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7 minutes ago, HoarfrostHubb said:

Regarding the truck drivers... the shortage was starting before the pandemic.  I recall reading articles about a looming shortage due to retirements and not being able to replace them, several years ago.  The pandemic sped that up quite a bit.

 

Apparently hard working jobs are below the upcoming work force. All the coding jobs are full

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1 minute ago, TauntonBlizzard2013 said:

My new gig is 6% raises every July for at least the next 10 years. I’ve personally never seen that type of increase, but I’m happy to get it 

The great economic reshuffle.  In the end many are just finally getting the increases that might not have happened for years past in certain industries.  Those years of even 0% cost of living increases or where 3% was the most you’d get regardless of performance .

Supply and demand are still the single largest economic factors.  A lot of people retired or left the workforce earlier than planned too with COVID.

Companies have been forced to pay to compete for employees… now is a very good time to be good at your job and show anyone above you that you are worth it. Because opportunities are sky high.  The replacement cost of losing an employee is exorbitant right now.  That gives everyone working leverage.

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12 minutes ago, snowman21 said:

The U.S. already has socialism. Almost every country on earth does. I guess Americans just don't work as hard as our peers in other first world countries that have a substantially better quality of life. Get back to the fields and mines you lazy Americans ! Time to bring China's 996 work week to America.

So it's not capitalism that is failing as Forks says it's socialism?  You obviously don't understand how capitalistic societies also can help the underprivileged members by enabling them to move upward through job training, financial assistance while times are tough. Welfare was not created to be a lifelong job it was created to assist until people could get back on their feet. What we need is more opportunities for the downtrodden. But we also need motivation to work not just handing out money, there has to be a string attached. 

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7 minutes ago, Ginx snewx said:

Apparently hard working jobs are below the upcoming work force. All the coding jobs are full

It’s the years and years of parents, teachers, Hollywood, TV shows, career counselors, etc telling youngsters they are worth more.  Even parents who are truck drivers tell their kids they want better for them, don’t do what I did.

Its years of brainwashing essentially that you are better than that.  Blue collar parents wanting their kids to not follow their footprints.

I think it’s more than just saying people now in days are above those positions.  They were taught by everyone (even truck drivers) to be above that.

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19 minutes ago, forkyfork said:

let's see some graphs

The annual inflation rate in the US edged up to a 13-year high of 5.4% in September of 2021 from 5.3% in August and above market expectations of 5.3%. Main upward pressure came from cost of shelter (3.2% vs 2.8% in August); food (4.6% vs 3.7%, the highest since December of 2011), namely food at home (4.5% vs 3%); new vehicles (8.7% vs 7.6%); and energy (24.8% vs 25%)

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7 minutes ago, Ginx snewx said:

So it's not capitalism that is failing as Forks says it's socialism?  You obviously don't understand how capitalistic societies also can help the underprivileged members by enabling them to move upward through job training, financial assistance while times are tough. Welfare was not created to be a lifelong job it was created to assist until people could get back on their feet. What we need is more opportunities for the downtrodden. But we also need motivation to work not just handing out money, there has to be a string attached. 

Nearly every economy on earth is a mix of socialism and capitalism. We are not unique other than the fact that corruption and bribery of government officials is legal here while in most other countries it is not. Until you fix that things are going to continue to spiral downward.

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Just now, snowman21 said:

Nearly every economy on earth is a mix of socialism and capitalism. We are not unique other than the fact that corruption and bribery of government officials is legal here while in most other countries it is not. Until you fix that things are going to continue to spiral downward.

Agree totally.  Politicians are the worst. Lobbying kills. But still better than Forkys dictator taking care of his cronies while the rest suffer. Reality is a bitch.

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1 minute ago, Ginx snewx said:

The annual inflation rate in the US edged up to a 13-year high of 5.4% in September of 2021 from 5.3% in August and above market expectations of 5.3%. Main upward pressure came from cost of shelter (3.2% vs 2.8% in August); food (4.6% vs 3.7%, the highest since December of 2011), namely food at home (4.5% vs 3%); new vehicles (8.7% vs 7.6%); and energy (24.8% vs 25%)

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The fuel oil one is interesting, because the price of oil cratered at the start of the pandemic.  I don't know the other energy types, but I assume it is the same.

Obviously it is costing a lot more vs 2020, but 2020 was a lot less than 2019, 2018, etc.  You have to go back to the late 1990s to find similar prices when adjusted for inflation.

 

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38 minutes ago, powderfreak said:

This is the largest wage increase in many people's entire lives.  I can't complain, we’ve seen a 13% increase even at a management level to avoid compression and keep separation from lower positions that saw increases of as much as 30%. Thousands and thousands of extra dollars over the course of a year for the same exact job as past years.  My wife is seeing the same thing.  When people start at $30-35K/yr as the most basic entry level, all the sudden $60K a year turns into $70K a year above them.  The labor costs this winter are going to be insane.

None of us will ever see this type of wage adjustment happen in our lives, IMO.  It's been waiting to happen in many industries (stagnant wages) but this labor shortage tipped the scale.

And those costs end up somewhere.

I get many have been underpaid for too long, but suddenly people are worth 2X more than what they were earning?

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11 minutes ago, powderfreak said:

It’s the years and years of parents, teachers, Hollywood, TV shows, career counselors, etc telling youngsters they are worth more.  Even parents who are truck drivers tell their kids they want better for them, don’t do what I did.

Its years of brainwashing essentially that you are better than that.  Blue collar parents wanting their kids to not follow their footprints.

I think it’s more than just saying people now in days are above those positions.  They were taught by everyone (even truck drivers) to be above that.

But then reality sets in. I encouraged my kids to get a trade job if college wasn't their thing.  I also showed them what hard work was. Not everyone is the same and not everyone can code. Having many skills including how to budget, fix a leak, take care of others and life skills carry you a long way. Reality is a bitch 

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4 minutes ago, HoarfrostHubb said:

The fuel oil one is interesting, because the price of oil cratered at the start of the pandemic.  I don't know the other energy types, but I assume it is the same.

Obviously it is costing a lot more vs 2020, but 2020 was a lot less than 2019, 2018, etc.  You have to go back to the late 1990s to find similar prices when adjusted for inflation.

 

Where was 2020 a lot less? Food? Goods?

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1 minute ago, Ginx snewx said:

But then reality sets in. I encouraged my kids to get a trade job if college wasn't their thing.  I also showed them what hard work was. Not everyone is the same and not everyone can code. Having many skills including how to budget, fix a leak, take care of others and life skills carry you a long way. Reality is a bitch 

I agree.  I know how I’d raise my kid these days… but it’s still probably hard to not want the world for them.

I’m just saying that people now in days have been brainwashed for so long by so many people regarding jobs like that.  Need more people like that “Dirty Jobs” guy advocating that it’s ok and pays well to do those jobs.

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8 minutes ago, Lava Rock said:

I get many have been underpaid for too long, but suddenly people are worth 2X more than what they were earning?

$20/hr to make pizzas here.  Resort town but these places need staff to operate.

$20/hr for 40 hours is $800 a week…. That’s $41,000 a year job.  With a signing bonus.

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Just now, snowman21 said:

Only if you include the hours they drive for Door Dash and Uber. I wonder if the pizza place offers health insurance?

Another Govt **** up placing 33 hours as when employers need to offer health care. Employers play that game everywhere. Obviously small businesses can't afford it but there needs to be a universal solution for working people based on income. The affordable care act isn't affordable if you make over 35k a year. It's a joke 

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