Summer Banter/LibertyBell

[Brian5671]

15 hours ago, Rjay said:

They should scrap the gfs 

I'd let it run out to 5 days but day 6-15 should be scrapped-total garbage 

[LibertyBell]

2 hours ago, doncat said:

Station stats for June... Tied for 6th warmest past 48 years ( last year was warmest ). 3rd driest with 1.47" rain . I think that the last 10 months going back to September was quite possibly the boringest stretch of weather I can remember. Four of those months had record or near record dryness .

record dryness is also historic.... getting completely shutout of rain last October was momentous!!

[JonClaw]

I see the pol thread got nuked lol

[Santa Claus]

the dryness of the air reminds one of autumn, of the shortening days, the return to school.  it’s independence day but might as well be 6:30 pm on football sunday.  soon the ticking of the 60 Minutes clock will end my weekend, and there’s still so much homework i have been ignoring

[coastalplainsnowman]

Supposed to go to the Jersey Shore this coming week.  Yesterday morning, forecasts had chance of rain under 5% for early in the week. "What could mess that up, so close to next week?", thought I.  Wake up this morning to see the chance of rain is now over 70% each day.  Of course!  There's a ^$!#@&* tropical depression that's threatening to wreck my plans.  Credible!  Believeable!

[LibertyBell]

2 hours ago, coastalplainsnowman said:

Supposed to go to the Jersey Shore this coming week.  Yesterday morning, forecasts had chance of rain under 5% for early in the week. "What could mess that up, so close to next week?", thought I.  Wake up this morning to see the chance of rain is now over 70% each day.  Of course!  There's a ^$!#@&* tropical depression that's threatening to wreck my plans.  Credible!  Believeable!

Yeah thats why I said we might have days of rain starting Tuesday, now it looks like it might begin Monday =\

 

[jm1220]

What a catastrophic situation in central TX. The area from Austin to San Antonio and north in the Hill Country is probably the worst in the nation for flash floods. There's tons of moisture from the Gulf and remnants of Barry, long term drought so the soil is hard as a rock and the water has to runoff, and the hilly terrain which rushes the water into relatively small creeks and then larger rivers. Some places reported over 20" in this event and it's still raining. I can remember how bad it got in May 2015 when I was there and Wimberley was devastated by one of these fast moving floods coming down from the hills, and water rushed through downtown Austin on Memorial Day. But this is even worse. 

[LibertyBell]

1 hour ago, jm1220 said:

What a catastrophic situation in central TX. The area from Austin to San Antonio and north in the Hill Country is probably the worst in the nation for flash floods. There's tons of moisture from the Gulf and remnants of Barry, long term drought so the soil is hard as a rock and the water has to runoff, and the hilly terrain which rushes the water into relatively small creeks and then larger rivers. Some places reported over 20" in this event and it's still raining. I can remember how bad it got in May 2015 when I was there and Wimberley was devastated by one of these fast moving floods coming down from the hills, and water rushed through downtown Austin on Memorial Day. But this is even worse. 

It's the worst weather disaster we've had in MANY years, flooding can be really deadly.  Sometimes I wish that they would just dam up rivers that are prone to this kind of flooding.

[SRRTA22]

They need to just replace the mt holly radar at this point

[jm1220]

7 hours ago, LibertyBell said:

It's the worst weather disaster we've had in MANY years, flooding can be really deadly.  Sometimes I wish that they would just dam up rivers that are prone to this kind of flooding.

They do, the Colorado River which goes through Austin has numerous dams that were put in as a result of floods over the years. Problem is this was so localized and stalled out so it couldn’t be diverted in time. 

[LibertyBell]

29 minutes ago, jm1220 said:

They do, the Colorado River which goes through Austin has numerous dams that were put in as a result of floods over the years. Problem is this was so localized and stalled out so it couldn’t be diverted in time. 

Social media is going wild right now about artificially generated storms that do not move and Grok isn't helping by stating that rain in Texas is artificially generated lmao.

The good thing is people want to hold government accountable for these disasters, it's about time.

 

https://x.com/grok/status/1941888242129002986

Yes, weather modification via cloud seeding is practiced in the US to enhance rainfall and suppress hail. In Texas, seven active programs cover ~31 million acres, overseen by the Texas Department of Licensing and Regulation. Recent bills aim to restrict it, like Sen. Hughes' SB 1154 (March 2025). It's not "chemtrails," which are a myth. Sources: TDLR, GAO report.

[LongBeachSurfFreak]

3 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

Social media is going wild right now about artificially generated storms that do not move and Grok isn't helping by stating that rain in Texas is artificially generated lmao.

The good thing is people want to hold government accountable for these disasters, it's about time.

 

https://x.com/grok/status/1941888242129002986

Yes, weather modification via cloud seeding is practiced in the US to enhance rainfall and suppress hail. In Texas, seven active programs cover ~31 million acres, overseen by the Texas Department of Licensing and Regulation. Recent bills aim to restrict it, like Sen. Hughes' SB 1154 (March 2025). It's not "chemtrails," which are a myth. Sources: TDLR, GAO report.

That’s complete and utter bullshit. I love how there is zero explanation of how it is accomplished. Just implied that the government is aiming to effect the weather. The reality is the complete opposite. But I’m not going to go there as it touches on politics. 

[LibertyBell]

3 minutes ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said:

That’s complete and utter bullshit. I love how there is zero explanation of how it is accomplished. Just implied that the government is aiming to effect the weather. The reality is the complete opposite. But I’m not going to go there as it touches on politics. 

You can hold government accountable for aiding and abetting climate change though.  Even if it's done in this way, showing rage at greedy institutions isn't a bad thing.  The government of Texas is utter crap and their hypocritical *empathy* when all they care about is making money should make them think twice before backing the fossil fuel cartels. It's similar to their position on gun control when school shootings happen.  It's more about climate change than it is politics (although maybe some of these people don't believe in climate change, which is ironic lol.)

 

[LongBeachSurfFreak]

1 minute ago, LibertyBell said:

You can hold government accountable for aiding and abetting climate change though.  Even if it's done in this way, showing rage at greedy institutions isn't a bad thing.  The government of Texas is utter crap and their hypocritical *empathy* when all they care about is making money should make them think twice before backing the fossil fuel cartels. It's more about climate change than it is politics (although maybe some of these people don't believe in climate change, which is ironic lol.)

 

Yeah I agree with all that, climate change most certainly makes these flood disasters more likely. I’m referring more to defunding research and cloud seeding is prohibitively expensive. So there is no way it’s happening on a large scale. It was tried with hurricanes in the 50/60s with silver iodide with limited results. 

[LibertyBell]

Just now, LongBeachSurfFreak said:

Yeah I agree with all that, climate change most certainly makes these flood disasters more likely. I’m referring more to defunding research and cloud seeding is prohibitively expensive. So there is no way it’s happening on a large scale. It was tried with hurricanes in the 50/60s with silver iodide with limited results. 

Yep it's a big waste of money.  I think China tried it too.  Anyone who has tried it realizes it costs more money than any benefits it produces.

[jm1220]

1 hour ago, LibertyBell said:

Social media is going wild right now about artificially generated storms that do not move and Grok isn't helping by stating that rain in Texas is artificially generated lmao.

The good thing is people want to hold government accountable for these disasters, it's about time.

 

https://x.com/grok/status/1941888242129002986

Yes, weather modification via cloud seeding is practiced in the US to enhance rainfall and suppress hail. In Texas, seven active programs cover ~31 million acres, overseen by the Texas Department of Licensing and Regulation. Recent bills aim to restrict it, like Sen. Hughes' SB 1154 (March 2025). It's not "chemtrails," which are a myth. Sources: TDLR, GAO report.

This happened in the middle of the night, the storms stalled out because there’s no trough nearby to expedite getting Barry’s remnants out, and the terrain/rock hard ground problem exacerbated it. It had zero to do with “weather modification”. I wasn’t paying enough attention to see if the NWS dropped the ball and the funding cuts are obviously a huge outrage and problem, but this is KNOWN to be a major problem in Central TX especially. There was 16” of rain in one morning in Austin from the remnants of Hurricane Patricia in Oct 2015 which is bar none the heaviest rain I’ve ever seen. Likely even puts Ida to shame. The Austin to San Antonio corridor is known to get tons of rain in a short period of time, but is otherwise pretty dry. And when it falls over the limestone Hill Country, it rampages down the hills into small creeks and as we see here, even the larger rivers can be overwhelmed fast. 

[LibertyBell]

1 hour ago, jm1220 said:

This happened in the middle of the night, the storms stalled out because there’s no trough nearby to expedite getting Barry’s remnants out, and the terrain/rock hard ground problem exacerbated it. It had zero to do with “weather modification”. I wasn’t paying enough attention to see if the NWS dropped the ball and the funding cuts are obviously a huge outrage and problem, but this is KNOWN to be a major problem in Central TX especially. There was 16” of rain in one morning in Austin from the remnants of Hurricane Patricia in Oct 2015 which is bar none the heaviest rain I’ve ever seen. Likely even puts Ida to shame. The Austin to San Antonio corridor is known to get tons of rain in a short period of time, but is otherwise pretty dry. And when it falls over the limestone Hill Country, it rampages down the hills into small creeks and as we see here, even the larger rivers can be overwhelmed fast. 

That 26 foot rise on that river in one hour was pretty crazy, I'm not sure if there was much that could have been done.  They did have flash flood warnings out from what I read, but the expectation was for 4-6 inches of rain not the 20+ inches that actually happened.  That's where I think climate change comes in, a warmer atmosphere holds more moisture and thus makes events like these more likely.

 

[Santa Claus]

7 hours ago, jm1220 said:

This happened in the middle of the night, the storms stalled out because there’s no trough nearby to expedite getting Barry’s remnants out, and the terrain/rock hard ground problem exacerbated it. It had zero to do with “weather modification”. I wasn’t paying enough attention to see if the NWS dropped the ball and the funding cuts are obviously a huge outrage and problem, but this is KNOWN to be a major problem in Central TX especially. There was 16” of rain in one morning in Austin from the remnants of Hurricane Patricia in Oct 2015 which is bar none the heaviest rain I’ve ever seen. Likely even puts Ida to shame. The Austin to San Antonio corridor is known to get tons of rain in a short period of time, but is otherwise pretty dry. And when it falls over the limestone Hill Country, it rampages down the hills into small creeks and as we see here, even the larger rivers can be overwhelmed fast. 

ok but have you considered that’s just what they want you to think

[gravitylover]

7 hours ago, jm1220 said:

This happened in the middle of the night, the storms stalled out because there’s no trough nearby to expedite getting Barry’s remnants out, and the terrain/rock hard ground problem exacerbated it. It had zero to do with “weather modification”. I wasn’t paying enough attention to see if the NWS dropped the ball and the funding cuts are obviously a huge outrage and problem, but this is KNOWN to be a major problem in Central TX especially. There was 16” of rain in one morning in Austin from the remnants of Hurricane Patricia in Oct 2015 which is bar none the heaviest rain I’ve ever seen. Likely even puts Ida to shame. The Austin to San Antonio corridor is known to get tons of rain in a short period of time, but is otherwise pretty dry. And when it falls over the limestone Hill Country, it rampages down the hills into small creeks and as we see here, even the larger rivers can be overwhelmed fast. 

Hmmm I guess that's why there's all those mostly flat, easy to build on FLOODPLAINS along those bigger rivers. I guess that got away from them.

[weatherpruf]

On 6/30/2025 at 9:45 AM, donsutherland1 said:

I’ve often seen the bald eagles along the Delaware River when I visit my sister in Milford.

i see them right here in the local park. they are in all counties in nj now; you can spot them in raritan near the landfills too. 

[Dark Star]

9 hours ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said:

Yeah I agree with all that, climate change most certainly makes these flood disasters more likely. I’m referring more to defunding research and cloud seeding is prohibitively expensive. So there is no way it’s happening on a large scale. It was tried with hurricanes in the 50/60s with silver iodide with limited results. 

In general, global warming does lend itself to providing more moisture, but certainly every event cannot be blamed on that.  Floods have been happening since the beginning of time.  A large portion of society have flocked to live in coastal areas.  Others inhabit areas below sea level.  And our population keeps encroaching on what used to be rural areas, so more and more people are affected by bad weather.  I can't believe anybody on this site believes in "Chemtrails"...

[Sundog]

1 hour ago, Dark Star said:

In general, global warming does lend itself to providing more moisture, but certainly every event cannot be blamed on that.  Floods have been happening since the beginning of time.  A large portion of society have flocked to live in coastal areas.  Others inhabit areas below sea level.  And our population keeps encroaching on what used to be rural areas, so more and more people are affected by bad weather.  I can't believe anybody on this site believes in "Chemtrails"...

People who believe in chemtrails on a weather board are like astronomers who believe in flat earth. 

I guess they never bothered to learn what the "con" in contrails stands for lol

[jm1220]

2 hours ago, Santa Claus said:

ok but have you considered that’s just what they want you to think

Who are “they” and what do “they” want me to think? 

[Santa Claus]

3 hours ago, jm1220 said:

Who are “they” and what do “they” want me to think? 

exactly 

[LibertyBell]

15 hours ago, Sundog said:

People who believe in chemtrails on a weather board are like astronomers who believe in flat earth. 

I guess they never bothered to learn what the "con" in contrails stands for lol

someone somehow mistook contrails for chemtrails.

Contrails are real chemtrails are not.

[LibertyBell]

16 hours ago, Dark Star said:

In general, global warming does lend itself to providing more moisture, but certainly every event cannot be blamed on that.  Floods have been happening since the beginning of time.  A large portion of society have flocked to live in coastal areas.  Others inhabit areas below sea level.  And our population keeps encroaching on what used to be rural areas, so more and more people are affected by bad weather.  I can't believe anybody on this site believes in "Chemtrails"...

converting all this useless excess water vapor to drinking water would benefit us all (and the first such projects have already begun.)

[LibertyBell]

16 hours ago, weatherpruf said:

i see them right here in the local park. they are in all counties in nj now; you can spot them in raritan near the landfills too. 

Being near landfills isn't a good thing for human or beast.

[FPizz]

17 hours ago, weatherpruf said:

i see them right here in the local park. they are in all counties in nj now; you can spot them in raritan near the landfills too. 

The Raritan and lots of its tributaries are in my local area.  There are several eagle nest cams around my area as well. I see them fairly often flying around and have had a few perched on trees in my yard over the years.  

[jm1220]

On 7/6/2025 at 9:36 PM, jm1220 said:

What a catastrophic situation in central TX. The area from Austin to San Antonio and north in the Hill Country is probably the worst in the nation for flash floods. There's tons of moisture from the Gulf and remnants of Barry, long term drought so the soil is hard as a rock and the water has to runoff, and the hilly terrain which rushes the water into relatively small creeks and then larger rivers. Some places reported over 20" in this event and it's still raining. I can remember how bad it got in May 2015 when I was there and Wimberley was devastated by one of these fast moving floods coming down from the hills, and water rushed through downtown Austin on Memorial Day. But this is even worse. 

This will clearly be one of the worst flash flood events in our nation’s history. Death toll up to 119, many of whom are children and well over 100 still missing (hopefully these are mostly double counted or not reported found yet). Heartbreaking and devastating. Seems like the campgrounds were out of cell phone coverage so they didn’t get the automated warning from the NWS and didn’t have a weather radio. 

[Brian5671]

1 hour ago, jm1220 said:

This will clearly be one of the worst flash flood events in our nation’s history. Death toll up to 119, many of whom are children and well over 100 still missing (hopefully these are mostly double counted or not reported found yet). Heartbreaking and devastating. Seems like the campgrounds were out of cell phone coverage so they didn’t get the automated warning from the NWS and didn’t have a weather radio. 

that's surprising that the director didn't have WIFI or some sort of internet connection....I can see that the camp didn't it's in a very remote area