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Just now, Malacka11 said:

This is where population density also plays a roll. Just saying.

I think a good deal of the worst spread is now in rural areas actually. The virus took awhile to spread from the cities to the burbs to the rural areas. 

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Just now, Malacka11 said:

This is where population density also plays a roll. Just saying.

Yeah Dallas and Houston and OKC barely have any people.

 

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Just now, OSUmetstud said:

I think a good deal of the worst spread is now in rural areas actually. The virus took awhile to spread from the cities to the burbs to the rural areas. 

That's sort of what I meant, you just wrote it way better. I think it's bogus to compare cali to most other areas simply due to population density. On paper, states with big cities are simply at a huge disadvantage. 

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Just now, schoeppeya said:

Yeah Dallas and Houston and OKC barely have any people.

 

LA county alone has easily over double the population of both Houston and Dallas combined. 

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Just now, Malacka11 said:

That's sort of what I meant, you just wrote it way better. I think it's bogus to compare cali to most other areas simply due to population density. On paper, states with big cities are simply at a huge disadvantage. 

In pure numbers I agree. But if you adjust per capita you can see the worst areas currently are places like North and South Dakota which are decidedly rural. 

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Just now, OSUmetstud said:

In pure numbers I agree. But if you adjust per capita you can see the worst areas currently are places like North and South Dakota which are decidedly rural. 

For sure. Which is why it's funny when people try to say that urban areas are worse because they're numbers are higher, because as always, it's the percent that counts. 

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2 minutes ago, Malacka11 said:

LA county alone has easily over double the population of both Houston and Dallas combined. 

Population density for Harris Country and Dallas County are almost identical to LA County.

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This thread has gone off the rails, there no real point in arguing about the failed federal response, at least there was finally some communication from the CDC and task force. It's baby steps in the right direction. Also people resoundingly rejected Trump and hopefully the political transition will start soon. Battling the partisan battles on here just leads to name calling and people turning against each other.

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Honestly, the federal government is terrible managing things.  The country is larger than Germany, United Kingdom, France, Italy, & Spain combined.  A federal response to anything gets bogged down is bureaucracy.  No, I am not giving Trump and his administration a pass.  I also am not giving a pass to Pelosi, Schumer and their party either.  They are all responsible for making the virus and response political (like just about everything else).

While I believe the federal government should be working and supporting the larger picture such as encouraging and funding a vaccine and the larger infrastructure to deliver it.  Even as the pandemic is seeing all time highs, the decisions on handling things are better done at the state or local level in most instances.  Yes, cooperation and coordination between them needs to happen but a federal mandate isn’t the answer.

I also am supportive of a targeted stimulus package but the personal fluff needs to be removed.  Target people who need the help in a way that does them good and allow more local control over the stimulus.  I for example didn’t need a check and don’t need another.  I have continued to work every day since this started and have gotten paid and have banked more than enough savings should any unpaid time off occur.  (I did lose out on my side hustle income but that was always just gravy and fun money and it will come back.)

There will always be users who don’t comply with mandates or recommendations for COVID spread.  There also have been people who drive drunk and those who commit violent crimes which put our lives at risk.  It seems like a poor comparison but it is not.

The truth is you really need to ask yourself what did people doing who are getting infected?  Discounting those who are captive in nursing home or long-term care or are front line in health care, how are people becoming infected? 

I work in K-12 education and we opened our doors on time in August.  We are almost 40% complete with our school year of 180 days of required instruction.  We have more than 2,000 students and staff across 4 schools.  As of today, we have had 14 students and 11 staff members test positive.  More than half of those can be easily traced to social gathering more than recommended at an event.  We have played sports and had marching band exhibitions and many other activities. 

I know on the other hand I have avoided large gatherings and visiting other people’s homes.  However, I have eaten out, met friends for a bourbon brunch outdoors, and worn my mask.  I go to the store and try to go on an off hour and with purpose.  I’ve been tested twice for COVID.  Once was before I did a sleep study and once before school started when we were asked to voluntarily do it.  I also tested for antibodies at that time.  I was negative every time. 

I have run into non-mask wearers and those who come to the store with a full family and kids touching every damn thing they can.  Again, I smartly buy my items and get in and out without fussing about it.  I don’t waste my time trying to convince others about wearing masks and doing the right thing. They won’t. 

I’ll come to talking about the federal government and those who armchair quarterback the response.  Monday morning quarterbacking is easy.  We all do it.  I think so many people underestimate the complexities of the COVID pandemic and only look one aspect and (mostly) ignore the others.  Science, economic, societal and just a few and each one of those have an almost infinite amount of sub aspects to consider.  Anyone thinking there is a simple and singular response that Trump (or anyone) should have provided is not seeing the whole picture.  It’s just too complex and people, even those who go along or make the rules have free will and will do what they want in certain circumstances.  It is like me deciding to eat out when I could cook at home or sitting with coworkers at lunch in our designated lunch area.  We still do it almost every day. 

I don’t usually post this much even when it is about weather-related topics. I think everyone needs to step back and consider the larger picture and that no argument here will settle anything or change anyone’s opinion.  If you are concerned someone lurking and reading is getting misinformation, this is not the place for information about COVID.  It is a forum of weather enthusiasts of varying skills and a few professional.  If they don’t know the different, they education and life experiences have failed them. 

I probably rambled here and there and likely everywhere.  My apologies for that and grammar and typos.  Happy Friday and I hope everyone a safe and happy holiday season.

 

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The Federal Government is bad at managing things???? lol, without the Federal Government, the capitalist system would have liquidated to nothing in 2008. Here is a better hint: its a pandemic, no matter the low grade. You have to socially distance/wear a mask in crowded areas. If you don't it spreads.

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1 minute ago, StormfanaticInd said:

Its conceivable by the time the general public can get vaccination (2nd or 3rd quarter of next year)this virus will have mutated. Hopefully that doesn't happen but just a thought 

More likely cases will collapse in the later winter and make vaccines less useful as well.

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10 minutes ago, schoeppeya said:

You must have missed the protests followed by the election celebrations.

Well, those people at least were mostly masked. How about the Trump fans maskless event????

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