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October Comes Early: Late September Multi-Hazard Hybrid Storm


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1 hour ago, WxWatcher007 said:

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Look at that first loop!!!

That's 100% tropical. Look at that convection wrap tightly around the center. Beautiful. Riding right along the Gulf Stream. Perfect location. 

Did I get @WxWatcher007 as pumped as @ineedsnow here? :D

See what I am saying here?  My "rants" are not w/o merit as to NHC not acknowledging legit TCs.  The Jan 2023 event is perhaps the most glaring I have ever seen, and this is when they have long broaden the definition of a TC (2005 forced everyone too!) and declare them more.  This is good as we are calling things for what they are, but still, you get odd stuff like this that gets ignored operationally.  Yes, I know the Jan 2023 thing got included in post-season analysis, but that's not the point.

Why was it not declared operationally?  My guess is that they did not want to name something in Jan close the East Coast b/c the media would freak, and NHC would have been overrun w/ calls and inquires, so they just deferred to post-season analysis.  Sorry, that isn't an excuse.  It's your job to monitor and designate TCs in the Atlantic and EPAC in real-time.  The atmosphere doesn't care what the calendar says or about our rules or policies, it does what it does!

So you see my concern about this current storm and how it may evolve and what may or may not be done from authority.  This ST or T evolution is not a low-prob or far-fetched scenario, whether you look at it from a meteorological objective or subjective POV!
 

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3 minutes ago, vortex95 said:

Did I get @WxWatcher007 as pumped as @ineedsnow here? :D

See what I am saying here?  My "rants" are not w/o merit as to NHC not acknowledging legit TCs.  The Jan 2023 event is perhaps the most glaring I have ever seen, and this is when they have long broaden the definition of a TC (2005 forced everyone too!) and declare them more.  This is good as we are calling things for what they are, but still, you get odd stuff like this that gets ignored operationally.  Yes, I know the Jan 2023 thing got included in post-season analysis, but that's not the point.

Why was it not declared operationally?  My guess is that they did not want to name something in Jan close the East Coast b/c the media would freak, and NHC would have been overrun w/ calls and inquires, so they just deferred to post-season analysis.  Sorry, that isn't an excuse.  It's your job to monitor and designate TCs in the Atlantic and EPAC in real-time.  The atmosphere doesn't care what the calendar says or about our rules or policies, it does what it does!

So you see my concern about this current storm and how it may evolve and what may or may not be done from authority.  This ST or T evolution is not a low-prob or far-fetched scenario, whether you look at it from a meteorological objective or subjective POV!
 

No Sandy was. Because it wasn’t tropical, NHC “threw hands up” saying it’s ET.

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7 minutes ago, DirtySnowDen said:

No Sandy was. Because it wasn’t tropical, NHC “threw hands up” saying it’s ET.

Don't even get me started w/ Sandy! :D   I'll spare you all a rant write-up on that!

One thing I will say, at a SNE conference I think 12 years ago, one of the BOX mets who is the resident WFO TC expert was talking about the reanalysis of big HUs that hit New England.  And Sandy came up.  He was asked if he thought it was still a TC at landfall, and he said, w/ his boss (MIC) on stage w/ him, "offline after a few beers, I say yes it was!"

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