to near zero during the storm. (David Ludlum)

1983 - The California coast was battered by a storm which produced record high tides, thirty-two foot waves, and mudslides, causing millions of dollars damage. The storm then moved east and dumped four feet of snow on Lake Tahoe. (22nd-29th) (The Weather Channel)

1987 - A winter storm spread heavy snow across the Middle and Northern Atlantic Coast States, with 18 inches reported at Vineland NJ, and wind gusts to 65 mph at Chatham MA. Snow cover in Virginia ranged up to thirty inches following this second major storm in just one week. (National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

1988 - A snowstorm in the northeastern U.S. produced 19 inches at Austerlitz NY and Stillwater NY. A storm in the Great Lakes Region left 16.5 inches at Marquette MI, for a total of 43 inches in six days. (National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

1989 - Snow and high winds created blizzard-like conditions in northwestern Vermont. Winds at Saint Albins gusted to 88 mph. In Alaska, the town of Cold Foot (located north of Fairbanks) reported a morning low of 75 degrees below zero. (National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

1990 - A winter storm spread high winds from the northwestern U.S. to Wyoming and Colorado, with heavy snow in some of the high elevations. Stevens Pass WA received 17 inches of snow, half of which fell in four hours. In extreme northwest Wyoming, Togwotee Mountain Lodge received 24 inches of snow. Winds in Colorado gusted to 90 mph at Rollinsville. (National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

1987 - A winter storm spread heavy snow across the Middle and Northern Atlantic Coast States, with 18 inches reported at Vineland NJ, and wind gusts to 65 mph at Chatham MA. Snow cover in Virginia ranged up to thirty inches following this second major storm in just one week. (National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

 

This is wild-- how much snow up here in this?

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9 hours ago, donsutherland1 said:

New York City's Winter Futility Rankings (through January 25th):

image.png.e87cb3dbaf42e4d656702195e5b4e2ca.png

The 10 worst winters prior to 2023-2024 through January 25th saw the following seasonal outcomes:

Mean seasonal snowfall: 11.0"
Median seasonal snowfall: 12.1"
20" or more seasonal snowfall: 20%
<10" seasonal snowfall: 40%
Highest seasonal snowfall: 22.9", 1971-1972
Lowest seasonal snowfall: 2.3", 2022-2023

 

Don,

Just curious where the winter of 1972-1973 is on the list, especially seeing 1971-72 make the top ten. 

I think I read that Newark had less than 2" snow for the winter and was the only winter that PHL had no measurable snow recorded at all!

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30 minutes ago, SACRUS said:


Records:


Highs:

EWR: 74 (1950) Highest January recorded temperature
NYC: 72 (1950)
LGA: 72 (1950)

Lows:

EWR: 4 (1994)
NYC:  2 (1871)
LGA:  0 (1994)

 

Historical:

 

1700 - A powerful earthquake struck the Pacific Northwest along the Cascadia Subduction zone. The estimated moment magnitude of 8.7-9.2 caused about a 1,000-kilometer rupture from mid-Vancouver Island to northern California. The ocean floor heaved upward approximately 20 feet, and with 10-20 minutes, a giant wave, 30-40 feet high, reached the shore. The earthquake caused a tsunami, which struck the coast of Japan.

1772 - Possibly the greatest snowfall ever recorded in the Washington DC area started on this day. When the storm began, Thomas Jefferson was returning home from his honeymoon with his new bride, Martha Wayles Skelton. The newlyweds made it to within eight miles of Monticello before having to abandon their carriage in the deep snow. Both finished the ride on horseback in the blinding snow. The newlyweds arrived home late on the night of January 26th. In Jefferson's "Garden Book," he wrote, "the deepest snow we have ever seen. In Albermarle, it was about 3. F. deep."

https://www.masshist.org/thomasjeffersonpapers/doc?id=garden_8&mode=lgImg

 

1937: The wettest month ever in Cincinnati, Ohio, is January 1937, when 13.68 inches fell. Their average January amount is 3.00 inches of precipitation. The overabundance of precipitation over the Ohio River basin caused near-record to record flooding in Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, and Kentucky. On this day, the river gauge reached 80 feet in Cincinnati, the highest level in the city's history. The Ohio River reached 57 feet in Louisville, Kentucky, on the 27th, setting a new record by ten feet. Seventy percent of the city was underwater at that time. 

1978 - A paralyzing blizzard struck the Midwest. One to three feet of snow fell in Michigan, and 20 to 40 inches was reported across Indiana. Winds reached 70 mph in Michigan, and gusted above 100 mph in Ohio. The high winds produced snow drifts twenty feet high in Michigan and Indiana stranding thousands on the interstate highways. Temperatures in Ohio dropped from the 40s to near zero during the storm. (David Ludlum)

1983 - The California coast was battered by a storm which produced record high tides, thirty-two foot waves, and mudslides, causing millions of dollars damage. The storm then moved east and dumped four feet of snow on Lake Tahoe. (22nd-29th) (The Weather Channel)

1987 - A winter storm spread heavy snow across the Middle and Northern Atlantic Coast States, with 18 inches reported at Vineland NJ, and wind gusts to 65 mph at Chatham MA. Snow cover in Virginia ranged up to thirty inches following this second major storm in just one week. (National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

1988 - A snowstorm in the northeastern U.S. produced 19 inches at Austerlitz NY and Stillwater NY. A storm in the Great Lakes Region left 16.5 inches at Marquette MI, for a total of 43 inches in six days. (National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

1989 - Snow and high winds created blizzard-like conditions in northwestern Vermont. Winds at Saint Albins gusted to 88 mph. In Alaska, the town of Cold Foot (located north of Fairbanks) reported a morning low of 75 degrees below zero. (National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

1990 - A winter storm spread high winds from the northwestern U.S. to Wyoming and Colorado, with heavy snow in some of the high elevations. Stevens Pass WA received 17 inches of snow, half of which fell in four hours. In extreme northwest Wyoming, Togwotee Mountain Lodge received 24 inches of snow. Winds in Colorado gusted to 90 mph at Rollinsville. (National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

wow LGA was colder than NYC in 1994? that has to be a first (and last)

 

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9 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

1987 - A winter storm spread heavy snow across the Middle and Northern Atlantic Coast States, with 18 inches reported at Vineland NJ, and wind gusts to 65 mph at Chatham MA. Snow cover in Virginia ranged up to thirty inches following this second major storm in just one week. (National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

 

This is wild-- how much snow up here in this?

 

 

A compact coastal snowstorm, briefly heralded as the Blizzard of '87, brushed by the New York City region yesterday, but buffeted much of southern New Jersey and parts of the New England coast with high winds and heavy snows.

The storm, spawned by another snowstorm in the Great Lakes on Sunday in which two people died, started off Cape Hatteras, N.C., and raced along the coast, sparking a winter thunderstorm in Philadelphia and gale-force gusts from Cape May, N.J., to Cape Cod, Mass.

One to three inches of snow fell in most of New York City, Long Island, Connecticut, northern New Jersey and Westchester County, where one motorist was killed and five others were injured in a four-car accident that the police said may have been weather-related.

Eight to twelve inches of snow, however, fell in parts of southern New Jersey, which was buried under 12 to 18 inches on Jan. 26-28. ''It's a mess,'' said Claire Lindholm, a police dispatcher in Cape May, which received 10 inches of snow and opened its civic center as a winter shelter for the first time. ''But we are getting used to it.'' Storm Downgraded

 

https://www.nytimes.com/1987/02/10/nyregion/snowstorm-just-brushes-new-york.html

 

19870125-19870126-1.19.jpg

 

just a few days prior

 

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5 minutes ago, SACRUS said:

 

 

A compact coastal snowstorm, briefly heralded as the Blizzard of '87, brushed by the New York City region yesterday, but buffeted much of southern New Jersey and parts of the New England coast with high winds and heavy snows.

The storm, spawned by another snowstorm in the Great Lakes on Sunday in which two people died, started off Cape Hatteras, N.C., and raced along the coast, sparking a winter thunderstorm in Philadelphia and gale-force gusts from Cape May, N.J., to Cape Cod, Mass.

One to three inches of snow fell in most of New York City, Long Island, Connecticut, northern New Jersey and Westchester County, where one motorist was killed and five others were injured in a four-car accident that the police said may have been weather-related.

Eight to twelve inches of snow, however, fell in parts of southern New Jersey, which was buried under 12 to 18 inches on Jan. 26-28. ''It's a mess,'' said Claire Lindholm, a police dispatcher in Cape May, which received 10 inches of snow and opened its civic center as a winter shelter for the first time. ''But we are getting used to it.'' Storm Downgraded

 

https://www.nytimes.com/1987/02/10/nyregion/snowstorm-just-brushes-new-york.html

 

19870125-19870126-1.19.jpg

Thanks Tony-- looks like it was too far south and east for us though I do see a narrow stripe of 10"+ on the south fork of Long Island... it reminds me of Feb 6, 2010 however that storm did not make it up to eastern LI or Cape Cod and the Islands.

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7 minutes ago, SACRUS said:

 

 

A compact coastal snowstorm, briefly heralded as the Blizzard of '87, brushed by the New York City region yesterday, but buffeted much of southern New Jersey and parts of the New England coast with high winds and heavy snows.

The storm, spawned by another snowstorm in the Great Lakes on Sunday in which two people died, started off Cape Hatteras, N.C., and raced along the coast, sparking a winter thunderstorm in Philadelphia and gale-force gusts from Cape May, N.J., to Cape Cod, Mass.

One to three inches of snow fell in most of New York City, Long Island, Connecticut, northern New Jersey and Westchester County, where one motorist was killed and five others were injured in a four-car accident that the police said may have been weather-related.

Eight to twelve inches of snow, however, fell in parts of southern New Jersey, which was buried under 12 to 18 inches on Jan. 26-28. ''It's a mess,'' said Claire Lindholm, a police dispatcher in Cape May, which received 10 inches of snow and opened its civic center as a winter shelter for the first time. ''But we are getting used to it.'' Storm Downgraded

 

https://www.nytimes.com/1987/02/10/nyregion/snowstorm-just-brushes-new-york.html

 

19870125-19870126-1.19.jpg

 

just a few days prior

 

19870121-19870123-5.40.jpg

The forum would meltdown if that’s how we end February this season haha 

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17 minutes ago, SACRUS said:

 

 

A compact coastal snowstorm, briefly heralded as the Blizzard of '87, brushed by the New York City region yesterday, but buffeted much of southern New Jersey and parts of the New England coast with high winds and heavy snows.

The storm, spawned by another snowstorm in the Great Lakes on Sunday in which two people died, started off Cape Hatteras, N.C., and raced along the coast, sparking a winter thunderstorm in Philadelphia and gale-force gusts from Cape May, N.J., to Cape Cod, Mass.

One to three inches of snow fell in most of New York City, Long Island, Connecticut, northern New Jersey and Westchester County, where one motorist was killed and five others were injured in a four-car accident that the police said may have been weather-related.

Eight to twelve inches of snow, however, fell in parts of southern New Jersey, which was buried under 12 to 18 inches on Jan. 26-28. ''It's a mess,'' said Claire Lindholm, a police dispatcher in Cape May, which received 10 inches of snow and opened its civic center as a winter shelter for the first time. ''But we are getting used to it.'' Storm Downgraded

 

https://www.nytimes.com/1987/02/10/nyregion/snowstorm-just-brushes-new-york.html

 

19870125-19870126-1.19.jpg

 

just a few days prior

 

19870121-19870123-5.40.jpg

January 25, 1987 was when the Giants their first Super Bowl, and we went to a SB party in Brick. It started snowing during the game and continued all night. This was one of the only snowstorms that I can remember growing up in the 1980s. Great times!

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20 minutes ago, SACRUS said:

 

 

A compact coastal snowstorm, briefly heralded as the Blizzard of '87, brushed by the New York City region yesterday, but buffeted much of southern New Jersey and parts of the New England coast with high winds and heavy snows.

The storm, spawned by another snowstorm in the Great Lakes on Sunday in which two people died, started off Cape Hatteras, N.C., and raced along the coast, sparking a winter thunderstorm in Philadelphia and gale-force gusts from Cape May, N.J., to Cape Cod, Mass.

One to three inches of snow fell in most of New York City, Long Island, Connecticut, northern New Jersey and Westchester County, where one motorist was killed and five others were injured in a four-car accident that the police said may have been weather-related.

Eight to twelve inches of snow, however, fell in parts of southern New Jersey, which was buried under 12 to 18 inches on Jan. 26-28. ''It's a mess,'' said Claire Lindholm, a police dispatcher in Cape May, which received 10 inches of snow and opened its civic center as a winter shelter for the first time. ''But we are getting used to it.'' Storm Downgraded

 

https://www.nytimes.com/1987/02/10/nyregion/snowstorm-just-brushes-new-york.html

 

19870125-19870126-1.19.jpg

 

just a few days prior

 

19870121-19870123-5.40.jpg

The Jan 25/26 storm looks almost identical to the MA storm 2 years ago!

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40 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

Yeah but we got a foot of snow in the storm 2 years ago lol

This reminds me more of February 6, 2010

 

Your thinking of the 2021 storm.

The storm I am referring to missed us south. In fact it was south of DC. Hammered south and central Virginia through Norfolk and the Delmarva. 

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