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12 minutes ago, rochesterdave said:

GEM and GFS remain good hits. All the big models did better on the last one with positioning. No? 
Curious to see the Euro. As always. 

Yeah I'm kinda surprised you guys are putting more stock in the lower end models to why QPF is lower. GFS still spits out almost 6" at KBUF and I'm not sure that's the second part later Thursday into Friday were ratios will be 15 or 20 to 1. I'm still thinking when is said and done between both parts a solid 7 to 10 inches from southern Erie north to Lake Ontario eastward.

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Looks ok for 3-6" areawide, to my eye.  Temps a bit marginal but should keep taint amd rain south of the border for the most part. Haven't looked at soundings and its early/mid Feb so I can't imagine the sun angle excuse is in play yet for lowering snow accumulations. Maybe lower impact on roads at 32F...but that is more a function of the 5x10^6 tons of salt spewed on them per linear mile in upstate NY. It's free right? ;)

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I gotta to admit though, the salt they spew on the roads all across CNY but specifically the city and the burbs, if ya wanna call them burbs, is absolutely atrocious, like you'd think we've received 400" thus far.  I've actually thought I hit road bumps in some neighborhoods that were salt piles, RLMAO, I mean it's f'in nuts and if no one understands what I'm talking about just head to the Salt City, Syracuse's nickname, lol!!

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I haven't even looked at the models regarding this upcoming event yet, lol, cause with all the previous disappointments of the season, I find it hard to follow every run just to see the same prognosis day after day so now I wait till we're 1-2 days out and if its still a threat then I become a little more invested and I'm really not yet invested in this event but I am interested about the LE potential afterwards and it won't be a wickedly dry airmass like the last was so thats gonna help and with the temps forecasted, we can see some nice surprises anywhere in CNY. Its one of those airmass's that any or every cloud that passes overhead will contain snow, lol!

If we can manage to see 4-6" before the LE, I'll be :thumbsup:

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KBUF doesn't sound so bad!

Area Forecast Discussion
National Weather Service Buffalo NY
1259 PM EST Tue Feb 11 2020

.SYNOPSIS...
The passage of a weak cold front will initiate some lake effect snow
showers east of both lakes tonight...otherwise an increasing amount
of attention will turn towards a plowable snowfall that will be
experienced across the bulk of the region Wednesday night into
Thursday. This will be followed by the coldest airmass so far this
season to end the work week.

&&

.NEAR TERM /THROUGH WEDNESDAY/...
A weak cold front over southern Ontario late this afternoon will
push across our forecast area this evening. While a vigorous
shortwave associated with this boundary will help to generate
scattered snow showers for some areas this evening...a lack of deep
moisture will limit the coverage to areas closer to the lakes. This
will especially be the case along the Chautauqua ridge and east of
Lake Ontario where a short lived lake response will support nuisance
accumulations of an inch or two...with up to three inches possible
on the Tug.

By daybreak Wednesday...warm advection will already be under way.
This will shut down the response of Lake Erie by sunrise...while the
residual lake snow showers near the Tug Hill will push north across
Jefferson county while weakening to just flurries. Otherwise...a
large surface high moving from the Upper Ohio Valley across the Mid
Atlantic states will support fair dry weather while also encouraging
at least partial clearing.

&&

.SHORT TERM /WEDNESDAY NIGHT THROUGH FRIDAY NIGHT/...
Water vapor imagery displays a cut-off low pressure along the
AZ/Mexico border and this feature will advance northeastward...
eventually joining with a northern branch shortwave to form a
deep positively tilted trough that will pass across our region
to start this forecast period. The 12Z suite of models remain
in good agreement at this stage, with both the passage of the
upper level trough as well as the track of the surface low...
with this surface low tracking from western TN Wednesday night
to central PA Thursday morning and then off the northern New
England coastline Thursday afternoon.

To start Wednesday evening...our region will be dry, with point
soundings displaying a dry wedge between 925-850 hPa. A
southerly flow ahead of this upper level trough will be
transporting moisture northward, with isentropic lift generating
light snow across our region Wednesday evening as the lower
levels saturate. Additionally a strong 220 knot 300 hPa jet will
be generally W-E across the Upper Great Lakes and southern
Canada this period, with the favorable right entrance region
across our area Wednesday night and into Thursday. This jet will
further increase the synoptic lift for precipitation.

As the surface low tracks northeastward Wednesday night a baroclinic
boundary will tighten over our region, with a warmer wedge of air
across the Southern Tier, and towards the Finger Lakes. Along and to
the south of this baroclinic boundary a wintry mix of sleet/freezing
rain will be possible...that could even change to plain rain late
Wednesday night near the state line. Across the northern 2/3rds of
the CWA snow will be the dominate p-type...with just a small chance
of sleet/freezing rain late Wednesday night across WNY.

As the surface low tracks to our east Thursday a much colder airmass
will settle across our region, with precipitation becoming all snow
by early Thursday afternoon. Moderate snow will be likely just to
the northwest of the surface low...with this occurring late
Wednesday night and into Thursday morning over parts of our region.
Additionally 850 hPa frontogentic forcing will be increasing across
WNY...leading to enhanced snowfall rates. Given the positive tilt to
the upper level trough, speed of the surface low and lack of deep
moisture in the dendritic snow growth zone, overall snow totals will
generally be held to within the high advisory range. We will
continue to mention this snow threat in the HWO.

Thursday night a much colder airmass will settle across our region,
with 850 hPa temperatures falling into the negative teens...to lower
negative 20s Celsius across Lake Ontario and points eastward. This
will generate a much higher SWE, with fluffy lake effect snow
falling to the south and southeast of the Lakes. This activity will
likely peak Friday afternoon...when inversion heights are at their
peak and a very cold airmass creates steep instability over the
still wide open lakes.

Later Friday afternoon, a much drier airmass coinciding with the 850
hPa ridge axis will end much of the lake snows east of Lake Erie
Friday evening. As winds become light over the region Friday night
what lake snows are left south and southeast of Lake Ontario will
contract back towards the Lake, with a tea kettle band of snow then
drifting out over Lake Ontario as synoptic flow becomes light from
the south.

T

I still don't know about the pos tilt cause I haven't looked yet but I will very shortly!

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11 minutes ago, CNY-LES FREAK said:

I haven't even looked at the models regarding this upcoming event yet, lol, cause with all the previous disappointments of the season, I find it hard to follow every run just to see the same prognosis day after day so now I wait till we're 1-2 days out and if its still a threat then I become a little more invested and I'm really not yet invested in this event but I am interested about the LE potential afterwards and it won't be a wickedly dry airmass like the last was so thats gonna help and with the temps forecasted, we can see some nice surprises anywhere in CNY. Its one of those airmass's that any or every cloud that passes overhead will contain snow, lol!

If we can manage to see 4-6" before the LE, I'll be :thumbsup:

I have stepped back from looking at the models run to run as well. Too tiring.

I did read one of the NWS discussions yesterday that said they were only expecting 1 to 2 INCHES of lake effect on Friday because of flake size. They said it would be a "greasy snow" so not sure how impressive it will be?

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...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IN EFFECT FROM 7 PM WEDNESDAY TO NOON
EST THURSDAY...

* WHAT...Snow expected with patchy freezing rain. Total snow
  accumulations of 2 to 5 inches with a light glaze of ice
  accumulation.

* WHERE...Northern Oneida, Yates, Seneca, Southern Cayuga,
  Onondaga, Schuyler, Tompkins, Madison, Southern Oneida,
  Cortland, Chenango and Otsego counties.

* WHEN...From 7 PM Wednesday to noon EST Thursday.

* IMPACTS...Plan on slippery road conditions. The hazardous
  conditions could impact the morning commute.
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1 hour ago, cleetussnow said:

meh.  At least its snowy lately and cold is coming.  Let's see if early next week breaks our way...

 

...edit...which is not looking good on the 18z GFS.  

18z see is the best run yet in regards to next weeks rain storm.  I think we have had almost 10 runs now that have trended at least in the right direction.  

As for the Thursday storm, I'm not sure where the doom and gloom is coming from.  This storm has been 3-6" for days and still looks easily locked in as such.  In fact the latest run looks about as good as any.  We only got 4 inches with the storm last Friday and it was a great day of chasing and snowboarding.  We just have to adjust our standards a little this winter.  

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9 minutes ago, DeltaT13 said:

18z see is the best run yet in regards to next weeks rain storm.  I think we have had almost 10 runs now that have trended at least in the right direction.  

As for the Thursday storm, I'm not sure where the doom and gloom is coming from.  This storm has been 3-6" for days and still looks easily locked in as such.  In fact the latest run looks about as good as any.  We only got 4 inches with the storm last Friday and it was a great day of chasing and snowboarding.  We just have to adjust our standards a little this winter.  

East side easily doubled or tripled that 4”. I’ve heard that from several people too. When I returned, on Monday, from my trip there was evidence of a much bigger storm than what the airport reported. Weird. 

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15 minutes ago, rochesterdave said:

East side easily doubled or tripled that 4”. I’ve heard that from several people too. When I returned, on Monday, from my trip there was evidence of a much bigger storm than what the airport reported. Weird. 

Well it’s not too weird. The storm was certainly biased East west with the highest amounts east of us.  From the primary synoptic side of the storm I measured 4 inches of low ratio snow. Then overnight into Saturday we picked up 3 inches of absolute fake 30:1 snow.  Then another inch on sat night. So total from Friday to Sunday was 8 inches. But only 4 of those inches had any real substance too them.  For once the airport measurement was spot on compared to my backyard. 

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4 hours ago, TugHillMatt said:

I have stepped back from looking at the models run to run as well. Too tiring.

I did read one of the NWS discussions yesterday that said they were only expecting 1 to 2 INCHES of lake effect on Friday because of flake size. They said it would be a "greasy snow" so not sure how impressive it will be?

I peeked at some soundings and absolutely  true. We've seen this many times before. Its very wintery and vis can be low, but accums are in the inch or two range on our area. 

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1 hour ago, DeltaT13 said:

18z see is the best run yet in regards to next weeks rain storm.  I think we have had almost 10 runs now that have trended at least in the right direction.  

As for the Thursday storm, I'm not sure where the doom and gloom is coming from.  This storm has been 3-6" for days and still looks easily locked in as such.  In fact the latest run looks about as good as any.  We only got 4 inches with the storm last Friday and it was a great day of chasing and snowboarding.  We just have to adjust our standards a little this winter.  

Agree.  We're in a better place right now than most of this winter. We still have a solid 4-6 weeks to go. If you live south of the NY border (and CT/Mass border in NE), this winter has been an atrocity for snow.

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