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August 2025 Discussion-OBS - cooler than normal first week but a big comeback to warmer than normal for the last 2-3 weeks


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4 hours ago, Brian5671 said:

that worked out well last year:weenie:

Yeah it definitely wasn't one of those winters with lots of days in the 50s. Average to slightly below average temps and frequent light snowfalls with a good amount of snowcover days. At least it felt and seemed like winter even though we missed the big snowstorms. 

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15 hours ago, jm1220 said:

I don’t see why we can’t reach 100 for many of us if we get another stretch of WNW downslope heat. Especially since like you said we’re not getting much rain over the next 5-7 days. Topsoil dries out very quick this time of the year as we can see with the browning lawns. 

The story of this summer and much of  the last decade has been the models underestimating the WAR or SE Ridge beyond 5 days. So this has been a repeating model forecast error.

Around August 1st the forecast for August 11-18 had a modest warm up into the 90s. Definately a rebound from the less warm pattern this week.

But now much of the guidance brings back 100° potential again. So you can see this big shift in the models in just 5 days of runs.

New run August 11-18

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Old run 

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74 /68 mostly cloudy wtih some hazy smoke mixed in.   Clouds and mainly - mostly dry outside a stray shower or drizzle/light rain the next 24 hours.  Clearing tomorrow and setting the stage for a wonderful 3 day period (too bad it wasnt a 3 days holiday weekend) as it looks gorgeous for any beach , outdoor, bbq, pool etc.  Sunny, warm - 80s Fri - Sun/ upper 80s by Sunday.  Flow comes around and expanding heat by Monday which should get the areas back into a widespread 90s for and through Thu or Friday,  perhaps some strong heat Tue/Wed (95+).  Beyond there outside a day or two near / slightly below normal its an overall warm- hot / humid and turning wetter.  With tropics systems activity looking to stay persistent.

8/6 - 8/7: Clouds - smoky front
8/8 - 8/10 :   Great stretch - near normal - sunny - dry -  Amazing summer time weather
8/11 - Beyond :  Warm - Hot / Humid  turning wetter overall - Heat 8/11 - 8/14 (strong heat possible 95+ Tue 8/12 /Wed 8/13)

 

 

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Records:

Highs:


EWR: 97 (2001)
NYC: 97 (1955)
LGA: 95 (2018)
JFK: 91 (2010)


Lows:

EWR: 57 (1934)
NYC: 56 (1869)
LGA: 57 (1994)
JFK: 57 (1994)

Historical:


1881: Smoke from Michigan forest fires created a yellow pall over the Northeast. Candles were necessary for light at noontime. (Ref. AccWeather Weather History)

1890 - Thunderstorms left four inches of hail covering the ground in Adair County and Union County in Iowa. The hail drifted into six foot mounds, and in some places remained on the ground for twenty- six days. (The Weather Channel)

1905: Princeton, IN received 10.50 inches of rain, which established a 24-hour maximum precipitation record for the Hoosier State. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

1918 - Unusually hot weather began to overspread the Atlantic Coast States, from the Carolinas to southern New England. The temp- erature soared to an all-time record high of 106 degrees at Washington D.C., and Cumberland and Keedysville hit 109 degrees to establish a state record for Maryland. Temperatures were above normal east of the Rockies that month, with readings much above normal in the Lower Missouri Valley. Omaha NE reached 110 degrees. (David Ludlum)  On this date the highest ever maximum temperature of 107 °F was recorded in Richmond, VA. (Ref. Richmond Weather Records)

 

1947: The city, Sault Ste. Marie, MI hit 98°, equaling their all-time highest temperature. (Ref. AccWeather Weather History)

1959 - A bucket survey showed that thunderstorms dropped 16.70 inches of rain on parts of Decatur County IA. The total was accepted as Iowa's 24 hour rainfall record. (The Weather Channel)

 

1959: Hurricane Dot crossed Kauai in the Hawaiian Islands producing sustained winds of 105 mph with gusts to 125 mph. Over 6 inches of rain fell with over 9 inches on the big island of Hawaii. The sugar cane crop on Kauai sustained $2.7 million in damages.

1961: A severe thunderstorm brought 70 to 100 mph winds to Lake Texoma, OK. The winds caused extensive damage to piers and either damaged or sank more than 100 boats. One person drowned when their boat capsized during the storm. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

1977: Severe thunderstorms produced nearly 20 tornadoes in Sangamon and Christian Counties in central Illinois. Many of these only affected open fields. However, one tornado did cause extensive damage near and east of Chatham. One tornado just south of Lake Springfield was unusual in that it had a clockwise rotation, in contrast to the usual counter-clockwise rotation found in tornadoes. The thunderstorms that produced these tornadoes caused a large swath of destruction from strong winds extending from southwestern Morgan County east to far southwestern Macon County. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

1979: 100° at Salt Lake City, UT tied the record for the date. It was the 5th day of temperatures 100° or hotter. (Ref. AccWeather Weather History)

1986 - Evening thunderstorms produced wind gusts to 100 mph at Winner SD damaging two hundred homes. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

1987 - Afternoon thunderstorms deluged Milwaukee, WI, with 6.84 inches of rain, including more than five inches in two hours, breaking all previous rainfall records for the city. Floodwaters were four feet deep at the Milwaukee County Stadium, and floodwaters filled the basement of the main terminal at the airport. Flooding caused 5.9 million dollars damage, and claimed the life of one person. Death Valley, CA, reported a morning low of 97 degrees. A midday thunderstorm deluged Birmingham AL with nearly six inches of rain in one hour. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

1988 - Severe thunderstorms produced large hail and damaging winds in Pennsylvania and New York State. A cold front crossing the northwestern U.S. produced wind gusts to 66 mph at Livingston MT. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

1989 - Thunderstorms developing ahead of a cold front produced severe weather from northwestern Texas to the Southern Appalachians, and in the northeastern U.S. There were 136 reports of large hail or damaging winds during the day and evening. Thunderstorms in the Southern Plains Region produced tennis ball size hail northwest of Buffalo OK, and wind gusts to 100 mph at Pampa TX. (Storm Data) (The National Weather Summary)

1992: A firefighter was knocked unconscious in Sarasota County, Florida struck by lightning while fighting a fire that was caused by a lightning strike. (Ref. AccWeather Weather History)

1993: Virginia experienced its worst tornado outbreak ever as 18 tornadoes ripped through the state in 5 hours. The most devastating tornado caused severe damage in the historic part of Petersburg. The storm then moved on to Pocahontas Island and into Colonial Heights. There, the storm ripped apart a WalMart store, killing three people and injuring nearly 200. The F4 twister was the first known violent tornado in Virginia history. It killed a total of 4 people and injured 246 along its 12-mile path. Total damages were near $50 million.

 

2001: Tropical Storm Barry moved inland on the Gulf Coast near Fort Walton Beach, FL around midnight with top winds of 60 mph. The storm caused $30 million in damage. Heavy rains spread northwestward across Alabama with up to three inches reported in the Birmingham area. No precipitation fell at Billings, MT on this date, the first of an August record 22 consecutive days without even a trace of rain. Only 0.01 inches fell during the month, their record driest August. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

2003: Dallas-Fort Worth, Texas: Temperatures soar to 109°F at Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport, surpassing the old record set in 1952. (Ref. WxDoctor)

2005: A camper was slightly injured when a lightning struck a nearby tree at a campground at Lake Robertson, near Collierstown in Rockbridge County, VA. (Ref. Lightning - Virginia Weather History)

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Another day of smoke filled skies. I wonder what it will take for people to realize we have a climate problem. If smoke filled skies doesn’t do it, I am not sure what will. 

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17 hours ago, LibertyBell said:

I've been coughing most of the day, I hope this stuff gets out of here, it's the worst I've seen since 2023.

In Detroit they're telling people to wear masks.

Lots of stuff going on, NJ just had their second quake and we have a Legionnaire's outbreak that has killed 2 people.

Maybe we should all be wearing masks.... and helmets too lol.

 

By me in NJ there is a quarry, which has blasts from time to time. So if it is during the day time I have to ask, "quarry blast, or earthquake?"

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28 minutes ago, psv88 said:

Another day of smoke filled skies. I wonder what it will take for people to realize we have a climate problem. If smoke filled skies doesn’t do it, I am not sure what will. 

But even if we stopped using fossil fuels tomorrow, this problem wouldn't go away in our lifetime.

I'm all for stopping them, but we also need geoengineering.  I see more and more politicians are starting to hold Canada accountable and telling them they have to do something about those forests.  It's one thing to be polluted by our own smoke, it's another thing entirely to have a foreign nation do it.  Hold them accountable and punish them if they don't deal with it and fix the problem (even if that means chopping down a bunch of trees.)

 

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2 hours ago, SACRUS said:

 

Records:

Highs:


EWR: 97 (2001)
NYC: 97 (1955)
LGA: 95 (2018)
JFK: 91 (2010)


Lows:

EWR: 57 (1934)
NYC: 56 (1869)
LGA: 57 (1994)
JFK: 57 (1994)

Historical:


1881: Smoke from Michigan forest fires created a yellow pall over the Northeast. Candles were necessary for light at noontime. (Ref. AccWeather Weather History)

1890 - Thunderstorms left four inches of hail covering the ground in Adair County and Union County in Iowa. The hail drifted into six foot mounds, and in some places remained on the ground for twenty- six days. (The Weather Channel)

1905: Princeton, IN received 10.50 inches of rain, which established a 24-hour maximum precipitation record for the Hoosier State. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

1918 - Unusually hot weather began to overspread the Atlantic Coast States, from the Carolinas to southern New England. The temp- erature soared to an all-time record high of 106 degrees at Washington D.C., and Cumberland and Keedysville hit 109 degrees to establish a state record for Maryland. Temperatures were above normal east of the Rockies that month, with readings much above normal in the Lower Missouri Valley. Omaha NE reached 110 degrees. (David Ludlum)  On this date the highest ever maximum temperature of 107 °F was recorded in Richmond, VA. (Ref. Richmond Weather Records)

 

1947: The city, Sault Ste. Marie, MI hit 98°, equaling their all-time highest temperature. (Ref. AccWeather Weather History)

1959 - A bucket survey showed that thunderstorms dropped 16.70 inches of rain on parts of Decatur County IA. The total was accepted as Iowa's 24 hour rainfall record. (The Weather Channel)

 

1959: Hurricane Dot crossed Kauai in the Hawaiian Islands producing sustained winds of 105 mph with gusts to 125 mph. Over 6 inches of rain fell with over 9 inches on the big island of Hawaii. The sugar cane crop on Kauai sustained $2.7 million in damages.

1961: A severe thunderstorm brought 70 to 100 mph winds to Lake Texoma, OK. The winds caused extensive damage to piers and either damaged or sank more than 100 boats. One person drowned when their boat capsized during the storm. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

1977: Severe thunderstorms produced nearly 20 tornadoes in Sangamon and Christian Counties in central Illinois. Many of these only affected open fields. However, one tornado did cause extensive damage near and east of Chatham. One tornado just south of Lake Springfield was unusual in that it had a clockwise rotation, in contrast to the usual counter-clockwise rotation found in tornadoes. The thunderstorms that produced these tornadoes caused a large swath of destruction from strong winds extending from southwestern Morgan County east to far southwestern Macon County. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

1979: 100° at Salt Lake City, UT tied the record for the date. It was the 5th day of temperatures 100° or hotter. (Ref. AccWeather Weather History)

1986 - Evening thunderstorms produced wind gusts to 100 mph at Winner SD damaging two hundred homes. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

1987 - Afternoon thunderstorms deluged Milwaukee, WI, with 6.84 inches of rain, including more than five inches in two hours, breaking all previous rainfall records for the city. Floodwaters were four feet deep at the Milwaukee County Stadium, and floodwaters filled the basement of the main terminal at the airport. Flooding caused 5.9 million dollars damage, and claimed the life of one person. Death Valley, CA, reported a morning low of 97 degrees. A midday thunderstorm deluged Birmingham AL with nearly six inches of rain in one hour. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

1988 - Severe thunderstorms produced large hail and damaging winds in Pennsylvania and New York State. A cold front crossing the northwestern U.S. produced wind gusts to 66 mph at Livingston MT. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

1989 - Thunderstorms developing ahead of a cold front produced severe weather from northwestern Texas to the Southern Appalachians, and in the northeastern U.S. There were 136 reports of large hail or damaging winds during the day and evening. Thunderstorms in the Southern Plains Region produced tennis ball size hail northwest of Buffalo OK, and wind gusts to 100 mph at Pampa TX. (Storm Data) (The National Weather Summary)

1992: A firefighter was knocked unconscious in Sarasota County, Florida struck by lightning while fighting a fire that was caused by a lightning strike. (Ref. AccWeather Weather History)

1993: Virginia experienced its worst tornado outbreak ever as 18 tornadoes ripped through the state in 5 hours. The most devastating tornado caused severe damage in the historic part of Petersburg. The storm then moved on to Pocahontas Island and into Colonial Heights. There, the storm ripped apart a WalMart store, killing three people and injuring nearly 200. The F4 twister was the first known violent tornado in Virginia history. It killed a total of 4 people and injured 246 along its 12-mile path. Total damages were near $50 million.

 

2001: Tropical Storm Barry moved inland on the Gulf Coast near Fort Walton Beach, FL around midnight with top winds of 60 mph. The storm caused $30 million in damage. Heavy rains spread northwestward across Alabama with up to three inches reported in the Birmingham area. No precipitation fell at Billings, MT on this date, the first of an August record 22 consecutive days without even a trace of rain. Only 0.01 inches fell during the month, their record driest August. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

2003: Dallas-Fort Worth, Texas: Temperatures soar to 109°F at Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport, surpassing the old record set in 1952. (Ref. WxDoctor)

2005: A camper was slightly injured when a lightning struck a nearby tree at a campground at Lake Robertson, near Collierstown in Rockbridge County, VA. (Ref. Lightning - Virginia Weather History)

1918 - Unusually hot weather began to overspread the Atlantic Coast States, from the Carolinas to southern New England. The temp- erature soared to an all-time record high of 106 degrees at Washington D.C., and Cumberland and Keedysville hit 109 degrees to establish a state record for Maryland. Temperatures were above normal east of the Rockies that month, with readings much above normal in the Lower Missouri Valley. Omaha NE reached 110 degrees. (David Ludlum)  On this date the highest ever maximum temperature of 107 °F was recorded in Richmond, VA. (Ref. Richmond Weather Records)

 

This must have been when the historic 104 degrees occurred- back in 1918, right after our coldest winter ever in 1917-18.

 


1881: Smoke from Michigan forest fires created a yellow pall over the Northeast. Candles were necessary for light at noontime. (Ref. AccWeather Weather History)

 

See it's entirely different when the smoke comes from another state vs another country lol

What happened in 1881 to cause this?

 

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4 hours ago, bluewave said:

The story of this summer and much of  the last decade has been the models underestimating the WAR or SE Ridge beyond 5 days. So this has been a repeating model forecast error.

Around August 1st the forecast for August 11-18 had a modest warm up into the 90s. Definately a rebound from the less warm pattern this week.

But now much of the guidance brings back 100° potential again. So you can see this big shift in the models in just 5 days of runs.

New run August 11-18

IMG_4317.thumb.webp.543b9ffcb6d741eb6fb84ace0555b618.webp

Old run 

IMG_4281.thumb.webp.a5381162727b7aede6b6f9c9a783957f.webp

 

Looks like we will be seeing more westerly flow I think this is a cyclic change back to our hotter summers and expect to see more of this in future summers.

 

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2 hours ago, SACRUS said:

 

 

74 /68 mostly cloudy wtih some hazy smoke mixed in.   Clouds and mainly - mostly dry outside a stray shower or drizzle/light rain the next 24 hours.  Clearing tomorrow and setting the stage for a wonderful 3 day period (too bad it wasnt a 3 days holiday weekend) as it looks gorgeous for any beach , outdoor, bbq, pool etc.  Sunny, warm - 80s Fri - Sun/ upper 80s by Sunday.  Flow comes around and expanding heat by Monday which should get the areas back into a widespread 90s for and through Thu or Friday,  perhaps some strong heat Tue/Wed (95+).  Beyond there outside a day or two near / slightly below normal its an overall warm- hot / humid and turning wetter.  With tropics systems activity looking to stay persistent.

8/6 - 8/7: Clouds - smoky front
8/8 - 8/10 :   Great stretch - near normal - sunny - dry -  Amazing summer time weather
8/11 - Beyond :  Warm - Hot / Humid  turning wetter overall - Heat 8/11 - 8/14 (strong heat possible 95+ Tue 8/12 /Wed 8/13)

 

 

GOES19-EUS-02-1000x1000.gif 

 

 

One more day of this tomorrow before we clear out.

I've been keeping my air conditioning on 24/7 it seems to filter out the smoke and keeps me from coughing.

 

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1 hour ago, psv88 said:

Another day of smoke filled skies. I wonder what it will take for people to realize we have a climate problem. If smoke filled skies doesn’t do it, I am not sure what will. 

Nothing will get fixed if people still act like this is a USA problem. 

Just like you won't solve your budget woes by cancelling Netflix while keeping the 800 dollar a month car lease. 

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20 minutes ago, Sundog said:

Nothing will get fixed if people still act like this is a USA problem. 

Just like you won't solve your budget woes by cancelling Netflix while keeping the 800 dollar a month car lease. 

This is so bad bro we're all going to have lung cancer

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1 hour ago, LibertyBell said:

1918 - Unusually hot weather began to overspread the Atlantic Coast States, from the Carolinas to southern New England. The temp- erature soared to an all-time record high of 106 degrees at Washington D.C., and Cumberland and Keedysville hit 109 degrees to establish a state record for Maryland. Temperatures were above normal east of the Rockies that month, with readings much above normal in the Lower Missouri Valley. Omaha NE reached 110 degrees. (David Ludlum)  On this date the highest ever maximum temperature of 107 °F was recorded in Richmond, VA. (Ref. Richmond Weather Records)

 

This must have been when the historic 104 degrees occurred- back in 1918, right after our coldest winter ever in 1917-18.

 


1881: Smoke from Michigan forest fires created a yellow pall over the Northeast. Candles were necessary for light at noontime. (Ref. AccWeather Weather History)

 

See it's entirely different when the smoke comes from another state vs another country lol

What happened in 1881 to cause this?

 

 

As far as 1918 here is Newark

 

August 1918 Newark Weather
Day High (°F) Low (°F) Precip. (inches) Snow (inches)
83 60 0.00 0.0
87 63 0.00 0.0
80 68 0.00 0.0
n/a 61 0.02 0.0
96 65 0.00 0.0
95 78 0.00 0.0
105 79 0.00 0.0
98 79 0.00 0.0
90 77 0.00 0.0
n/a 67 0.22 0.0
70 64 0.64 0.0
85 69 0.50 0.0
94 70 0.00 0.0
97 75 0.09 0.0
86 67 0.00 0.0
87 65 0.00 0.0
79 64 0.00 0.0
73 57 0.00 0.0
76 59 0.00 0.0
82 60 0.00 0.0
84 58 0.00 0.0
89 62 0.03 0.0
91 67 0.00 0.0
89 66 0.00 0.0
80 73 0.00 0.0
87 73 0.00 0.0
83 69 0.00 0.0
75 58 0.00 0.0
85 69 0.99 0.0
87 63 0.00 0.0
79 63 0.45 0.0

September 1918 Newark Weather
Day High (°F) Low (°F) Precip. (inches) Snow (inches)
80 69 0.00 0.0
79 59 0.00 0.0
77 59 0.00 0.0
81 66 0.00 0.0
78 65 0.00 0.0
71 n/a 0.01 0.0
71 57 0.02 0.0
n/a 55 0.06 0.0
77 n/a 0.00 0.0
79 56 0.00 0.0
66 56 0.00 0.0
71 58 0.16 0.0
74 60 0.05 0.0
74 53 0.00 0.0
75 51 0.00 0.0
81 56 0.00 0.0
81 60 0.00 0.0
63 54 1.50 0.0
80 53 0.00 0.0
71 48 0.70 0.0
62 45 0.22 0.0
62 46 0.00 0.0
68 51 0.00 0.0
66 58 0.00 0.0
63 45 0.00 0.0
67 43 0.04 0.0
64 42 0.00 0.0
72 45 0.00 0.0
71 47 0.00 0.0
68 45 0.06 0.0

 

 

NYC

July 1918 New York City Weather
Day High (°F) Low (°F) Precip. (inches) Snow (inches)
78 65 0.50 0.0
70 60 0.00 0.0
81 57 0.00 0.0
80 63 0.00 0.0
85 64 0.00 0.0
77 65 0.33 0.0
79 63 0.00 0.0
72 60 0.00 0.0
73 60 0.00 0.0
81 63 0.13 0.0
81 62 0.05 0.0
83 62 0.00 0.0
76 65 0.00 0.0
81 64 0.09 0.0
88 63 0.00 0.0
90 68 0.00 0.0
76 68 0.06 0.0
85 64 0.00 0.0
84 71 0.20 0.0
90 69 0.00 0.0
95 71 0.00 0.0
98 75 0.00 0.0
95 77 0.00 0.0
88 74 0.00 0.0
77 70 0.00 0.0
81 68 0.00 0.0
87 72 0.00 0.0
89 71 0.00 0.0
87 74 0.00 0.0
86 68 2.00 0.0
70 64 1.00 0.0
August 1918 New York City Weather
Day High (°F) Low (°F) Precip. (inches) Snow (inches)
82 61 0.00 0.0
86 66 0.00 0.0
79 67 0.00 0.0
76 62 0.10 0.0
95 69 0.30 0.0
96 80 0.00 0.0
104 82 0.00 0.0
94 77 0.24 0.0
90 76 0.00 0.0
76 66 0.14 0.0
71 64 0.54 0.0
85 71 0.16 0.0
92 72 0.00 0.0
96 75 0.08 0.0
85 67 0.00 0.0
85 65 0.00 0.0
76 65 0.00 0.0
72 59 0.00 0.0
75 63 0.00 0.0
82 60 0.00 0.0
84 64 0.00 0.0
89 67 0.00 0.0
91 69 0.00 0.0
87 70 0.00 0.0
80 74 0.00 0.0
88 73 0.00 0.0
81 68 0.00 0.0
76 65 0.00 0.0
84 70 0.59 0.0
83 65 0.00 0.0
80 68 0.28 0.0
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1 hour ago, LibertyBell said:

Looks like we will be seeing more westerly flow I think this is a cyclic change back to our hotter summers and expect to see more of this in future summers.

 

The westerly flow blows the smoke back into Canada but brings back the swampy humidity. So we have a choice between waves of smoke during the drier conditions or 75+ dews. 

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32 minutes ago, jm1220 said:

The westerly flow blows the smoke back into Canada but brings back the swampy humidity. So we have a choice between waves of smoke during the drier conditions or 75+ dews. 

I'll take the smoke

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1 hour ago, LibertyBell said:

But even if we stopped using fossil fuels tomorrow, this problem wouldn't go away in our lifetime.

I'm all for stopping them, but we also need geoengineering.  I see more and more politicians are starting to hold Canada accountable and telling them they have to do something about those forests.  It's one thing to be polluted by our own smoke, it's another thing entirely to have a foreign nation do it.  Hold them accountable and punish them if they don't deal with it and fix the problem (even if that means chopping down a bunch of trees.)

 

A handful of U.S. representatives did so, but they are deflecting from their own policy responsibility. Tom Tiffany and Glenn Grothman of Wisconsin and Michelle Fischbach, Brad Finstad, Pete Stauber and Tom Emmer of Minnesota signed a letter to Canada's Ambassador to the U.S. complaining about Canada's wildfire smoke. All but Stauber reject the reality of climate change. Stauber claims to accept it but to want a technology-based solution rather than fossil fuel phaseout, but even that position isn't credible. He voted in favor of this year's reconciliation bill that guts the technology-based climate solutions from the Inflation Reduction Act. They are posturing. 

Finally, regarding geoengineering with its attendant risks (e.g., impact on India's monsoon season) and limitations (does nothing to stop ocean acidification), if the world's nations cannot agree on a binding straightforward solution to a basic physics problem behind the causes of climate change, it's highly unlikely that they would agree to a more complex agreement on geoengineering that would set food-sharing provisions e.g., if India's monsoon fails, other set binding approaches for addressing other major contingencies that could arise. Moreover, the caliber of the world's leaders doesn't compare to those of the 1980s or 1990s when the acid rain and ozone issues were addressed and the international processes e.g., COP conferences, are corrupted by allowing major polluters full standing to shape the outcomes.

 

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5 minutes ago, donsutherland1 said:

A handful of U.S. representatives did so, but they are deflecting from their own policy responsibility. Tom Tiffany and Glenn Grothman of Wisconsin and Michelle Fischbach, Brad Finstad, Pete Stauber and Tom Emmer of Minnesota signed a letter to Canada's Ambassador to the U.S. complaining about Canada's wildfire smoke. All but Stauber reject the reality of climate change. Stauber claims to accept it but to want a technology-based solution rather than fossil fuel phaseout, but even that position isn't credible. He voted in favor of this year's reconciliation bill that guts the technology-based climate solutions from the Inflation Reduction Act. They are posturing. 

Finally, regarding geoengineering with its attendant risks (e.g., impact on India's monsoon season) and limitations (does nothing to stop ocean acidification), if the world's nations cannot agree on a binding straightforward solution to a basic physics problem behind the causes of climate change, it's highly unlikely that they would agree to a more complex agreement on geoengineering that would set food-sharing provisions e.g., if India's monsoon fails, other set binding approaches for addressing other major contingencies that could arise. Moreover, the caliber of the world's leaders doesn't compare to those of the 1980s or 1990s when the acid rain and ozone issues were addressed and the international processes e.g., COP conferences, are corrupted by allowing major polluters full standing to shape the outcomes.

 

Don I'm interested only in solutions that have a possibility of working. 

The USA going carbon neutral TOMORROW won't solve this problem. 

The USA can geoengineer the solution on its own. Why do we need their permission?

Does China ask us for permission to pollute the atmosphere? Did they ask permission to build roughly 250 coal plants over the last 10 years?

Who's to say the aerosols caused the monsoon to fail? Why can't it be greenhouse gas induced climate change that did it?

Nothing will get solved as long as 90% of the problem lies outside the USA's borders.  

If they can pollute the atmosphere freely, then we can inject aerosols into it if we want to as well. 

 

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