Winter 2013 - 2014 Banter Thread

[jm1220]

No argument from me; he was a loose cannon.  However, I try never to push anyone's buttons to the extent that a mob would try and incite DT.  His behavior was very predicable and they knew exactly what to do to set him off.  Of course occasionally he would misinterpret something as an attack and go off for no good reason, but he isn't the only one on weather forums needing to improve his online social skills.

 

Have you been around long enough to remember Joseph Bartlo from unsenet days?  That was the worst case of internet bullying I have personally witnessed, although I see shades of it in this thread.

No, I wasn't around back then.

 

Some of DT's rants were hysterical because of the bad spelling, caps, and intensity of the posts but it got old after a while. The fighting here in this thread gave me a good laugh-I'm glad we didn't disappoint once again in the bickering department.

[GD0815]

No offense but you're really not helping making matters any better.

I think the idea is that a lot of us agree with Forky's message, but maybe deliver it in a different way, and I think he would be surprised how many people will be on his side.  I remember in one of your posts, Forky, you said it doesn't matter how you say it, just what you say, and I've found in business and elsewhere that both are very important.   With that being said, Forky does bring up some very valid points.  It isn't the end of the world in the banter threads, but cleaning up the model threads, and having people 1)not guessing a model run before it is finished and having to change their position 3 times and 2) just more of a focus on being realistic and not-wishcasting.  I've said my two cents, I just have been with the boards since about 2005 over at Eastern, and I think the potential for something better is absolutely on the table.

[NorthShoreWx]

i remember bartlo. he's dead now

 

I think he died about 7 years ago.  Young too...early 40s IIRC. 

[NorthShoreWx]

A lot of people here are familiar with Heather A's work on correlating cool season precip events with NAO phase changes while studying under Lance Bosart at Albany:

 

http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/2010MWR3362.1

 

Bartlo was another of Bosart's published students:

 

http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/1520-0493(1991)119%3C1979%3ATSFIAB%3E2.0.CO%3B2

 

Interesting that the Bosart/Bartlo paper was published a couple of months before the "Perfect Storm"

[jm1220]

http://www.americanwx.com/bb/index.php/topic/43324-spring-2014-banter-thread/

[earthlight]

im telling on you all! Earthlight will put you all in detention!

 

I don't care for detention, we are all adults here.

 

YanksFan posts way too much and puts too much emotional stock into storms and cares way too much what people think of him.

 

Forky on the other hand is intentionally condescending and trolls people which leads to problems, especially when people care too much and can't ignore him.

 

And there is the magic formula as to why Forky and Yanksfan clash so much.

[IsentropicLift]

I don't care for detention, we are all adults here.

 

YanksFan posts way too much and puts too much emotional stock into storms and cares way too much what people think of him.

 

Forky on the other hand is intentionally condescending and trolls people which leads to problems, especially when people care too much and can't ignore him.

 

And there is the magic formula as to why Forky and Yanksfan clash so much.

John,

 

With all due respect, several Mets have also called Forky's behavior out, and I'm not speaking about the one's that play at Citi Field.

[earthlight]

John,

 

With all due respect, several Mets have also called Forky's behavior out, and I'm not speaking about the one's that play at Citi Field.

 

I'm not condoning his behavior.

[NorthShoreWx]

I don't care for detention, we are all adults here.

 

YanksFan posts way too much and puts too much emotional stock into storms and cares way too much what people think of him.

 

Forky on the other hand is intentionally condescending and trolls people which leads to problems, especially when people care too much and can't ignore him.

 

And there is the magic formula as to why Forky and Yanksfan clash so much.

 

You are wise young grasshopper.

[JetsPens87]

I think the idea is that a lot of us agree with Forky's message, but maybe deliver it in a different way, and I think he would be surprised how many people will be on his side. I remember in one of your posts, Forky, you said it doesn't matter how you say it, just what you say, and I've found in business and elsewhere that both are very important. With that being said, Forky does bring up some very valid points. It isn't the end of the world in the banter threads, but cleaning up the model threads, and having people 1)not guessing a model run before it is finished and having to change their position 3 times and 2) just more of a focus on being realistic and not-wishcasting. I've said my two cents, I just have been with the boards since about 2005 over at Eastern, and I think the potential for something better is absolutely on the table.

I agree with your points. .. especially the "nam is going to be a huge hit" stuff when it's out to 24 hours on a storm 84 hours away. That stuff absolutely must stop and I think rules for the pbp should be implemented for next season. Many people enjoy it (myself not one of them but I see why it's done and doesn't bother me unless it's what I just mentioned) but it's done so wrong sometimes (not calling anyone out specifically). I would like to see it where pbp would be required to be strictly what the model showed verbatim. The personal interjection about "gonna bes big hit/nw/ots/rain/snow etc. Before it's played out absolutely must stop. To this regard I agree with Forky 110 percent.

[REDMK6GLI]

I don't care for detention, we are all adults here.

YanksFan posts way too much and puts too much emotional stock into storms and cares way too much what people think of him.

Forky on the other hand is intentionally condescending and trolls people which leads to problems, especially when people care too much and can't ignore him.

And there is the magic formula as to why Forky and Yanksfan clash so much.

WAYYY too many people here just havent learned internet behavior it seems. Not everyone is going to play fair, if they dont if you feed the trolls pages and pages of what forky/yanksfan have been doing will occur. Me personally both arent that bad of members and do add to the forum postively, forky just LOVES to stir the pot though in an incidous way

[JetsPens87]

WAYYY too many people here just havent learned internet behavior it seems. Not everyone is going to play fair, if they dont if you feed the trolls pages and pages of what forky/yanksfan have been doing will occur. Me personally both arent that bad of members and do add to the forum postively, forky just LOVES to stir the pot though in an incidous way

I don't mind stirring the pot but 1) he's a professional and 2) sometimes it goes a bit beyond stirring the pot Imo

[REDMK6GLI]

I agree with your points. .. especially the "nam is going to be a huge hit" stuff when it's out to 24 hours on a storm 84 hours away. That stuff absolutely must stop and I think rules for the pbp should be implemented for next season. Many people enjoy it (myself not one of them but I see why it's done and doesn't bother me unless it's what I just mentioned) but it's done so wrong sometimes (not calling anyone out specifically). I would like to see it where pbp would be required to be strictly what the model showed verbatim. The personal interjection about "gonna bes big hit/nw/ots/rain/snow etc. Before it's played out absolutely must stop. To this regard I agree with Forky 110 percent.

PbP works wonders for pure amatuer that want to learn the forecast models and maps. However like you said adding actual construtive analysis to each run from different hours would be more productive, yes they're will be some harmless humor with some runs but that keeps the place lively though. The "OTS, NAM so toss it etc. ) isnt adding much and we should educate instead.

[REDMK6GLI]

I don't mind stirring the pot but 1) he's a professional and 2) sometimes it goes a bit beyond stirring the pot Imo

I agree some of it is unwarranted and does cross the line but if its that bad the mods will act. We dumped odwalla and that was the textbook of crossing the line, especially when he told yanks to kindly "go fist himself"

[JetsPens87]

PbP works wonders for pure amatuer that want to learn the forecast models and maps. However like you said adding actual construtive analysis to each run from different hours would be more productive, yes they're will be some harmless humor with some runs but that keeps the place lively though. The "OTS, NAM so toss it etc. ) isnt adding much and we should educate instead.

Humor fine. .. saying it's gonna be a huge hit (like I've seen numerous people say... Only to have it be a dud) is ridiculous and that stuff should absolutely be cut out. In that regard I agree with Forky that there is nothing added to the forum with that

[JetsPens87]

I agree some of it is unwarranted and does cross the line but if its that bad the mods will act. We dumped odwalla and that was the textbook of crossing the line, especially when he told yanks to kindly "go fist himself"

Well that guy was just wrong all together. .. Same with snowfiend420. And another one to watch out for is weather-Talk.net in the NE forum. That guy is just a joke.

[IsentropicLift]

Humor fine. .. saying it's gonna be a huge hit (like I've seen numerous people say... Only to have it be a dud) is ridiculous and that stuff should absolutely be cut out. In that regard I agree with Forky that there is nothing added to the forum with that

You'll never see me make a post similar to that

[JetsPens87]

You'll never see me make a post similar to that

I had a few people in mind when making the statement. You were not one of them.

[REDMK6GLI]

Humor fine. .. saying it's gonna be a huge hit (like I've seen numerous people say... Only to have it be a dud) is ridiculous and that stuff should absolutely be cut out. In that regard I agree with Forky that there is nothing added to the forum with that

All three of us agree and some runs do deserve a huge hit when it warrants it but that is more a matter of opinion. Ex. "Huge hit, when its a huge hit for a localized area isnt accurate" it can be critiqued with meteorlogical information and fun as well but as long as it is educational

[REDMK6GLI]

Well that guy was just wrong all together. .. Same with snowfiend420. And another one to watch out for is weather-Talk.net in the NE forum. That guy is just a joke.

Thats been the word on the NE sub forum streets that he/she is thinking their indeed the second coming and demanding instant respect....the ban hammer will drop eventually as it is always hanging from above lol

[REDMK6GLI]

You'll never see me make a post similar to that

Yanks you have accountability that garners my respect if it actually means anything to you. You hold no punches and is better than someone going behind someones back

[JetsPens87]

Thats been the word on the NE sub forum streets that he/she is thinking their indeed the second coming and demanding instant respect....the ban hammer will drop eventually as it is always hanging from above lol

I hope so. He (Nick svankovics or something if you look at his site) is on such s high horse and the second you politely disagree he preaches to you about how he still not be disagreed with in any way

[PB GFI]

I just think you shrug some of this stuff off and if there are specific people you don't like just skip their stuff.

I'm only on the board for 4 years so it's better I stay seen and not heard.

Better to let the longer dated members sort it. All I can say is the arguing gets embarrassing when other forums mock this jernt .

If you really don't like someone you have that right. All I say is just try to keep it civil

[Stormlover74]

I guess I've just always believed that you should conduct yourself online the way you would in person. I can remember many the spirited debate back in the weather station in the good ole Walker building but it never turned into a fight nor was anyone disrespected.

[NorthShoreWx]

I guess I've just always believed that you should conduct yourself online the way you would in person. I can remember many the spirited debate back in the weather station in the good ole Walker building but it never turned into a fight nor was anyone disrespected.

 

Civility breeds civility.  That means not waiting for the other guy to be civil first.

[TauntonBlizzard2013]

I guess I've just always believed that you should conduct yourself online the way you would in person. I can remember many the spirited debate back in the weather station in the good ole Walker building but it never turned into a fight nor was anyone disrespected.

Yup, that's how it should be. Being a troll and what not online is a serious serious character flaw.

[jm1220]

WAYYY too many people here just havent learned internet behavior it seems. Not everyone is going to play fair, if they dont if you feed the trolls pages and pages of what forky/yanksfan have been doing will occur. Me personally both arent that bad of members and do add to the forum postively, forky just LOVES to stir the pot though in an incidous way

People let emotion take over the way they post too often on here. It leads to bickering and trolling which can destroy an entire thread. I remember having to delete literally a dozen posts or more at once prior to the 2/13 storm, and at other times it was worse. I show emotion also (believe me, I was steaming on the morning of 2/13 when I changed over to rain/sleet hours before anyone else and watched the quickly piling up snow turn to mush), but when you post it to a forum that many other people read including professionals in the field, you have to act appropriately and put it in the right thread. Our subforum is a laughingstock sometimes because of these posting habits.

[FreeRain]

Humor fine. .. saying it's gonna be a huge hit (like I've seen numerous people say... Only to have it be a dud) is ridiculous and that stuff should absolutely be cut out. In that regard I agree with Forky that there is nothing added to the forum with that

Agree.

 

Conversely, there have been a few storms over the last few years that have trended in our direction late, after various posters including forky wrote those storms off. 

 

Holding out for a long shot isn't wishcasting.

 

And writing off a storm completely when there is an outside chance that the storm may hit...is wishcasting.

[Stormlover74]

Agree.

Conversely, there have been a few storms over the last few years that have trended in our direction late, after various posters including forky wrote those storms off.

Holding out for a long shot isn't wishcasting.

And writing off a storm completely when there is an outside chance that the storm may hit...is wishcasting.

I disagree. If every model shows no snow 72 hours out and I forecast no snow how is that wishcasting? It doesn't mean its being written off as a possibility its just a very low risk.

Part of the problem this month was the unwillingness to write off a threat that was clearly dead because x storm came north at the last minute so y storm would have to do the same

[the moors in england]

what will happen if both forkyfork and yanksfan both stopped posting?