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A gloppy 5:1 mashed potato event?

We may squeeze in something minor prior to that but really anything before the end of the first week of Dec is gravy.

Agreed, hopefully we are tracking specific winter storm chances as we get into early December.

That will come early December. As I have said many times. Wait until after first week.

Temp crashed in the fake spots once the clouds cleared. Even here we had clouds until like 5a then we tanked to 30. Low 20s surrounding here. Frosty.

The probabilistic maps from the latest CFSv2 monthly forecasts (just outside its skillful range) appear to be consistent with my baseline thinking (Upper Midwest/Great Lakes-focused cold that spreads eastward, above normal snowfall in the Upper Midwest-Great Lakes Region ( including Chicago to Toronto). Finally, there continues to be no evidence of the kind of buildup of expansive severe cold in the Northern Hemisphere that would produce a severely cold December in the CONUS. This does not preclude the possibility of 1-2 Arctic outbreaks, but those are synoptic events that can't be forecast from this far out. But the path toward an extremely cold month is one that is statistically very unlikely and for which there is no evidence currently to support such claims. Therefore, the Social Media chatter toward that end is pure speculation. The idea that December would rival 1983 is nonsensical. December 1983 (CONUS mean temperature of 25.48°) was the coldest December on record in the CONUS. The last December with a CONUS mean temperature below 30° was December 2009 (29.64°) and that outcome was made possible by extraordinary and persistent blocking in the WPO/EPO/AO domains. Both those frigid Decembers were preceded by Novembers with a much larger deep cold pool in the Northern Hemisphere. So, a logical question would be how such cold would materialize if the deep cold pool is small and there is no indication of 2009-style extreme blocking on the guidance (which can't reliably be forecast from this far out)? If the ingredients aren't present or can't yet be determined to be present, one can't credibly call for such outcomes, especially when they are rare statistical events. Finally, the odds are further tilted against such an outcome by the warming that has occurred in the Northern Hemisphere since 1983. Below are the GISS Arctic region temperature anomalies since 1980.

My expectations are higher with the weak PV/ LA Nina and a favorable MJO. I think we get more snow than last winter ( thats not saying much though ) Winter should start to kick in after next week.

Sir, this is a weather forum. Please keep it about weather.

also in regards to Dec chill being advertised, fwiw, tellies are supportive of Ens guidance, so while not a lock, I'd say we may be loaded :).

Same can be said if it goes into the bad phases. Just a computer model.

If I remember correctly, there were a number of storms that just missed central park with snowfall. Even though I believe the city ended up around 4 inches for the year, with subtle differences it could have been much more. Of course the giant blizzard ending April 1st that year was too warm and east for Manhattan (all the other borrows did ok). However if that same storm occurred 2 weeks earlier, Manhattan could have had a solid 6 to 10 inches. Going into this year with low expectations, I would definitely roll the dice with a 96 / 97 repeat.

has a weird splotchy look too suspect the answer is bad news

We have not had much sun this week and today will be no different. Rain chances increase late tonight with around 0.20" possible for most areas. We should finally see the sun return tomorrow through Monday with afternoon high temperatures near average at around 50 degrees. Our next rain chances increase by Tuesday late day into Wednesday. Wednesday should be our one well above average temperature day with highs reaching near 60 degrees! We turn sharply cooler by Thanksgiving Day.

if i may, its cooldown part 2. verbatim we cool for turk day into weekend, then a brief warmup as the calendar turns to Dec. AOA 12/3-4 we get 500mb pattern depicted above.

We have not had much sun this week and today will be no different. Rain chances increase late tonight with around 0.20" possible for most areas. We should finally see the sun return tomorrow through Monday with afternoon high temperatures near average at around 50 degrees. Our next rain chances increase by Tuesday late day into Wednesday. Wednesday should be our one well above average temperature day with highs reaching near 60 degrees! We turn sharply cooler by Thanksgiving Day.

It’s been kinda low grade consistently below normal this month. CON’s min so far is 18F. They usually have gotten lower than that by now.

Is that on track or pushed out a week? .

Don't think I've ever seen this much drought throughout the entire country. Where the hell have all the weather systems gone?

picked up .01 from that mist.

Morning low of 21°. November has certainly featured some chilly mornings.

Yes that's definitely occurring. Hopefully we can get the PDO to return to a more neutral if not slightly positive state in the long term.

Looks like a little warmer than average as we head into the last week of November. Storm track remains through the Great Lakes. So the warm ups will be a bit more impressive than the cool downs which follow. But nothing too extreme in terms of temperatures and storms.

Min 20.9°

That post had nothing at all to do with the tropospheric MJO. It was the stratosphere only, which Simon Lee believes (in his professional opinion) resembles 96-97. But with regard to the MJO, we won’t know for certain that the MJO actually goes strongly into phase 8 until it happens, it’s simply a computer generated projection right now

Simon is highly credible with deep expertise. He doesn't make outlandish statements for clicks or subscriptions. He has done important research. I am aware of his concerns and take them seriously. With regard to the upcoming SSWE, I have outlined what is my current baseline thinking. Overall, I have three general scenarios: Scenario 1: Great Lakes Focused Cold, East Gets a Window (EPO-/AO-/PNA-) -- My Baseline Scenario 2: Colder/Blockier; Classic Eastern Winter Period (EPO-/AO-/PNA+) Scenario 3: Delayed or Short Impact/Persistent SE Ridge; Cold Underperforms in the East; reduced snow opportunities in the Mid-Atlantic Region (EPO-/AO+/PNA-) Under my current baseline, cold would first move into the Great Lakes Region and then spread farther east (except for the Southeast; the cold will be fleeting there). The late November cold shot is unrelated to the stratospheric event. Should the forecast AO- break down relatively quickly, the odds of Scenario 3 would increase. Given guidance skill (lack thereof) at long timeframes, I am sticking with the baseline until there is credible evidence it is going off track. Interestingly, during Winter 1996-1997, January was the coldest month relative to normal for such cities as Detroit and New York. That outcome was suggested by my final winter analog set.