October 2025 Discussion and Obs

[the_other_guy]

I have 3 young kids…I hope this change never happens. For all the idiots living down south or in the eastern parts of a time zone, there are a lot of us up north sending kids to school in darkness.

 

For that reason, I believe it will never happen.

It isnt even that extreme here. If you live in a place like Ohio, it will be dark until 9 am. That is ridiculous

[Brian5671]

7 minutes ago, the_other_guy said:

I have 3 young kids…I hope this change never happens. For all the idiots living down south or in the eastern parts of a time zone, there are a lot of us up north sending kids to school in darkness.

 

For that reason, I believe it will never happen.

It isnt even that extreme here. If you live in a place like Ohio, it will be dark until 9 am. That is ridiculous

kids at bus stops or walking to schools is why it won't last if it happens...that's why it folded in 1973-74

We close schools here for a dusting of snow, we're not running busses in the dark lol

[the_other_guy]

The fundamental problem with the whole debate is the angry masses screaming at a cloud syndrome.

People are angry at DST because it gets “darker earlier.” It gets darker earlier because the days are shorter. The masses are angry at the shorter days not the clock realignment. 

It is like being angry at a square root symbol because youre an idiot at math. 

[Sundog]

1 hour ago, nycwinter said:

i rather they go back to what it was when george w was president when the clocks fell back changed before halloween so it would be dark out..i do not want dst to be permanent imagine in december when the sun would rise at 8:00 am...

Who cares. The Sun already rises at 8AM at all locations on the western end of time zones.

And the majority of Europe has a sunrise time much later than we do due to their higher latitude. Nobody dies there.

You know what is terrible? The Sun going down at 4:20PM

[Sundog]

1 hour ago, the_other_guy said:

The fundamental problem with the whole debate is the angry masses screaming at a cloud syndrome.

People are angry at DST because it gets “darker earlier.” It gets darker earlier because the days are shorter. The masses are angry at the shorter days not the clock realignment. 

It is like being angry at a square root symbol because youre an idiot at math. 

Children in Europe have been going to school in the dark for centuries, I guess they're just tougher than us?

[Brian5671]

10 minutes ago, Sundog said:

Children in Europe have been going to school in the dark for centuries, I guess they're just tougher than us?

Definitely.  We are a nation of wusses.   Especially the last 25 yrs

[JustinRP37]

30 minutes ago, Sundog said:

Who cares. The Sun already rises at 8AM at all locations on the western end of time zones.

And the majority of Europe has a sunrise time much later than we do due to their higher latitude. Nobody dies there.

You know what is terrible? The Sun going down at 4:20PM

Just using your logic here... Those more northern latitudes also have a sunset before 4:20PM, hell in some parts the sun never comes up for weeks at a time and people don't die...

[JustinRP37]

1 hour ago, Brian5671 said:

kids at bus stops or walking to schools is why it won't last if it happens...that's why it folded in 1973-74

We close schools here for a dusting of snow, we're not running busses in the dark lol

Our morning buses are routinely running in the dark in the morning. The high school bus picks up at the end of my street at 6:18AM, well before sunrise currently. Hasn't harmed anyone. 

[Brian5671]

1 minute ago, JustinRP37 said:

Our morning buses are routinely running in the dark in the morning. The high school bus picks up at the end of my street at 6:18AM, well before sunrise currently. Hasn't harmed anyone. 

High school is one thing, elementary is another.  While I agree with you, the helicopter parent culture we currently live in will lead to massive freakouts and calls for us to revert back to the old system...just watch.   That's what happened last time we tried it.

[JustinRP37]

19 minutes ago, Brian5671 said:

High school is one thing, elementary is another.  While I agree with you, the helicopter parent culture we currently live in will lead to massive freakouts and calls for us to revert back to the old system...just watch.   That's what happened last time we tried it.

My father in-law teaches in Ohio and literally got a day off today for.... FOG! And we wonder why our workers now want to call out when it is anything other than sunny and calm?

[nycwinter]

it is a safety issue for some. especially for kids ..going out in the dark  many by themselves...

[FPizz]

2 hours ago, Brian5671 said:

kids at bus stops or walking to schools is why it won't last if it happens...that's why it folded in 1973-74

We close schools here for a dusting of snow, we're not running busses in the dark lol

79 percent of Americans approved of the change in December 1973, approval had dropped to 42 percent three months later, the New York Times reported.  Most hated it and it was still going down before they changed it back. 

[BxEngine]

Couldnt give a shit about the sun going down at 4:30 in january WHO CARES. 

[BxEngine]

And blaming the kids when its the generation who “went home when the street lights came on” made these new helicopter rules is hysterical.

[FPizz]

8 minutes ago, BxEngine said:

Couldnt give a shit about the sun going down at 4:30 in january WHO CARES. 

I actually like it going down early in winter.  

[Brian5671]

3 minutes ago, FPizz said:

I actually like it going down early. 

takes care of the "sun angle issue" with snow 

[Sundog]

11 minutes ago, FPizz said:

I actually like it going down early in winter.  

530 wouldn't be early enough for you?

[FPizz]

12 minutes ago, Sundog said:

530 wouldn't be early enough for you?

I prefer light in the morning.  It is easier for me to wake up.  I despise leaving for work in the dark.  My body is telling me I should be sleeping ( studies showed kids learn better in daylight as well).  When the sun goes down earlier, I'm already awake, so it doesn't bother me and the weather isn't enjoyable to be outside anyway.

[Dan76]

 

[Sundog]

3 minutes ago, FPizz said:

I prefer light in the morning.  It is easier for me to wake up.  I despise leaving for work in the dark.  My body is telling me I should be sleeping ( studies showed kids learn better in daylight as well).  When the sun goes down earlier, I'm already awake, so it doesn't bother me and the weather isn't enjoyable to be outside anyway.

I've been waking up in the dark to go to work for over a month. You get used to it. 

We get a ton of days in the 40s now and even some 50s on a regular basis in winter. 

That's not bad at all to be outdoors. How about all the kids that do sports? It would really help a lot and they really do need the light. 

[LibertyBell]

3 hours ago, Brian5671 said:

kids at bus stops or walking to schools is why it won't last if it happens...that's why it folded in 1973-74

We close schools here for a dusting of snow, we're not running busses in the dark lol

I dont see the problem here just start school an hour later

 

[LibertyBell]

16 minutes ago, FPizz said:

I prefer light in the morning.  It is easier for me to wake up.  I despise leaving for work in the dark.  My body is telling me I should be sleeping ( studies showed kids learn better in daylight as well).  When the sun goes down earlier, I'm already awake, so it doesn't bother me and the weather isn't enjoyable to be outside anyway.

you're right you should be sleeping, everything should be pushed back an hour

work, school, etc

 

[LibertyBell]

1 hour ago, nycwinter said:

it is a safety issue for some. especially for kids ..going out in the dark  many by themselves...

again school hours can be adjusted

do the first hour of school on remote learning if necessary

[SnoSki14]

We tried this in the 70s and it was a disaster. Standard time is the way to go. It matches much better with our circadian rhythms. 

There's no debate 

[MJO812]

41 minutes ago, Sundog said:

530 wouldn't be early enough for you?

I want it at 12pm

[Brian5671]

30 minutes ago, Sundog said:

I've been waking up in the dark to go to work for over a month. You get used to it. 

We get a ton of days in the 40s now and even some 50s on a regular basis in winter. 

That's not bad at all to be outdoors. How about all the kids that do sports? It would really help a lot and they really do need the light. 

Outdoor sports in January?   LOL

[Brian5671]

6 minutes ago, MJO812 said:

I want it at 12pm

move to iceland...it barely clears the horizon for a few hours...no sun angle issues ever

[Brian5671]

18 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

again school hours can be adjusted

do the first hour of school on remote learning if necessary

remote learning was a disaster...hard no to that

[FPizz]

58 minutes ago, Sundog said:

I've been waking up in the dark to go to work for over a month. You get used to it. 

We get a ton of days in the 40s now and even some 50s on a regular basis in winter. 

That's not bad at all to be outdoors. How about all the kids that do sports? It would really help a lot and they really do need the light. 

Its a personal preference,  just like you like it bright later. Yeah, this month sucks leaving in the dark, but then its bright again when we change it back in 2 weeks.  I don't want it dark for months.  I can take 1 month.

[HailMan06]

30 minutes ago, Brian5671 said:

remote learning was a disaster...hard no to that

Yeah I have to agree. IMO the two biggest causes for Gen Z’s academic struggles were remote learning during COVID and cellphone use in school.