Extended summer stormlover74 future snow hole banter thread 23

[JerseyWx]

2 hours ago, Stormlover74 said:

Yeah people forget this is what spring is usually like. It hasn't been overly wet despite the cloudy dreary cool days

Yeah but we've had more clouds and days with rain than normal, even going back to last summer.  It's not necessarily a lot of rain in terms of totals, but days and days of smaller amounts.  I remember plenty of springs that were dry and the pollen really began to build up.  I still want to see a graph with cloudy days going back to last June.  Guarantee it's way above normal.

[LibertyBell]

A town in NJ has just gotten USDA permission to mass gas Canada geese during molting season when they can't fly   what a travesty.... good thing is that the mayor has responded to mass criticism of this plan and said he will pursue nonlethal methods first.  Including oral contraceptives which is what's been used on pigeons here.

Pity the moron midget mayor billionaire Bloomberg didn't try other methods before he mass gassed the geese in our parks years ago.

 

[LibertyBell]

5 hours ago, Stormlover74 said:

Yeah people forget this is what spring is usually like. It hasn't been overly wet despite the cloudy dreary cool days

it's the worst season of the year, but our springs in the 90s were MUCH better.

We're in the midatlantic not new england it isn't supposed to be like this. If we're going to get 10" of snow in the winter, in exchange we should get warm sunny dry springs.

 

[LibertyBell]

5 hours ago, Stormlover74 said:

Yeah parts of the area have had quite a bit. Ewr is still below 1.5"

no one really cares about rainfall, we all want more sunshine.

[Dark Star]

0.01" of rain in Linden NJ for May 16th.  Somehow I think the forecast was a tad off?  Then again, the NWS has been changing their forecasts so often lately, that they might have had it right on one of the revisions...

[Dark Star]

On 5/15/2024 at 4:37 PM, LibertyBell said:

A town in NJ has just gotten USDA permission to mass gas Canada geese during molting season when they can't fly   what a travesty.... good thing is that the mayor has responded to mass criticism of this plan and said he will pursue nonlethal methods first.  Including oral contraceptives which is what's been used on pigeons here.

Pity the moron midget mayor billionaire Bloomberg didn't try other methods before he mass gassed the geese in our parks years ago.

 

I am NOT putting condoms on Geese.  

[LibertyBell]

20 minutes ago, Dark Star said:

I am NOT putting condoms on Geese.  

LMAO

[rclab]

1 hour ago, Dark Star said:

I am NOT putting condoms on Geese.  

Thank you Dark Star. No search needed this time. Pictorial imagination was enough. Stay safe, as always ….

[Nibor]

On 5/17/2024 at 7:44 AM, Dark Star said:

I am NOT putting condoms on Geese.  

Wow. Way to not care about safe sex, bro. Sigh...

[donsutherland1]

Leaf patterns at the New York Botanical Garden:

[LibertyBell]

11 hours ago, donsutherland1 said:

Leaf patterns at the New York Botanical Garden:

I didn't know it covered 250 acres and they have an Alice in Wonderland themed giant topiary going on there? I am partial to the giant March Hare topiary!

Question-- why is it called New York Botanical Garden when it's in The Bronx? Why not call it The Bronx Botanical Garden? We have one in Brooklyn and it's called The Brooklyn Botanical Garden.

 

[LibertyBell]

FYI Since we are talking about plants and flowers, I just got this ultraviolet pass filter to see hidden markings on flowers.  More details can be found on this page:

 

http://www.virtualherbarium.org/GardenViews/BeesEyeView.html

 

 

 

Bees Eye View

Scott Zona, Ph.D., Former Palm Biologist

http://www.virtualherbarium.org/images/BeesEyeView5.jpg

For some time, biologists have known that bees perceive light differently than humans do. What we see as visible light is a small portion of the electromagnetic spectrum and consists of a mixture of different colored light. Color is determined by the light's wavelength, which ranges from violet (400 nm wavelength) to red (700 nm). We are unable to see other portions of the spectrum, such as ultraviolet or infrared. Bees, on the other hand, see a portion of the spectrum shifted toward shorter wavelengths. Their eyes perceive yellows, greens, blues and purples as we do, but they also perceive ultraviolet (UV) light (180-400 nm). Bees do not perceive the red portion of the visible spectrum.

http://www.virtualherbarium.org/images/BeesEyeView1.jpg
What we see	What the bee sees

Because their eyes are so different from ours, we can only approximate how bees see flowers. By using photographic equipment, we can visualize some components of bee vision that are normally invisible to us, namely the reflection or absorption of UV radiation. Plants contain chemicals that either reflect or absorb electromagnetic radiation, including UV, visible, and infrared (which we cannot see but we can feel as heat). Sunlight's UV radiation is absorbed, partially absorbed, or reflected by flowers and can be captured on black and white photographic film or with a digital camera, using special filters. In the resulting photograph, reflected UV appears white, and absorbed UV appears dark. Partially absorbed UV appears gray.

The two photos shown here are of a locally common weed, Achmella pilosa, in the sunflower family (Asteraceae). The photo on the left was taken in sunlight without any special filter, using a Minolta DiMAGE 7Hi digital camera. The right-hand photo was subsequently taken with a Wratten 18AUV filter attached to the camera. Typical of the sunflower family, Achmella has the common daisy-type “flower” (inflorescence) that is actually a group of two different kinds of flowers. The outer “petals” are individual flowers, called ray flowers. The central eye is a cluster of small flowers called disk flowers. Together, these two kinds of flowers make up the inflorescence we commonly call daisies or sunflowers. Achmella pilosa exhibits a common phenomenon seen in many Asteraceae: the bull's eye pattern formed by UV-reflecting ray flowers and UV-absorbing disk flowers. The pattern helps bees locate and land on the flowers. Plants need bees to carry pollen from one flower to another, and UV patterns expedite the process.

 

[donsutherland1]

5 hours ago, LibertyBell said:

I didn't know it covered 250 acres and they have an Alice in Wonderland themed giant topiary going on there? I am partial to the giant March Hare topiary!

Question-- why is it called New York Botanical Garden when it's in The Bronx? Why not call it The Bronx Botanical Garden? We have one in Brooklyn and it's called The Brooklyn Botanical Garden.

 

The Garden was established by the New York State Legislature in 1891. The best land available at the time was in the Bronx.

[Stormlover74]

Nasty line of storms in KS. Another potential derecho event. 90 mph winds 

[donsutherland1]

14 hours ago, LibertyBell said:

I didn't know it covered 250 acres and they have an Alice in Wonderland themed giant topiary going on there? I am partial to the giant March Hare topiary!

Question-- why is it called New York Botanical Garden when it's in The Bronx? Why not call it The Bronx Botanical Garden? We have one in Brooklyn and it's called The Brooklyn Botanical Garden.

 

Some images related to the Alice in Wonderland theme:

Note: The bricks are made from mushrooms

[LibertyBell]

9 hours ago, donsutherland1 said:

Some images related to the Alice in Wonderland theme:

Note: The bricks are made from mushrooms

wow thanks Don, these are absolutely amazing!

[LibertyBell]

Purple Clematis

 

[rclab]

16 hours ago, donsutherland1 said:

Some images related to the Alice in Wonderland theme:

Note: The bricks are made from mushrooms

Magnificent photos Don. I hope the fellow in the last photo puts out a cold season forecast. Liberty as to your question I guess it’s the same reason the Bronx bombers are called the New York Yankees. Or it may have been the first one established in the city ergo the name. Not sure because I didn’t search. Stay well all, as always ….

[LibertyBell]

On 5/19/2024 at 9:59 PM, donsutherland1 said:

Some images related to the Alice in Wonderland theme:

Note: The bricks are made from mushrooms

Thanks so much Don, if you have more pictures of that magical place, please feel free to share!  It doesn't even feel like being in the city or even in New York, to be there!

[donsutherland1]

7 hours ago, LibertyBell said:

Thanks so much Don, if you have more pictures of that magical place, please feel free to share!  It doesn't even feel like being in the city or even in New York, to be there!

I will get more pictures in coming weeks.

[donsutherland1]

Some are now trying to recast Winter 2023-2024 as "one of the coldest on record" in the Northeastern U.S. In fact, Winter 2023-2024 edged out Winter 2001-2002 as the warmest on record in the Northeast. It was also among the least snowy ones on record. As a result, Boston reached 816 consecutive days without 4" daily snowfall today (old record: 711 days).

[FPizz]

6 minutes ago, donsutherland1 said:

Some are now trying to recast Winter 2023-2024 as "one of the coldest on record" in the Northeastern U.S. In fact, Winter 2023-2024 edged out Winter 2001-2002 as the warmest on record in the Northeast. It was also among the least snowy ones on record. As a result, Boston reached 816 consecutive days without 4" daily snowfall today (old record: 711 days).

This is one random person who's post got 3 likes and less than 500 views in 10+ hours?  I wouldn't say "some", it is one post plucked randomly.  

[Stormlover74]

Big tornado in Iowa 

[Volcanic Winter]

Was just thinking about when we’d see the next EF5. I had heard / read some criticisms that the NWS essentially redefined the damage necessary to classify a tornado as an EF5 as to be almost impossible. Basically it was stated that many historic EF and F5’s would be an EF4 with the new survey methods employed. 

Don’t know how valid that is, but the arguments I saw made sense in context and with examples. 

A few of the EF4’s since Moore would probably have been an EF5 with the less strict survey methods. 

[donsutherland1]

21 hours ago, LibertyBell said:

Thanks so much Don, if you have more pictures of that magical place, please feel free to share!  It doesn't even feel like being in the city or even in New York, to be there!

Three more photos:

[Volcanic Winter]

Iowa tornado from today:

This is one of the most impressive multi-vortex structures I've ever seen since El Reno.

[LibertyBell]

4 hours ago, donsutherland1 said:

Three more photos:

wow thanks Don, these are absolutely stunning!

I wonder what the Cheshire Cat looks like :-)

[LibertyBell]

4 hours ago, Volcanic Winter said:

Was just thinking about when we’d see the next EF5. I had heard / read some criticisms that the NWS essentially redefined the damage necessary to classify a tornado as an EF5 as to be almost impossible. Basically it was stated that many historic EF and F5’s would be an EF4 with the new survey methods employed. 

Don’t know how valid that is, but the arguments I saw made sense in context and with examples. 

A few of the EF4’s since Moore would probably have been an EF5 with the less strict survey methods. 

No one has been able to answer this for me.... why did they create an entirely new scale? Why not just plug in the EF values into the old F scale, I actually like that scale much better.

 

[LibertyBell]

4 hours ago, Volcanic Winter said:

Iowa tornado from today:

This is one of the most impressive multi-vortex structures I've ever seen since El Reno.

So glad I don't live in that part of the country-- for multiple reasons lol.

[Volcanic Winter]

4 hours ago, LibertyBell said:

No one has been able to answer this for me.... why did they create an entirely new scale? Why not just plug in the EF values into the old F scale, I actually like that scale much better.

 

As best I understand it was due to engineering reasons, they determined the old F rating wind speeds were exaggerated for the damage they indicated (IE lesser winds produced equivalent damage). Hence they changed to the Enhanced Fujita. 
 

However I heard somewhere after the April 2011 super outbreak they began changing the criteria / damage thresholds that would allow a tornado to be classified as an EF5, and I heard essentially that the requirements are so strict as to be nearly impossible. It had lots of engineering arguments that are above me, but I thought it was interesting. They were suggesting we wouldn’t be seeing many EF5’s in the future with this new method solely for giving out an EF5 rating. Again, don’t know how ultimately valid this is but it was compellingly presented. I’ll look for the page I saw this on and link it if I can come across it. Has a lot of analysis of the mid to late 2010’s EF4’s that maybe could’ve been EF5 strength.