Central PA - Spring 2021

[Bubbler86]

21 minutes ago, paweather said:

There is Bubbler stealing my snow again! G&D&mn.

This truly is your snow since you posted GFS panels showing this happening last week.  Trust me, sun angle is not an issue when it is 43 so its not accumulating.  LOL.  its just rain right now.  

[Itstrainingtime]

2 hours ago, Mount Joy Snowman said:

Yeah I'm seeing a number of 3-8" type reports across NY, VT, MA, etc.......looks like the Laurels also got a bit of snow, as the Seven Springs snow cams show a fresh light covering

Per the New England obs thread, a few are now reporting 10"+ and counting. 

Good for them.   

[paweather]

4 minutes ago, Itstrainingtime said:

Per the New England obs thread, a few are now reporting 10"+ and counting. 

Good for them.   

That's awesome! 

[Itstrainingtime]

Just now, paweather said:

That's awesome! 

Yep - I'm enjoying the pictures being posted very much...before I go out and mow my green grass.   

[paweather]

good to see ORH still going strong over there and others. I haven't been in that forum for a while. 

[Bubbler86]

If we do not get some serious sun we have no shot at the 50's over here today.  43 with a wind chiil of 34. 

[Superstorm]

Yep - I'm enjoying the pictures being posted very much...before I go out and mow my green grass.   

Pretty chilly for mowing.


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[Bubbler86]

6 minutes ago, Superstorm said:

Pretty chilly for mowing.


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Might need the starter fluid.  My mower would not start in the low 40's.

[paweather]

23 minutes ago, Superstorm said:

Pretty chilly for mowing.


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Calling the 2021 Halloween Snowstorm for you! 

[TimB84]

GFS really doubling down on its endless winter temps.

[sauss06]

2 hours ago, canderson said:

The wind says f you. 

you're not lying. Sun went in, wind blowing. Its friggin chilly

 

edit- i planned on mowing too, screw that!

[paweather]

4 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

GFS really doubling down on its endless winter temps.

Awesome still in play for a spring snowstorm!

[Bubbler86]

5 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

GFS really doubling down on its endless winter temps.

Multiple chances of flakes practically anywhere in PA on the gfs.  

[paweather]

Just now, Bubbler86 said:

Multiple chances of flakes practically anywhere in PA on the gfs.  

Mid and Late April will be Rockin. Keep the sweaters and sweatshirts out.  

[Voyager]

4 hours ago, sauss06 said:

dude, he will run out of air and have no brakes

Now THAT is flippin' funny!!! 

[Itstrainingtime]

2 hours ago, Superstorm said:

Pretty chilly for mowing.


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I just finished - I was one of at LEAST 4 in the neighborhood mowing at the same time. I was the only one in a tee shirt and shorts. 

[Itstrainingtime]

55 and partial sun here in the historic district. 

[Jns2183]

I recorded 1.24" Sunday but yes there were some extreme amounts in a very isolated area (see dot on the map below around the Boro).  Couldn't find anything on Weather Underground much above 3" but gauges are kind of sparse down that way.  I definitely believe them, have seen it many times.  Plus the cells sunday night were very small, huge differences over very short distances wouldn't be shocking.  Just wasn't widespread enough to get much coverage, unfortunately. 

I forget what site has radar archives but if you look at that night there was slow movement of storms in line at beginning and cells in Lancaster were developing ahead and merging in. Some areas seemed to have storms hitting at multiple directions at once. Once these mergers took place the line seemed to increase speed.


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[Jns2183]

Thanks for finding and posting that! I drove around the "Boro" yesterday (I grew up right outside of Washington Boro) and the evidence is there...still a lot of standing water on 441 between Columbia and WB, mud everywhere, and vegetation flattened. Also confirmed that the highest (6") amounts were centered right on 999 near the Tomato Barn. 
I'm hesitant to post info based on hearsay as I've been burned before, but as I said yesterday, the people who were talking to me know what they're talking about. Nice to have it confirmed! 

Was that same area that had those 10”+ rainfall amounts from storms that hit during the summer of record rain a few years ago?

It’s always interesting whenever you look at return time for events


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[Mount Joy Snowman]

2 hours ago, Jns2183 said:

Was that same area that had those 10”+ rainfall amounts from storms that hit during the summer of record rain a few years ago?

It’s always interesting whenever you look at return time for events


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Thinking you may be referring to August of 2018, which was my wettest month ever with 17.79 inches.  I had three separate daily rainfall totals of greater than 4" that month.  On August 31st I got 4.45" but just a couple miles to my north Mount Joy Borough got 8-10" in a 3-4 hour period that resulted in atrocious flash flooding.  It really caught everyone off guard as the storms just stalled out over that area.  I distinctly remember leaving the liquor store in downtown Mount Joy and thinking "oh shit I better get home quick", roads were already starting to flood, just barely got through in the nick of time.  Lots of people stranded that day.  What a summer that was.  July had a crazy event too where like 10" fell over a 4-5 day period and at one point Mount Joy was an island, cut off in nearly all directions due to Chiques Creek flooding.  My wife and I had to get to a Phillies game that day and were supposed to take the train from Mount Joy but couldn't get into town and had to rush to Lancaster train station instead.  Fun times. 

[losetoa6]

6 hours ago, paweather said:

Calling the 2021 Halloween Snowstorm for you! 

October 2011 was one of my all time  favorites . Super wet parachutes and super anomalous time of year .  About 5.5" here . I'll take another 

[Blizzard of 93]

6 minutes ago, losetoa6 said:

October 2011 was one of my all time  favorites . Super wet parachutes and super anomalous time of year .  About 5.5" here . I'll take another 

Check out the 12z Euro Control run.

How about the chance of of late April snow?!

 

[Bubbler86]

Just now, Blizzard of 93 said:

Check out the 12z Euro Control run.

How about the chance of of late April snow?!

 

 

 

Nips Baltimore, nice.  

[losetoa6]

16 minutes ago, Bubbler86 said:

Nips Baltimore, nice.  

The funny thing about last May's snow showers was at about 2 to 3 days out it was ultra close to the incredible perfect setup that would of given several inches of snow to the M/D line and it trended just a bit north if I remember correctly( ask PSU Hoffman) Especially with that leftover PV lobe that rotated down . As far as April.  1983 was big for the northeast,  1996 , most recently 2014 where Carroll county received 2-6".  2012 was a sw Pa - Western Md crusher.  I chased that one 

[Bubbler86]

11 hours ago, losetoa6 said:

The funny thing about last May's snow showers was at about 2 to 3 days out it was ultra close to the incredible perfect setup that would of given several inches of snow to the M/D line and it trended just a bit north if I remember correctly( ask PSU Hoffman) Especially with that leftover PV lobe that rotated down . As far as April.  1983 was big for the northeast,  1996 , most recently 2014 where Carroll county received 2-6".  2012 was a sw Pa - Western Md crusher.  I chased that one 

Sounds like a Chattanooga Choo Choo. 

[Itstrainingtime]

19 hours ago, Jns2183 said:

Was that same area that had those 10”+ rainfall amounts from storms that hit during the summer of record rain a few years ago?

It’s always interesting whenever you look at return time for events


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16 hours ago, Mount Joy Snowman said:

Thinking you may be referring to August of 2018, which was my wettest month ever with 17.79 inches.  I had three separate daily rainfall totals of greater than 4" that month.  On August 31st I got 4.45" but just a couple miles to my north Mount Joy Borough got 8-10" in a 3-4 hour period that resulted in atrocious flash flooding.  It really caught everyone off guard as the storms just stalled out over that area.  I distinctly remember leaving the liquor store in downtown Mount Joy and thinking "oh shit I better get home quick", roads were already starting to flood, just barely got through in the nick of time.  Lots of people stranded that day.  What a summer that was.  July had a crazy event too where like 10" fell over a 4-5 day period and at one point Mount Joy was an island, cut off in nearly all directions due to Chiques Creek flooding.  My wife and I had to get to a Phillies game that day and were supposed to take the train from Mount Joy but couldn't get into town and had to rush to Lancaster train station instead.  Fun times. 

I was at Hersheypark that day. There was hours of continuous, distant thunder but it never rained. Around 2:30 our son texted me and said how horrible things were in Mount Joy, where he worked at the time. He screenshot an image of my weather station showing 6.11" at home, but the Mt. Joy- Manheim corridor had between 8-11" of rain. 

@Jns2183 this would be roughly 10-12 miles from Sunday night's event.

[Jns2183]

I was at Hersheypark that day. There was hours of continuous, distant thunder but it never rained. Around 2:30 our son texted me and said how horrible things were in Mount Joy, where he worked at the time. He screenshot an image of my weather station showing 6.11" at home, but the Mt. Joy- Manheim corridor had between 8-11" of rain. 
[mention=4667]Jns2183[/mention] this would be roughly 10-12 miles from Sunday night's event.

One reason I brought it up was due to a discovery I made while looking at the historical precipitation data for Harrisburg. For a good number of years the station was located at capital city airport before its move to HIA in I think 1991. Capital city had like a year of no data before it started reporting once more. Straight line the 2 stations are no more than 3 or 4 miles from each other. Despite this proximity capital city had a precipitation total that was less than HIA 29/30 years and I believe it was around 10%. Even when I broke up year into quarters this effect was constant throughout. I’ll have to dig up all the research I did but I came away convinced this was not just random, not instrument or human error, that it clearly involved some microclimate effect. The only one that sense was capital city proximity to some of larger hills like in northern York county. It just shocked me that the effect was that large.


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[Bubbler86]

Team Spring Fling was sweating this next frame out.  A little more marriage and less separation  and who knows....

 

 

[Jns2183]

Man, the last few springs have spoiled people. I’ve spoke with so many who legit think it should be in the 70s as highs


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[Bubbler86]

23 minutes ago, Jns2183 said:

Man, the last few springs have spoiled people. I’ve spoke with so many who legit think it should be in the 70s as highs


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Yep.  People complaining and acting like normal temps are a major inconvenience.