Allenson Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Not bashing coops at all, but in my experience they run low. I know ORH_Wxman (Will) has stated this for SNE as well... not sure why the co-operative observations tend to be on the low side (I'm guessing its because they just measure once every 24 hours) but they are much better with "TOTAL" (snow-on-ground) rather than the "NEW" column. J.Spin is very diligent in measuring every 6-12 hours and I wish the coops were like that as well. They're totals would be much higher than the once a day at 6 or 7am stuff. As a coop-er who has a M-F, 40 hour/week job, it's impossible to measure every six hours when it snows on a week day. If it snows on a week day, I'll certainly measure when I get home, sweep the board and measure again in the morning at obs time. When it snows over the weekend, things are certainly easier and I am able to keep a better eye on things. That being said, for comarison sake, standardization of measurements is key. Here's what the NWS has to say: http://www.weather.g...op/snowguid.htmSnowfall amounts can be measured hourly or at any interval as long as the snow measurement board is NOT cleared more frequently than once every 6 hours. I can't speak for other observers as I've never met any (I keep meaning to start a thread here to see if there are any other coop folks on board here) but I suspect many of them are at work during the day themselves. Observers who are retired or independently wealthy (and we have plenty of that ilk here in Vermont! ) surely have an easier time of it. With all of this this in mind, every 24 hours might be about as good as we can get. In my opinion, the liquid equivelent is the tell-tale number. When I see a report with a really high (or low for that matter) ratio, I say 'hmmmmm'. Anyway, it's an inexact science but fun nonetheless. Hoping to take some new snow measurements this weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaineJayhawk Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Thanks for the link. I need to bookmark that one. Good luck! Thanks, I think we both need good luck. Think climo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 There is also a band of snow desperately trying to push down my way from Washington County. Doesn't look like it has any chance of making it but I'm watching it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Thanks, I think we both need good luck. Think climo! We are going to need a lot of help and hope that those troughs on the Nam are to far south and come north or the Nam is wrong, Will have to wait and see the rest of 12z.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaineJayhawk Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 We are going to need a lot of help and hope that those troughs on the Nam are to far south and come north or the Nam is wrong, Will have to wait and see the rest of 12z.... For sure. Verbatim we're looking at flurries, but this has been giving the models fits all week long, so I find no reason for the NAM depiction to be taken at face value. The rest of the day will be most interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 For sure. Verbatim we're looking at flurries, but this has been giving the models fits all week long, so I find no reason for the NAM depiction to be taken at face value. The rest of the day will be most interesting. You get flurries, I get a cirrus deck......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 You get flurries, I get a cirrus deck......... Well, I'm about done watching this one .... looks like it'll be a nice sunny weekend up this way. I'll hope for a miracle and plan on doing some ice fishing or maybe some sun tanning .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Well, I'm about done watching this one .... looks like it'll be a nice sunny weekend up this way. I'll hope for a miracle and plan on doing some ice fishing or maybe some sun tanning .... What horrible modeling, Won't know until you wake up and look out the window........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 We are going to need a lot of help Yes...a lot of help. I still have hope that there will be a little surprise snow for us. After following this damn trough all week it will be quite a bummer to have it fizzle over N MA/S NH and then watch SNE get walloped. Them are the breaks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaineJayhawk Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Yes...a lot of help. I still have hope that there will be a little surprise snow for us. After following this damn trough all week it will be quite a bummer to have it fizzle over N MA/S NH and then watch SNE get walloped. Them are the breaks. Exactly. There'll be a time where they're getting soaked with 36F rain while we're piling up your namesake. It's all good. But I'm not giving up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Yes...a lot of help. I still have hope that there will be a little surprise snow for us. After following this damn trough all week it will be quite a bummer to have it fizzle over N MA/S NH and then watch SNE get walloped. Them are the breaks. 2010 redux so far, Now we cant't get a trough, A miller B or an A up here, Where are our freindly SWFE's?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 2010 redux so far, Now we cant't get a trough, A miller B or an A up here, Where are our freindly SWFE's?? I can't really complain since I got over a foot from the Boxing Day storm (which was a surprise). But the rapid meltdown left me a bit bitter. I don't like seeing a couple of little patches of grass showing on the high points of my lawn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJonesWX Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 I can't really complain since I got over a foot from the Boxing Day storm (which was a surprise). But the rapid meltdown left me a bit bitter. I don't like seeing a couple of little patches of grass showing on the high points of my lawn. unless we have an epic late Jan/Feb, it is going to be tough for us to get to our snowfall avg at this point. I know it is early, but I am sitting on 9.5" on the season. yay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lava Rock Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 at the end of last season, I told myself that it couldn't possibly get any worse then that and that next winter would be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 I can't really complain since I got over a foot from the Boxing Day storm (which was a surprise). But the rapid meltdown left me a bit bitter. I don't like seeing a couple of little patches of grass showing on the high points of my lawn. My foot is down to about 3" with plenty of bare patches abound, Its just irratating that we keep finding different ways to whiff on every storm.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allenson Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Looks like some light snow is starting to edge into southern/southwestern VT. Springfield, VT is reporting light snow as of noon and webcams from the southern third of VT are showing some "fuzzy air". We'll see..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PWMan Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 My foot is down to about 3" with plenty of bare patches abound, Its just irratating that we keep finding different ways to whiff on every storm.......... My 6" are down to nothing, aside from a few stray patches and piles. This unfolding "event" fits perfectly into the year that we've had: even a setup that should favor us based on climo manages to nail places well south of here while we're stuck on the outside looking in. Just an infuriating stretch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaineJayhawk Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 unless we have an epic late Jan/Feb, it is going to be tough for us to get to our snowfall avg at this point. I know it is early, but I am sitting on 9.5" on the season. yay. I don't know if it's all that early any longer. I count DJFand M as winter months, so by that reckoning we're about a third of the way in. Agree with snowfall average - that's a pipe dream unless Ray's epic March comes to fruition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJonesWX Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 I don't know if it's all that early any longer. I count DJFand M as winter months, so by that reckoning we're about a third of the way in. Agree with snowfall average - that's a pipe dream unless Ray's epic March comes to fruition. maybe I am just trying to convince my self that it is still early lol right now I am at 14% of my annual snowfall. if we are a third into winter, then I expect less than 50% of annual. what will happen will be like last year. somehow we will nickel and dime our way to right around average, making the year look relatively decent on paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hvysnow79 Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Looks like some light snow is starting to edge into southern/southwestern VT. Springfield, VT is reporting light snow as of noon and webcams from the southern third of VT are showing some "fuzzy air". We'll see..... Just looked out here at work in Lebanon, NH and we do have some very lgt snow falling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaineJayhawk Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 My 09/10 season went into the toilet after the MLK event. Therefore, I am using that day this year as the kickoff to returned normalcy. I don't have my numbers with me, but it'll be interesting to see what my snowfall total is for that 365-day period. I'm not sure it's even 20". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 unless we have an epic late Jan/Feb, it is going to be tough for us to get to our snowfall avg at this point. I know it is early, but I am sitting on 9.5" on the season. yay. Well I almost hit average in 06-07 despite having 7.5" on the season Feb 1 so we're at least ahead of that. There's a lot of January to go. The LR offers up a possible SWFE so maybe we can pick up 4"+ with that before the real deal cold tries to work its way in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 My 6" are down to nothing, aside from a few stray patches and piles. This unfolding "event" fits perfectly into the year that we've had: even a setup that should favor us based on climo manages to nail places well south of here while we're stuck on the outside looking in. Just an infuriating stretch. No way to sugar coat it, And folks that have not been screwed the last couple of years obviously don't want to hear it, But if the shoe was on the other foot i think there would be some that would have already gone postal by now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Meanwhile, I just keep watching the Radar with my weenie goggles on just hoping some of this ocean enhancement snows find there way here.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaineJayhawk Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Meanwhile, I just keep watching the Radar with my weenie goggles on just hoping some of this ocean enhancement snows find there way here.... Yeah, there is some action out there. GYX had bumped up my pops to 60% when that stuff earlier showed up and then shot it down to 20% after it fizzled. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lava Rock Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 No way to sugar coat it, And folks that have not been screwed the last couple of years obviously don't want to hear it, But if the shoe was on the other foot i think there would be some that would have already gone postal by now so true. i remember reading posts from the mid-atlantic section 2 yrs ago and they had gotten shafted for a number of years while NE was reaping the rewards. looks like last year and so far this year is working out well for them. not so good for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Yeah, there is some action out there. GYX had bumped up my pops to 60% when that stuff earlier showed up and then shot it down to 20% after it fizzled. lol I want to laugh and cry at the same time.....lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpickett79 Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 anyone else notice...i.e look at the norlun getting going by portland to lewiston maine , now. http://radar.weather.gov/ridge/radar.php?product=NCR&rid=gyx&loop=yes anyone with the meso models up notice if they had this feature. i mean that is legit returns no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaineJayhawk Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 anyone else notice...i.e look at the norlun getting going by portland to lewiston maine , now. http://radar.weather.gov/ridge/radar.php?product=NCR&rid=gyx&loop=yes anyone with the meso models up notice if they had this feature. i mean that is legit returns no? Dunno, Mr Pickett ... I'm in PWM right now and the sun is out. There are clouds all around, though. I'd dearly love for this to be real and meaningful, so I'll wait and see on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 anyone else notice...i.e look at the norlun getting going by portland to lewiston maine , now. http://radar.weather.gov/ridge/radar.php?product=NCR&rid=gyx&loop=yes anyone with the meso models up notice if they had this feature. i mean that is legit returns no? Yes, I am watching it on radar lab hd, Its legit, 18dbz band that looks to be just to my east, The euro is running now and it actually has it, But don't remeber what run it was over the last couple of days, But one of the models showed it being over us for about 6 hrs............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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