yoda Posted yesterday at 07:35 PM Share Posted yesterday at 07:35 PM Updated afternoon Day 3 SPC disco Day 3 Convective Outlook NWS Storm Prediction Center Norman OK 0227 PM CDT Thu Jul 16 2026 Valid 181200Z - 191200Z ...THERE IS A SLIGHT RISK OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS FOR PARTS OF THE OHIO VALLEY AND LOWER GREAT LAKES INTO THE MID-ATLANTIC... ...SUMMARY... Strong to severe thunderstorms are expected across portions of the Ohio Valley and lower Great Lakes into the Mid-Atlantic, mainly Saturday afternoon into the evening. Some threat may linger into late Saturday night. ...Ohio Valley into the Mid Atlantic and vicinity... Some amplification of a mid/upper-level trough is expected over the northeastern CONUS on Saturday, as multiple shortwaves move through the base of the trough. The primary surface low is expected to deepen as it moves across southern Quebec toward northern Maine. A trailing cold front will move through parts of the Ohio Valley and Northeast. A remnant surface front initially draped from western PA toward the Delmarva region is forecast to lift northeastward as a warm front through the period. As deep-layer flow strengthens atop a richly moist and destabilizing warm sector, organized severe potential is expected to develop across a relatively broad region from the Ohio Valley into the Mid Atlantic, with at least an isolated threat potentially reaching parts of New England. Uncertainties include the influence of early-day convection and potential persistent smoke on the northeastward extent of substantial surface-based destabilization. Along the cold front, the greatest relative threat is currently expected from the lower Great Lakes into eastern parts of the Ohio Valley, where stronger 850-700 mb flow (around 25-40 kt) is forecast. Organized cells/clusters capable of damaging wind and isolated hail may evolve along/ahead of the front and spread eastward. Rich boundary-layer moisture and modest enhancement to low-level SRH may also result in some tornado threat, depending on storm-mode evolution. Favorable moisture/buoyancy will also extend westward along/ahead of the front into parts of the Midwest and lower Ohio Valley, but there may be more of a tendency for convection to be undercut by the front with westward extent. Farther south/east, organized convection may evolve or reintensify near the effective warm front by afternoon into parts of PA/NJ, and also develop into parts of MD/VA along/east of a surface trough. Very warm temperatures and steepening low-level lapse rates will become supportive of damaging-wind potential, and isolated hail may also occur. Some tornado threat could also evolve in closer proximity to the warm frontal zone. An extensive frontal QLCS may develop by evening, and continue to pose some wind-damage threat for as long as it persists into Saturday night. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted 22 hours ago Share Posted 22 hours ago That single storm in SE NJ is packing quite a wallop... 85mph wind gust Severe Weather Statement National Weather Service Mount Holly NJ 655 PM EDT Thu Jul 16 2026 NJC005-029-162330- /O.CON.KPHI.SV.W.0181.000000T0000Z-260716T2330Z/ Ocean NJ-Burlington NJ- 655 PM EDT Thu Jul 16 2026 ...A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 730 PM EDT FOR SOUTHEASTERN OCEAN AND EAST CENTRAL BURLINGTON COUNTIES... At 654 PM EDT, a severe thunderstorm was located over Surf City, or 23 miles south of Toms River, moving southeast at 30 mph. THIS IS A DESTRUCTIVE STORM FOR SHIP BOTTOM AND SURF CITY. HAZARD...80 mph wind gusts and half dollar size hail. SOURCE...Trained weather spotters. At 647 PM EDT, a 85 MPH wind gust was recorded at the Surf City Yacht Club mesonet station. IMPACT...Flying debris will be dangerous to those caught without shelter. Mobile homes will be heavily damaged. Expect considerable damage to roofs, windows, and vehicles. Extensive tree damage and power outages are likely. Locations impacted include... Barnegat, Tuckerton, Surf City, Brookville, Warren Grove, Penn State Forest, Beach Haven West, Manahawkin, Ocean Acres, and Waretown. This includes Garden State Parkway between mile markers 57 and 73. PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS... Prepare immediately for large hail and damaging winds. People outside should seek shelter inside a well-built structure and away from windows. Frequent cloud to ground lightning is occurring with this storm, and the storm will affect the beaches. For your safety, immediately move off the beach and seek shelter indoors. Torrential rainfall is occurring with this storm, and may lead to flash flooding. Do not drive your vehicle through flooded roadways. && LAT...LON 3976 7454 3986 7446 3982 7402 3950 7421 TIME...MOT...LOC 2254Z 301DEG 25KT 3966 7411 THUNDERSTORM DAMAGE THREAT...DESTRUCTIVE HAIL THREAT...OBSERVED MAX HAIL SIZE...1.25 IN WIND THREAT...OBSERVED MAX WIND GUST...80 MPH $$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vortex95 Posted 21 hours ago Share Posted 21 hours ago 9 hours ago, WxUSAF said: Why has the NAM just looked like shit for any shower/storm day we’ve had this year from any range >6 hours?? The NAM is woefully outdated as a model. I do not think it has been updated to tweaked in 10 years or so. It is mainly for a "quick, early look" and I think that's why I has stuck around for so long! Generally, I do not use the NAM after 36 hr, as it does odd things. And the model was never designed for TCs, so never use it for them. The NAM and all its derivative models are going away in Oct (was going to be Aug but pushed back), The RRFS will replace it. The RRFS has its issues, but from what I have seen, it does much better than the NAM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vortex95 Posted 21 hours ago Share Posted 21 hours ago 1 hour ago, yoda said: That single storm in SE NJ is packing quite a wallop... 85mph wind gust Severe Weather Statement National Weather Service Mount Holly NJ 655 PM EDT Thu Jul 16 2026 NJC005-029-162330- /O.CON.KPHI.SV.W.0181.000000T0000Z-260716T2330Z/ Ocean NJ-Burlington NJ- 655 PM EDT Thu Jul 16 2026 ...A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 730 PM EDT FOR SOUTHEASTERN OCEAN AND EAST CENTRAL BURLINGTON COUNTIES... At 654 PM EDT, a severe thunderstorm was located over Surf City, or 23 miles south of Toms River, moving southeast at 30 mph. THIS IS A DESTRUCTIVE STORM FOR SHIP BOTTOM AND SURF CITY. HAZARD...80 mph wind gusts and half dollar size hail. SOURCE...Trained weather spotters. At 647 PM EDT, a 85 MPH wind gust was recorded at the Surf City Yacht Club mesonet station. IMPACT...Flying debris will be dangerous to those caught without shelter. Mobile homes will be heavily damaged. Expect considerable damage to roofs, windows, and vehicles. Extensive tree damage and power outages are likely. Locations impacted include... Barnegat, Tuckerton, Surf City, Brookville, Warren Grove, Penn State Forest, Beach Haven West, Manahawkin, Ocean Acres, and Waretown. This includes Garden State Parkway between mile markers 57 and 73. PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS... Prepare immediately for large hail and damaging winds. People outside should seek shelter inside a well-built structure and away from windows. Frequent cloud to ground lightning is occurring with this storm, and the storm will affect the beaches. For your safety, immediately move off the beach and seek shelter indoors. Torrential rainfall is occurring with this storm, and may lead to flash flooding. Do not drive your vehicle through flooded roadways. && LAT...LON 3976 7454 3986 7446 3982 7402 3950 7421 TIME...MOT...LOC 2254Z 301DEG 25KT 3966 7411 THUNDERSTORM DAMAGE THREAT...DESTRUCTIVE HAIL THREAT...OBSERVED MAX HAIL SIZE...1.25 IN WIND THREAT...OBSERVED MAX WIND GUST...80 MPH $$ The training on this storm was incredible. And it was smack dab in the middle of the thick smoke plume, so that did not seem to inhibit things, and maybe enhanced things (cloud condensation nuclei different?). Smoke as to impacting convection has some studies, and results vary. One was smoke plumes seem to increase the frequency of +CGs. I attached the CG plot zoomed up color coded every 20 min going back 2 hr ending 724pm EDT. The density is wild! Radar rainfall estimates show up to 6" in some locations. visloop5.mp4 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high risk Posted 16 hours ago Share Posted 16 hours ago 10 hours ago, yoda said: Hmmmm... sounds like Saturday could be quite interesting... afternoon AFD from LWX on the threat @wxmeddler @Eskimo Joe @Kmlwx @high risk KEY MESSAGE 2...A strong cold front brings the threat of severe weather Saturday, possibly lingering into Sunday to the south. Early thought is that storms will fire Saturday afternoon along the lee trough in an environment with good shear and at least moderate instability. (The NAM is likely too moist in the low levels, so toss its extreme instability). Severe will definitely be a concern, and the high PW environment may support locally intense rainfall, but the fast storm movement should prevent major flooding concerns. The potential round 2 is highly dependent upon timing. Right now, consensus seems to favor arrival very late in the evening, which leads to significant weakening (and possibly falling completely apart) before arrival. The shear will be increasing further after dark, so severe would be possible, but the timing really needs to speed up to make that happen. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxUSAF Posted 11 hours ago Share Posted 11 hours ago 5 hours ago, high risk said: Early thought is that storms will fire Saturday afternoon along the lee trough in an environment with good shear and at least moderate instability. (The NAM is likely too moist in the low levels, so toss its extreme instability). Severe will definitely be a concern, and the high PW environment may support locally intense rainfall, but the fast storm movement should prevent major flooding concerns. The potential round 2 is highly dependent upon timing. Right now, consensus seems to favor arrival very late in the evening, which leads to significant weakening (and possibly falling completely apart) before arrival. The shear will be increasing further after dark, so severe would be possible, but the timing really needs to speed up to make that happen. 0z euro moves that round 2 through around 0z. Most other guidance has it 2-3 hours later so it mostly falls apart before getting to us. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxUSAF Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago 23 hours ago, WxUSAF said: Why has the NAM just looked like shit for any shower/storm day we’ve had this year from any range >6 hours?? Bump for the 12z isolated micro-shower tomorrow in the metro area Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eskimo Joe Posted 5 hours ago Share Posted 5 hours ago 1 hour ago, WxUSAF said: Bump for the 12z isolated micro-shower tomorrow in the metro area Code Purple Rain to wash the smoke away. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jewell2188 Posted 5 hours ago Share Posted 5 hours ago Wouldn’t it be fitting for smoke to put a damper on our severe potential!? We can find every way to fail here whether it’s snow or thunderstorms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eskimo Joe Posted 5 hours ago Share Posted 5 hours ago 30 minutes ago, jewell2188 said: Wouldn’t it be fitting for smoke to put a damper on our severe potential!? We can find every way to fail here whether it’s snow or thunderstorms Plot Twist: the edges of the smoke plumes can act as differential heating boundaries for storms, and the increased particular can act as nucleation for lightning. We saw that in PA/WI/NJ the past few days. Satellite loop for visual: 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago ENH risk introduced on 1730z SPC OTLK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago 4 minutes ago, yoda said: ENH risk introduced on 1730z SPC OTLK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago Day 2 Convective Outlook NWS Storm Prediction Center Norman OK 1229 PM CDT Fri Jul 17 2026 Valid 181200Z - 191200Z ...THERE IS AN ENHANCED RISK OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS FOR PARTS OF THE LOWER GREAT LAKES INTO THE MID-ATLANTIC... ...SUMMARY... Severe thunderstorms are expected across portions of the Ohio Valley and Lower Great Lakes into the Mid-Atlantic and Northeast, mainly Saturday afternoon into the evening. Some threat may linger into late Saturday night. ...Ohio Valley/Lower Great Lakes into the Mid-Atlantic/Northeast... An active severe-weather day is expected Saturday from parts of the Ohio Valley and Lower Great Lakes into the Mid-Atlantic, as scattered to widespread storms move through an increasingly favorable environment. A 45% wind area has been added, resulting in a categorical upgrade to Level-3/Enhanced Risk. The Enhanced Risk area is a combination of multiple regimes which may eventually overlap, with some areas potentially seeing multiple rounds of strong to severe storms. A mid/upper-level shortwave trough is forecast to move across the northern Great Lakes vicinity through the day, before approaching New England by evening. In conjunction with this shortwave trough, a deepening surface low is expected to move across southern Quebec toward northern Maine, as a trailing cold front moves through the Great Lakes and eventually parts of the Mid Atlantic and Northeast. A remnant surface front initially draped from southern NJ into western PA will lift northeastward as an effective warm front, in advance of the surface low and cold front. As strengthening deep-layer wind fields overspread increasingly rich moisture, a broad region from the Ohio Valley and Lower Great Lakes into the Mid-Atlantic and parts of the Northeast will become supportive of organized convection and severe-thunderstorm potential. HRRR-based forecasts suggest that smoke will become less prominent from west to east by afternoon, which should allow for relatively strong diurnal heating and moderate destabilization in areas not affected by early-day convection. Effective shear of 35-45 kt will support organized clusters and possibly occasional supercells from the Lower Great Lakes into the northern Mid-Atlantic and Northeast, while strong heating and steep low-level lapse rates will result in a favorable wind-damage environment within the somewhat weaker flow regime across the southern Mid-Atlantic and parts of the Carolinas. Elevated convection may be ongoing or else develop during the morning across parts of PA/NY, within a warm-advection regime associated with the returning warm front. Depending on the timing of this convection and downstream heating/destabilization, some intensification of ongoing convection may occur by early afternoon. Additional development may occur along the southwest flank of early-day convection and related outflow, which may intensify and move across the northern Mid-Atlantic during the afternoon. In addition to a wind-damage threat, some hail and tornado potential may also evolve with any supercell development, given the presence of favorable effective SRH. Farther north, a broken band of storms is expected to develop along the cold front and move across the Lower Great Lakes region, eventually reaching a larger part of OH/PA/NY by late afternoon or early evening. Additional storms may develop ahead of the frontal convection, depending on the extent of heating in the wake of early-day storms. Multiple wind-damage swaths may accompany this convection, along with some potential for isolated hail. Rich moisture and some enhancement to low-level SRH may also support a tornado threat with any discrete or embedded supercells, especially near the effective warm frontal zone or any remnant outflow boundaries from morning convection. An initially separate regime of storm development and severe potential is expected to develop along/east of a surface trough across parts of the southern Mid-Atlantic into NC. While deep-layer flow will tend to weaken with somewhat southward extent, strong heating and steepening of low-level lapse rates will provide a favorable thermodynamic environment for downbursts and damaging outflow winds. Depending on the extent of outflow from prefrontal storms, frontal convection may continue to pose at least an isolated severe threat through the evening as it spreads southeastward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago @high risk @wxmeddler @Eskimo Joe Can smoke lay boundaries? I know Eskimo mentioned it in his post above... but is it something that we should be watching tomorrow morning? Also, doesn't the smoke act like a pseudo cap or EML in a sense in that it keeps the atmosphere from CI? Finally, wouldn't it also keep the moisture (dewpoints) up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxUSAF Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago Need a big fat QLCS to blow and rain all the smoke out 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxmeddler Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago 45 minutes ago, yoda said: @high risk @wxmeddler @Eskimo Joe Can smoke lay boundaries? I know Eskimo mentioned it in his post above... but is it something that we should be watching tomorrow morning? Also, doesn't the smoke act like a pseudo cap or EML in a sense in that it keeps the atmosphere from CI? Finally, wouldn't it also keep the moisture (dewpoints) up? Smoke can do a bunch of stuff but the two things that you see most often are: 1. Smoke can create differential heating on smoke vs. non smoke areas. Causing pseudo surface cold fronts. 2. Mid/Upper level smoke can absorb sunlight and transfer that energy to the surrounding environment; creating warmer mid-levels while also reducing surface heating. Both combined makes caps more robust than would otherwise be expected. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eskimo Joe Posted 51 minutes ago Share Posted 51 minutes ago Just wanted to add for the Maryland folks. The Maryland Department of Environment has some real nerdy pollution meteorologists. Their forecasts are almost always spot on and they regularly coordinate with the various NWS offices. We're very fortunate to have these folks in our state! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxUSAF Posted 19 minutes ago Share Posted 19 minutes ago 3 hours ago, WxUSAF said: Need a big fat QLCS to blow and rain all the smoke out Hugging the Herpderp. Other mesos look like shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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