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February 25/26th Winter Weather Event Disc./Obs.


WilkesboroDude

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Per 0z GFS...and consistent EURO/NAM...feel like there is a need to be concerned in WNC. Widespread closings and delays for the Tuesday morning commute esp. in the mountains.

 

Also feel like I am dirtying up the main thread so bringing it here.

 

Another winter weather event jinx... :facepalm:

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:P I wouldn't be saying that but the recent events have closed schools here...and delayed nearby. This looks similar and already looking at a prone morning commute. 

 

Timing is perfect unfortunately, yet again.

 

 

You do have a point there...a lot of places error on the side of caution.

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MONDAY NIGHT...A CHANCE OF SLEET WITH A SLIGHT CHANCE OF RAIN IN
THE EVENING...THEN RAIN...A CHANCE OF SLEET AND FREEZING RAIN
AFTER MIDNIGHT. LITTLE OR NO SLEET ACCUMULATION. LOWS IN THE MID
30S.
LIGHT AND VARIABLE WINDS...BECOMING EAST AROUND 10 MPH AFTER
MIDNIGHT. CHANCE OF PRECIPITATION NEAR 100 PERCENT.
.TUESDAY...RAIN...FREEZING RAIN WITH A CHANCE OF SLEET IN THE
MORNING...THEN RAIN IN THE AFTERNOON. LITTLE OR NO SLEET
ACCUMULATION. HIGHS IN THE LOWER 40S. EAST WINDS 10 TO 15 MPH.
CHANCE OF PRECIPITATION NEAR 100 PERCENT.
.TUESDAY NIGHT...MOSTLY CLOUDY WITH RAIN LIKELY IN THE EVENING...
THEN PARTLY CLOUDY AFTER MIDNIGHT. LOWS IN THE MID 30S. CHANCE OF
RAIN 60 PERCENT.

 

I don't look for much freezing rain in the mid 30s? :blink: 
 

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Thought I would post this for Asheville.  NAM very consistent on a blazing major, catastrophic, ice-storm.  GFS says, "what's ice?"

 

By contrast, the meteogram for KHKY is the exact opposite.  I can't figure out how to post that image, but both the 00Z and the 06Z GFS show greater than 0.40 inches of freezing rain accumulation while neither of the last two NAM runs show anything at all.

 

All I can guess is that the NAM is forecasting the coldest pockets of air to remain in the mountain valleys but not bleed down the eastern slopes of the Apps, while the GFS is strongly pushing CAD but doesn't see any cause for cold air to remain locked into the SW mountain valleys.

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By contrast, the meteogram for KHKY is the exact opposite.  I can't figure out how to post that image, but both the 00Z and the 06Z GFS show greater than 0.40 inches of freezing rain accumulation while neither of the last two NAM runs show anything at all.

 

All I can guess is that the NAM is forecasting the coldest pockets of air to remain in the mountain valleys but not bleed down the eastern slopes of the Apps, while the GFS is strongly pushing CAD but doesn't see any cause for cold air to remain locked into the SW mountain valleys.

 

Hmm, thats interesting because this is the Morganton Airport data from the 0z Nam run and it has quite a bit of FZRA. 

 

Station ID: KMRN Lat:   35.82 Long:  -81.61                                                       

NAM Model Run:  0Z 24FEB 2013

  HR Valid     2m Tmp 2m Dpt 10m Dir 10m Spd TPrcp CPrcp 1000-500 500mb 850mb 500mb MSLP TCC PRS WX   Tot    Snowfall  Vis

                Deg F  Deg F   deg      kt    in.   in.     Thk    GPH   Tmp   Tmp   mb   %  TEXT    Clouds      in    SM

   0 02/24 00Z   44     44     130       2    0.00  0.00    552    562    7.4 -18.7 1011 100       046OVC365    0.0   15.0

   3 02/24 03Z   43     43     193       2    0.00  0.00    549    559    6.9 -19.4 1012 100       018OVC352    0.0    1.8

   6 02/24 06Z   43     43     293       3    0.00  0.00    546    554    6.3 -23.5 1010 100       056OVC171    0.0    6.4

   9 02/24 09Z   41     39     310       6    0.00  0.00    543    553    4.8 -20.6 1011  41       028SCT048    0.0    9.2

  12 02/24 12Z   37     33     311       6    0.00  0.00    545    557    5.4 -17.6 1014  32       017SCT049    0.0    5.5

  15 02/24 15Z   48     32     313       7    0.00  0.00    548    561    3.4 -17.0 1015  10       024FEW081    0.0   14.9

  18 02/24 18Z   55     27     307       7    0.00  0.00    550    563    2.2 -16.2 1014  10       052FEW101    0.0   15.0

  21 02/24 21Z   55     26     303       8    0.00  0.00    551    563    2.0 -17.1 1014   7       076FEW130    0.0   15.0

  24 02/25 00Z   48     24     327       6    0.00  0.00    550    564    2.2 -17.8 1016   3       077FEW125    0.0   15.0

  27 02/25 03Z   40     23     337       5    0.00  0.00    549    565    3.7 -17.6 1019   0          CLR       0.0   15.0

  30 02/25 06Z   34     24     349       4    0.00  0.00    548    565    3.8 -17.8 1020   0          CLR       0.0   15.1

  33 02/25 09Z   32     24     358       4    0.00  0.00    548    564    2.8 -18.0 1020  40       293SCT293    0.0   15.1

  36 02/25 12Z   33     24      39       2    0.00  0.00    547    565    1.5 -18.3 1022  58       246BKN353    0.0   15.1

  39 02/25 15Z   38     24      99       5    0.00  0.00    547    566    0.9 -18.0 1024 100       213OVC361    0.0   15.1

  42 02/25 18Z   40     25     126       4    0.00  0.00    547    565    1.5 -19.5 1022 100       166OVC371    0.0   15.0

  45 02/25 21Z   40     27      96       4    0.00  0.00    548    565    2.3 -17.8 1021 100       145OVC339    0.0   15.1

  48 02/26 00Z   38     28      65       3    0.00  0.00    548    566    2.3 -15.7 1022 100       112OVC261    0.0   15.1

  51 02/26 03Z   36     27      47       4    0.00  0.00    548    566    0.9 -16.0 1022  97       173BKN372    0.0   15.0

  54 02/26 06Z   35     28      53       7    0.00  0.00    549    566    0.2 -16.1 1022  98 -FZRN 056OVC391    0.0   14.7

  57 02/26 09Z   32     31      60       9    0.29  0.00    549    564    1.2 -14.3 1019 100 FZRN  014OVC392    0.0    1.3

  60 02/26 12Z   31     30      59      12    0.18  0.00    550    565    5.5 -13.5 1018 100 FZRN  013OVC286    0.0    1.6

  63 02/26 15Z   32     31      59      13    0.24  0.00    552    564    8.4 -14.4 1015 100 FZRN  014OVC157    0.0    1.4

  66 02/26 18Z   34     32      58       9    0.40  0.05    553    561    9.0 -14.6 1010 100 TSPL  018OVC165    0.0    1.4

  69 02/26 21Z   36     34     359       5    0.29  0.16    551    557    8.4 -15.3 1007 100 TSRA  017OVC158    0.0   10.0

  72 02/27 00Z   36     36     339       4    0.02  0.00    549    554    4.7 -17.4 1007 100       017OVC078    0.0   16.9

  75 02/27 03Z   38     37     257       3    0.00  0.00    548    554    3.5 -16.8 1007  94       128BKN130    0.0   16.8

  78 02/27 06Z   35     35     246       3    0.00  0.00    546    551    2.0 -16.2 1006  69       097BKN129    0.0   11.4

  81 02/27 09Z   33     32     250       3    0.01  0.00    544    549   -0.1 -17.4 1006  60       097BKN105    0.0    5.0

  84 02/27 12Z   32     32     215       3    0.00  0.00    542    548   -2.1 -19.2 1007  64       016BKN040    0.0    2.5

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I figured out how to get a picture off the meteogram site.  Imgur won't work, so I had to print screen to Paint and then save as a .png file.  Anyway, the NAM is still showing nothing for KHKY, and the GFS roughly cut its 06Z freezing rain totals in half with the latest 12Z run.  Still, a quarter inch of ice accretion is nothing to sneer at:


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Hmm, thats interesting because this is the Morganton Airport data from the 0z Nam run and it has quite a bit of FZRA. 

 

Station ID: KMRN Lat:   35.82 Long:  -81.61                                                       

NAM Model Run:  0Z 24FEB 2013

  HR Valid     2m Tmp 2m Dpt 10m Dir 10m Spd TPrcp CPrcp 1000-500 500mb 850mb 500mb MSLP TCC PRS WX   Tot    Snowfall  Vis

                Deg F  Deg F   deg      kt    in.   in.     Thk    GPH   Tmp   Tmp   mb   %  TEXT    Clouds      in    SM

   0 02/24 00Z   44     44     130       2    0.00  0.00    552    562    7.4 -18.7 1011 100       046OVC365    0.0   15.0

   3 02/24 03Z   43     43     193       2    0.00  0.00    549    559    6.9 -19.4 1012 100       018OVC352    0.0    1.8

   6 02/24 06Z   43     43     293       3    0.00  0.00    546    554    6.3 -23.5 1010 100       056OVC171    0.0    6.4

   9 02/24 09Z   41     39     310       6    0.00  0.00    543    553    4.8 -20.6 1011  41       028SCT048    0.0    9.2

  12 02/24 12Z   37     33     311       6    0.00  0.00    545    557    5.4 -17.6 1014  32       017SCT049    0.0    5.5

  15 02/24 15Z   48     32     313       7    0.00  0.00    548    561    3.4 -17.0 1015  10       024FEW081    0.0   14.9

  18 02/24 18Z   55     27     307       7    0.00  0.00    550    563    2.2 -16.2 1014  10       052FEW101    0.0   15.0

  21 02/24 21Z   55     26     303       8    0.00  0.00    551    563    2.0 -17.1 1014   7       076FEW130    0.0   15.0

  24 02/25 00Z   48     24     327       6    0.00  0.00    550    564    2.2 -17.8 1016   3       077FEW125    0.0   15.0

  27 02/25 03Z   40     23     337       5    0.00  0.00    549    565    3.7 -17.6 1019   0          CLR       0.0   15.0

  30 02/25 06Z   34     24     349       4    0.00  0.00    548    565    3.8 -17.8 1020   0          CLR       0.0   15.1

  33 02/25 09Z   32     24     358       4    0.00  0.00    548    564    2.8 -18.0 1020  40       293SCT293    0.0   15.1

  36 02/25 12Z   33     24      39       2    0.00  0.00    547    565    1.5 -18.3 1022  58       246BKN353    0.0   15.1

  39 02/25 15Z   38     24      99       5    0.00  0.00    547    566    0.9 -18.0 1024 100       213OVC361    0.0   15.1

  42 02/25 18Z   40     25     126       4    0.00  0.00    547    565    1.5 -19.5 1022 100       166OVC371    0.0   15.0

  45 02/25 21Z   40     27      96       4    0.00  0.00    548    565    2.3 -17.8 1021 100       145OVC339    0.0   15.1

  48 02/26 00Z   38     28      65       3    0.00  0.00    548    566    2.3 -15.7 1022 100       112OVC261    0.0   15.1

  51 02/26 03Z   36     27      47       4    0.00  0.00    548    566    0.9 -16.0 1022  97       173BKN372    0.0   15.0

  54 02/26 06Z   35     28      53       7    0.00  0.00    549    566    0.2 -16.1 1022  98 -FZRN 056OVC391    0.0   14.7

  57 02/26 09Z   32     31      60       9    0.29  0.00    549    564    1.2 -14.3 1019 100 FZRN  014OVC392    0.0    1.3

  60 02/26 12Z   31     30      59      12    0.18  0.00    550    565    5.5 -13.5 1018 100 FZRN  013OVC286    0.0    1.6

  63 02/26 15Z   32     31      59      13    0.24  0.00    552    564    8.4 -14.4 1015 100 FZRN  014OVC157    0.0    1.4

  66 02/26 18Z   34     32      58       9    0.40  0.05    553    561    9.0 -14.6 1010 100 TSPL  018OVC165    0.0    1.4

  69 02/26 21Z   36     34     359       5    0.29  0.16    551    557    8.4 -15.3 1007 100 TSRA  017OVC158    0.0   10.0

  72 02/27 00Z   36     36     339       4    0.02  0.00    549    554    4.7 -17.4 1007 100       017OVC078    0.0   16.9

  75 02/27 03Z   38     37     257       3    0.00  0.00    548    554    3.5 -16.8 1007  94       128BKN130    0.0   16.8

  78 02/27 06Z   35     35     246       3    0.00  0.00    546    551    2.0 -16.2 1006  69       097BKN129    0.0   11.4

  81 02/27 09Z   33     32     250       3    0.01  0.00    544    549   -0.1 -17.4 1006  60       097BKN105    0.0    5.0

  84 02/27 12Z   32     32     215       3    0.00  0.00    542    548   -2.1 -19.2 1007  64       016BKN040    0.0    2.5

In my experience freezing rain at 32 or 31 degrees doesn't have a significant impact you really need 30 and below for the crippling storms.

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In my experience freezing rain at 32 or 31 degrees doesn't have a significant impact you really need 30 and below for the crippling storms.

 

Unfortunately, these several past events have nailed the northern foothills with snow/sleet at 36-32. When that happens any rain at 32 immediately sticks to snow/sleet cover. 

 

NWS Blacksburg is already saying we may end up with more snow/sleet than the models are depicting. 

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Unfortunately, these several past events have nailed the northern foothills with snow/sleet at 36-32. When that happens any rain at 32 immediately sticks to snow/sleet cover.

NWS Blacksburg is already saying we may end up with more snow/sleet than the models are depicting.

Maybe things have changed but the skew charts look like a rain signature for many places freezing or liquid. The warm pocket is now joke. Not sure how you can get snow with the ones I saw. Also doesn't look cold/dry enough for sleet either.

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I am in the process of making my map...hold on.

ASHE-ALLEGHANY NC-SURRY-STOKES-ROCKINGHAM-CASWELL-WATAUGA-WILKES-

YADKIN-

357 AM EST SUN FEB 24 2013

WINTRY MIX IS EXPECTED LATE MONDAY NIGHT INTO TUESDAY MORNING.

THIS IS ESPECIALLY TRUE ALONG AND EITHER SIDE OF THE BLUE RIDGE.

SOME LIGHT SNOW OR SLEET ACCUMULATION ALONG WITH ICE IS POSSIBLE.

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Red...freezing rain...advisory criteria to warning criteria. Up to quarter inch of ice along the Blue Ridge with locally higher amounts. Less in the northern foothills.

Blue...snow/sleet...1-2 inches possible or less. Advisory criteria.

Black...transit...sleet to rain with only small pockets of freezing rain. Could possibly see an advisory due to criteria of freezing rain...and it being morning commute.

Shaded yellow area...best chance of winter weather products being issued and actually verifying. 

 

* Blue line turned black in spots where I highlighted. 

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Raysweather for the foothills...

 

Similar to a few days ago, cold air draining down the Appalachians may allow for some freezing rain or sleet to mix with the rain at times Monday night into early Tuesday morning (especially north of I-40). As we have mentioned before, it is all about the temperatures as far as who will see any frozen / freezing precip and who won’t. We can't rule out some minor accumulations of ice or sleet north, so something to keep an eye on.

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TBH, none of these events have ever looked good but we somehow manage to luck out. 

 

It is the weekend so TV stations, media, etc. are sleeping on this potential. Monday they will likely have maps out.

 

Dude, you're teenager on a weekend and 7 of the last 9 posts in this thread are yours.  Do you know what a girl is?

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BY DAY 2...A THREAT OF ICING DEVELOPS ACROSS THE APPALACHIANS WELLDOWNSTREAM OF THE CYCLONE FROM THE MOUNTAINS OF WESTERN NC TO THETN BORDER UP INTO WV AND WESTERN VA.  COLD AIR TRAPPED NEAR THESURFACE DUE TO A NEW ENGLAND HIGH PRESSURE CELL HAS WARMER AIR ANDMOISTURE STREAMING OVER THE TOP WITH PRECIP DEVELOPING BEFORE THESUBFREEZING SURFACE COLD AIR GETS SCOURED OUT IN THE MOUNTAINAREAS.  A MODERATE RISK IS SHOWN DUE TO INHERENT UNCERTAINTIES INA MULTIPLE PRECIP TYPE EVENT...WITH UNCERTAINTIES REVOLVING AROUNDDURATION OF EACH PRECIP TYPE.  THE NAM/GFS/SREF MEAN ALL SHOW

POTENTIAL FOR A QUARTER INCH OR MORE OF ICING.noaad2.gif

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