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Major Severe Weather Outbreak November 17


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From Mike Ryan at IND...

 

"Our prelim count is now at 17 for the state. 12 from Indy CWA, 3 in NW Indiana and 2 in Grant County. This would be a new daily record for tornadoes in Indiana in November. The previous record was 14 on November 22, 1992. This would put us in 4th overall, behind only June 2, 1990 (33), May 30, 2004 (24), and April 3,1974 (20), all memorable days in their own right."

 

Survey teams will be going back out tomorrow, so those numbers are subject to change.

 

EDIT: Already changed. IWX just confirmed #18. An EF-1 in Pulaski County.

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Gifford IL tornado EF3.

 

000
NOUS43 KILX 190125
PNSILX
ILZ027>031-036>038-040>057-061>063-066>068-071>073-191330-

PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE LINCOLN IL
725 PM CST Mon Nov 18 2013

...PRELIMINARY NWS DAMAGE SURVEY FOR 11/17/13 TORNADO EVENT...

.GIFFORD TORNADO...

RATING: EF-3
ESTIMATED PEAK WIND: 140 MPH
PATH LENGTH /STATUTE/: 24 MILES
PATH WIDTH /MAXIMUM/: QUARTER MILE
FATALITIES: 0
INJURIES: 6 MINOR

START TIME: 1245 PM CST
START LOCATION: 2 MILES EAST OF THOMASBORO

END TIME: 110 PM CST
END LOCATION: 2 MILES SOUTH OF EAST LYNN

EF SCALE: THE ENHANCED FUJITA SCALE CLASSIFIES
TORNADOES INTO THE FOLLOWING CATEGORIES.

EF0...WEAK......65 TO 85 MPH
EF1...WEAK......86 TO 110 MPH
EF2...STRONG....111 TO 135 MPH
EF3...STRONG....136 TO 165 MPH
EF4...VIOLENT...166 TO 200 MPH
EF5...VIOLENT...>200 MPH

NOTE:
THE INFORMATION IN THIS STATEMENT IS PRELIMINARY AND SUBJECT TO
CHANGE PENDING FINAL REVIEW OF THE EVENT AND PUBLICATION IN
NWS STORM DATA.

$

AUTEN/SCHAFFER/HANSING

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Gifford IL tornado EF3.

 

000

NOUS43 KILX 190125

PNSILX

ILZ027>031-036>038-040>057-061>063-066>068-071>073-191330-

PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE LINCOLN IL

725 PM CST Mon Nov 18 2013

...PRELIMINARY NWS DAMAGE SURVEY FOR 11/17/13 TORNADO EVENT...

.GIFFORD TORNADO...

RATING: EF-3

ESTIMATED PEAK WIND: 140 MPH

PATH LENGTH /STATUTE/: 24 MILES

PATH WIDTH /MAXIMUM/: QUARTER MILE

FATALITIES: 0

INJURIES: 6 MINOR

START TIME: 1245 PM CST

START LOCATION: 2 MILES EAST OF THOMASBORO

END TIME: 110 PM CST

END LOCATION: 2 MILES SOUTH OF EAST LYNN

EF SCALE: THE ENHANCED FUJITA SCALE CLASSIFIES

TORNADOES INTO THE FOLLOWING CATEGORIES.

EF0...WEAK......65 TO 85 MPH

EF1...WEAK......86 TO 110 MPH

EF2...STRONG....111 TO 135 MPH

EF3...STRONG....136 TO 165 MPH

EF4...VIOLENT...166 TO 200 MPH

EF5...VIOLENT...>200 MPH

NOTE:

THE INFORMATION IN THIS STATEMENT IS PRELIMINARY AND SUBJECT TO

CHANGE PENDING FINAL REVIEW OF THE EVENT AND PUBLICATION IN

NWS STORM DATA.

$

AUTEN/SCHAFFER/HANSING

That brings the strong/violent tornado count with this outbreak to 17, and it may keep rising. Very impressive, especially for the Ohio Valley in November. The Gifford tornado was a beast of a wedge .

https://twitter.com/BigHouse15/status/402266928728653824/photo/1

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From Mike Ryan at IND...

 

"Our prelim count is now at 17 for the state. 12 from Indy CWA, 3 in NW Indiana and 2 in Grant County. This would be a new daily record for tornadoes in Indiana in November. The previous record was 14 on November 22, 1992. This would put us in 4th overall, behind only June 2, 1990 (33), May 30, 2004 (24), and April 3,1974 (20), all memorable days in their own right."

 

Survey teams will be going back out tomorrow, so those numbers are subject to change.

 

EDIT: Already changed. IWX just confirmed #18. An EF-1 in Pulaski County.

 

I think he accidentally left out 4/19/11

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Tony, what's the process around the 'national' team that the link says will review to determine if the damage is greater than EF-4?

Is it SOP to have a certain group give a final EF-5 rating?

Does a regional or local survey team have the authority to rule EF-5?

It seems like the pattern with an EF-5 ruling has been to prelim rate @ EF-4, then upgrade to EF-5 in the following days.

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Which is, I believe, the biggest (isn't it 44?).

 

I think it was 29 or 30 in IN...almost all were EF0/EF1 though.

 

The 7 prelim EF2+ tornadoes in Indiana currently ties for 4th place for most F/EF2+ in an outbreak and is the 2nd most F/EF2+ in a November outbreak (10, 11/22/1992).

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Tony, what's the process around the 'national' team that the link says will review to determine if the damage is greater than EF-4?

Is it SOP to have a certain group give a final EF-5 rating?

Does a regional or local survey team have the authority to rule EF-5?

It seems like the pattern with an EF-5 ruling has been to prelim rate @ EF-4, then upgrade to EF-5 in the following days.

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I'm honestly not sure about the ability for local offices to rate a tornado EF5 (I think they're allowed to now).  As you can imagine, most are hesitant to do so without an outside expert opinion.  In this case, I'm guessing it's likely either Tim Marshall or Jim LaDue going up there to survey.

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I'm not sure what this is gonna count as in terms of numbers but it's significant given November tornado climo in Michigan.

PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT  NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE GRAND RAPIDS MI  743 PM EST MON NOV 18 2013    ...NWS DAMAGE SURVEY FOR 11/17/2013 TORNADO EVENT BEGINNING IN MUSKEGON COUNTY...    ...SEVERAL VERY BRIEF TORNADO TOUCHDOWNS OCCURRED ALONG AN EXTENDED PATH....     OVERVIEW    SEVERAL WEAK TORNADOES TOUCHED DOWNED IN MUSKEGON...NEWAYGO AND  POSSIBLY MECOSTA AND ISABELLA COUNTIES ASSOCIATED WITH ONE  PORTION OF A SQUALL LINE THAT MOVED THROUGH LOWER MICHIGAN  NOVEMBER 17TH.    THOUGH THE PATH LENGTH OF DAMAGE END TO END STRETCHES OVER 50  MILES...TORNADOES WERE ONLY BRIEFLY ON THE GROUND FOR A FEW  SECONDS IN MULTIPLE LOCATIONS ALONG THE PATH. ONE BRIEF TOUCHDOWN  OCCURRED IN MUSKEGON COUNTY NEAR BAILEY AND AT LEAST TWO SEPARATE  BRIEF TOUCHDOWNS OCCURRED IN NEWAYGO COUNTY NEAR GRANT AND SOUTH  OF CROTON.    ADDITIONAL BRIEF TOUCHDOWNS MAY HAVE OCCURRED IN MECOSTA AND  ISABELLA COUNTY BUT AT THIS TIME THE DAMAGE REVIEWED BY THE NWS   SURVEY TEAM PROVED TO BE INCONCLUSIVE.     REGARDLESS OF WHETHER MORE TOUCHDOWNS OCCURRED OR NOT...ALL DAMAGE THAT  OCCURRED ALONG THE PATH OF THIS STORM WAS RATED EF-0 WIND DAMAGE.       DAMAGE WAS MOSTLY TO TREES...THOUGH SEVERAL HOMES...OUTBUILDINGS  AND FENCES WERE DAMAGED AS WELL. DAMAGE WAS ISOLATED FROM THIS  STORM ALONG THE PATH AND WAS NOT A CONTINUOUS DAMAGE PATH  THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE 50 PLUS MILES THIS STORM TRAVELED.    RATING:                 EF-0  ESTIMATED PEAK WIND:    65 TO 75 MPH WITH GUSTS UP TO 85 MPH IN THE TREE TOPS  PATH LENGTH /STATUTE/:  DAMAGE PATH INTERMITTENT FOR OVER 50 MILES   PATH WIDTH /MAXIMUM/:   LESS THAN 100 YARDS  FATALITIES:             0  INJURIES:               0  START DATE:             11/17/2013  START TIME:             APPROXIMATELY 2:45 PM EST  START LOCATION:         NEAR BAILEY END DATE:               11/17/2013  END TIME:               NOT DETERMINED AT THIS TIME  END LOCATION:           NOT DETERMINED AT THIS TIME   
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Not sure if anyone is keeping count of tornadoes that have been surveyed so far but the Wikipedia page for this event currently has 45.

This was a rather incredible November outbreak. Hoosier, props to you for being on top of this one, and also props to Tony who nailed this one just like he nailed October 4th. Also, I think Andy was the first one to point out this system which was another good call. It was a pleasure reading this board leading up to the event as usual.

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Saw this come across as a retweet on my Twitter

 

Jim Cantore @JimCantore 3h

Lucky to be alive !! via @bryanwx@USTornadoes: Dash cam of a direct hit by a tornado in Illinois yesterday: http://youtu.be/BLPTrDSjXNw 

 

Near Tuscola IL on I-57... I do like the random car that appears at 38 secs and is totally oblivious... looks like it was RW tor

 

If posted already, my bad... I went back to page 30 and didnt see it

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