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13 minutes ago, fujiwara79 said:

about turning off cable news?  yes, turn them off.  you are outraged because they want you to be outraged.

Oddly enough, this is a very true statement regarding alot of things that are going on with our country.  The msm creates and fuels the outrage.

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9 minutes ago, dta1984 said:

Oddly enough, this is a very true statement regarding alot of things that are going on with our country.  The msm creates and fuels the outrage.

if you include fox news, new york post, oann and newsmax as part of the 'msm', i would totally agree.  it's not just cnn and msnbc, dude.  turn it all off.

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Just like America writ large, there's a divide in here between people who think Fauci is a clown and those who think he's beyond reproach. A clown he is not, but his mixed messaging lately plain and simple is not helpful in our country's efforts to convince vaccine holdouts to get the shots. That's how this has to be seen. There's not nearly enough focus on how remarkable the vaccines are. All people who have had the ability to get the vaccine but have chosen not to thus far are hearing from health experts and politicians is that fully vaccinated people have to be just as cautious as unvaccinated people. They need to do a better job incentivizing.fceebd0573a143694a898d07213382b6.jpg

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16 minutes ago, RCNYILWX said:

Just like America writ large, there's a divide in here between people who think Fauci is a clown and those who think he's beyond reproach. A clown he is not, but his mixed messaging lately plain and simple is not helpful in our country's efforts to convince vaccine holdouts to get the shots. That's how this has to be seen. There's not nearly enough focus on how remarkable the vaccines are. All people who have had the ability to get the vaccine but have chosen not to thus far are hearing from health experts and politicians is that fully vaccinated people have to be just as cautious as unvaccinated people. They need to do a better job incentivizing.

Most scientists make lousy science communicators. Fauci toiled away behind the scenes for decades and then suddenly got thrust into the position of the international face of the pandemic response. It's really an unenviable situation. Put Bill Nye or someone on the TV to hype up the vaccines, and let the good doctor return to his wheelhouse.

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7 hours ago, Juliancolton said:

Most scientists make lousy science communicators. Fauci toiled away behind the scenes for decades and then suddenly got thrust into the position of the international face of the pandemic response. It's really an unenviable situation. Put Bill Nye or someone on the TV to hype up the vaccines, and let the good doctor return to his wheelhouse.

I know it’s just an example, but imagine how well that would go over with the segment of the population that disparages Bill Nye for not being a “real scientist” but has no problem with Dr. Phil, Dr. Oz, or Dr. Seuss.

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14 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

I know it’s just an example, but imagine how well that would go over with the segment of the population that disparages Bill Nye for not being a “real scientist” but has no problem with Dr. Phil, Dr. Oz, or Dr. Seuss.

Just stop making scientists the mouthpiece for policy and problem is solved. (No, i'm not saying scientists shouldn't be responsible for helping advise and direct policy).

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25 minutes ago, MJO812 said:

 

Interestingly it’s because of 6 cases of blood clots out of 7 million doses so far.  All adult age groups have a higher chance of dying from covid than getting a blood clot from that vaccine 

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11 hours ago, Malacka11 said:

P.S. a quick quote from Fauci himself in response to the jack-offs that say his opinions "change" too much. 

"If you change with the data," he said, "you’re not flip flopping."

What a bunch of goobers the anti-Fauci crew is. Seriously. Maybe not every Harvard grad is a great person, but you don't become the chief medical advisor of the last six presidents by accident. 

He may be just fine at his job, but he is not fine at being the front and center guy for a pandemic.  Mixed messages = distrust whether you or I like it or not.  

Just because someone is in the position they are in, does not always mean they are qualified for said position. Look around goober. 

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1 minute ago, dta1984 said:

He may be just fine at his job, but he is not fine at being the front and center guy for a pandemic.  Mixed messages = distrust whether you or I like it or not.  

Just because someone is in the position they are in, does not always mean they are qualified for said position. Look around  Goober. 

Oh, we know.

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12 minutes ago, madwx said:

Interestingly it’s because of 6 cases of blood clots out of 7 million doses so far.  All adult age groups have a higher chance of dying from covid than getting a blood clot from that vaccine 

This is going to make more people not wanting to get any vaccine and halt the opening process.

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16 minutes ago, madwx said:

Interestingly it’s because of 6 cases of blood clots out of 7 million doses so far.  All adult age groups have a higher chance of dying from covid than getting a blood clot from that vaccine 

Bad news indeed when a vaccine can be pulled because 0.0000009% of people had a side effect that, from what I can tell, didn’t kill them (I would assume if they died it would be in the article).

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3 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

Bad news indeed when a vaccine can be pulled because 0.0000009% of people had a side effect that, from what I can tell, didn’t kill them (I would assume if they died it would be in the article).

I believe one has died and another is still hospitalized. I don’t know the exact figure, but my understanding is that if you narrow it down to just the impacted group (women 18-48), the prevalence is of course much higher although still very rare. Sucks all around though.

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5 minutes ago, MJO812 said:

Anti vaxxers are out in full force already

You should be careful with any of the vaccines because they aren't FDA approved. They are only approved for emergency use.

Lots of things are not FDA approved. I'm drinking my Bang energy drink this morning which is not and then preworkout isn't either. Preworkout messed me up back in January, I'll never take again. 

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7 minutes ago, MJO812 said:

Anti vaxxers are out in full force already

You should be careful with any of the vaccines because they aren't FDA approved. They are only approved for emergency use.

Though it does sound like the Pfizer is close to full approval and they are now seeking approval for 12-15 year olds. (This is good news for the “we need schools open as soon as humanly possible” crowd.)

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The entire world should stick to the mRNA vaccines. It seems injecting even a small dead portion of the Covid-19 virus can mess you up. But still 1 out of 7 million people is extremely rare. The odds are probably the same for ibuprofen or Tylenol. Stage 3 trials used 50,000 people, so the sample size has increased and that is probably why they weren't able to find a 1 in 2 million side effect. 

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Michigan is now at peak hospitalizations (and has over 10% of all those hospitalized in the U.S.). Only positive thing is average age of those hospitalized is much younger, which means higher survival rate. 21-day time lagged CFR is also down to ~1.2%, compared to ~1.6% in December. Comparing the peak mortality of this wave versus the last will be a real world test of impact of the vaccines.

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12 hours ago, mattb65 said:

tHiS iS mIsInFoRmaTiOn11!!!11!

Posting a graph for others to interpret the data themselves is one thing.

Editorializing the numbers on a graph with conclusions not based on scientific evidence, such as...

"Once 60 - 70% of people are vaccinated, we'll reach herd immunity" 

or 

"80% of people are vaccinated." 

or 

"We'll be at herd immunty by the end of May."

...is misinformation, which is what several people were doing.

There's a difference. But nice try though. 

 

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1 hour ago, BuffaloWeather said:

Lots of things are not FDA approved. I'm drinking my Bang energy drink this morning which is not and then preworkout isn't either. Preworkout messed me up back in January, I'll never take again. 

This wouldn't have been found if it were fully approved anyway. This is a rare side effect that you wouldn't expect to find in a 30,000 person trial.

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1 hour ago, BuffaloWeather said:

The entire world should stick to the mRNA vaccines. It seems injecting even a small dead portion of the Covid-19 virus can mess you up. But still 1 out of 7 million people is extremely rare. The odds are probably the same for ibuprofen or Tylenol. Stage 3 trials used 50,000 people, so the sample size has increased and that is probably why they weren't able to find a 1 in 2 million side effect. 

Even though it's extremely rare, you can understand why extremely healthy young people might not want to take the J & J vaccine now. If you statistically have an extremely low risk of dying from Covid (like is the case for the very healthy young), it's understandable that some healthy young people would not want to take any chance at all with a blood clot risk with a vaccine since they're already at very low Covid risk. Any blood clot risk at all for completely healthy people is unacceptable. Of course the good news is people can take the other 2 vaccines, but this is definitely a blow to vaccination efforts. A lot of young people found the J & J vaccine more appealing due to only 1 shot and less flu-like side effects. This could hurt the effort of trying to get to herd immunity.

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2 minutes ago, winterwx21 said:

Even though it's extremely rare, you can understand why extremely healthy young people might not want to take the J & J vaccine now. If you statistically have an extremely low risk of dying from Covid (like is the case for the very healthy young), it's understandable that some healthy young people would not want to take any chance at all with a blood clot risk with a vaccine since they're already at very low Covid risk. Any blood clot risk at all for completely healthy people is unacceptable. Of course the good news is people can take the other 2 vaccines, but this is definitely a blow to vaccination efforts. A lot of young people found the J & J vaccine more appealing due to only 1 shot and less flu-like side effects. This could hurt the effort of trying to get to herd immunity.

I’m not an infectious disease specialist, but I would think the mortality rate for covid among “extremely healthy” people is greater than 1 in 6.8 million, which seems to be the mortality rate for the J&J vaccine (at least with respect to blood clots).

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4 minutes ago, winterwx21 said:

Even though it's extremely rare, you can understand why extremely healthy young people might not want to take the J & J vaccine now. If you statistically have an extremely low risk of dying from Covid (like is the case for the very healthy young), it's understandable that some healthy young people would not want to take any chance at all with a blood clot risk with a vaccine since they're already at very low Covid risk. Any blood clot risk at all for completely healthy people is unacceptable. Of course the good news is people can take the other 2 vaccines, but this is definitely a blow to vaccination efforts. A lot of young people found the J & J vaccine more appealing due to only 1 shot and less flu-like side effects. This could hurt the effort of trying to get to herd immunity.

I could understand the thinking, but it's still misguided at the reported level. The risk is far greater of severe effects/dying of covid in a younger individual than a blood clot from this vaccine. 

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3 minutes ago, WaryWarren said:

Nothing good ever comes out of South Dacovid. Such a cursed place and that's what you get for building Mt. Rushmore on sacred Indigenous land you goobers.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/minnesota-traces-covid-19-in-nine-counties-to-sioux-falls-south-dakota-wrestling-tournament

I’ve always been of the opinion that we don’t need two Dakotas, but lately I’ve been of the opinion that we don’t even need one Dakota.

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7 minutes ago, OSUmetstud said:

I could understand the thinking, but it's still misguided at the reported level. The risk is far greater of severe effects/dying of covid in a younger individual than a blood clot from this vaccine. 

The odds of being struck by lightning are 1 in 500,000. You're 12 times more likely to be struck by lightning then to get a blood clot from j&j vaccine. 

https://www.cdc.gov/disasters/lightning/victimdata.html#:~:text=Lightning is one of the,only around 1 in 500%2C000.

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6 minutes ago, OSUmetstud said:

I could understand the thinking, but it's still misguided at the reported level. The risk is far greater of severe effects/dying of covid in a younger individual than a blood clot from this vaccine. 

That's true, but as you said you can understand the thinking. The chance of a very healthy young person dying from Covid is comparable to the risk of dying in a car accident. The risk is so incredibly low that it's not something you worry about. To me dying from a vaccine that you don't even need is the worst kind of tragedy. Even 1 death like that is completely unacceptable to me. I would rather keep myself in top shape through exercise and diet and rely on my own good health to protect me from severe Covid than take a vaccine that has even the tiniest blood clot risk. Of course that's just my opinion and it's fine if others feel differently. Again the good news is the other 2 vaccines don't seem to bring that risk. There is more of a risk of severe allergic reactions with those vaccines, but you can have them watch you for 30 minutes and they can inject you to save you if you have the rare allergic reaction.

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16 minutes ago, winterwx21 said:

That's true, but as you said you can understand the thinking. The chance of a very healthy young person dying from Covid is comparable to the risk of dying in a car accident. The risk is so incredibly low that it's not something you worry about. To me dying from a vaccine that you don't even need is the worst kind of tragedy. Even 1 death like that is completely unacceptable to me. I would rather keep myself in top shape through exercise and diet and rely on my own good health to protect me from severe Covid than take a vaccine that has even the tiniest blood clot risk. Of course that's just my opinion and it's fine if others feel differently. Again the good news is the other 2 vaccines don't seem to bring that risk. There is more of a risk of severe allergic reactions with those vaccines, but you can have them watch you for 30 minutes and they can inject you to save you if you have the rare allergic reaction.

I dont really see it that way. There was a single person that was reported to die out of nearly 7 million people. If you didn't do things that carry that type of risk you never do anything...

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