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1 hour ago, psuhoffman said:

Maybe we should consider creating a position in our society where someone with authority could provide steady guidance and leadership. Any suggestions what we could call such a position?

If you watched fox or read a right wing blog for 5 minutes you wouldn’t ask that question.  Of course in fairness conservatives could say the same thing about cnn/msnbc/NYT. People are getting two vastly different narratives right now. 

Have you ever read Democracy in America (Tocqueville)... it is pretty crazy how accurate the prediction was.. It took a couple hundred years, a reality TV star as president and twitter.. but we finally made it!

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7 minutes ago, WxWatcher007 said:

Too many obscenities? :P 

I‘d like to talk over a beer or two. I really hope we can all get together again at some point. I’d seriously travel down if it’s timed right. 

:lol: Nah. My reply started okay, but I got into current divisiveness and it started heading downhill. Not the place.

3 minutes ago, NorthArlington101 said:

Another get-together would be so great. I’m finally at an age where I wouldn’t feel like a total weirdo going. At this stage of my life it’s probably networking, honestly.

Definitely need a get together.

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Just disappointed this thread lacked a true open discussion. It’s like you had 4 to 5 tweakers, a WV trick, a moderator with a bias, and with all of it combined, it prevented a really healthy discussion from some very bright folks.

The worse part is many of these posters likely have kids they talk to about bullying and kindness to others, yet here they are as adults pretending they have this all figured it out and shitting on people in forum just because their views differ.

Do better folks.

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1 minute ago, DCTeacherman said:

True, but Fox News and more recently trump laid the groundwork for this by fomenting distrust of government, the media, science, and other institutions for many years.

The above post probably belongs in the politics thread, but I would say that deciding how to respond to a pandemic and when and how to open the economy is not an exact science.  It’s a multi-factor determination that weighs many considerations — including the opinions of scientists, as well as economists, ethicists, engineers, etc.  It’s not like there is an exact correct answer that is knowable.  

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3 minutes ago, Rvarookie said:

Just disappointed this thread lacked a true open discussion. It’s like you had 4 to 5 tweakers, a WV trick, a moderator with a bias, and with all of it combined, it prevented a really healthy discussion from some very bright folks.

The worse part is many of these posters likely have kids they talk to about bullying and kindness to others, yet here they are as adults pretending they have this all figured it out and shitting on people in forum just because their views differ.

Do better folks.

“trick”?

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Just now, jaydreb said:

The above post probably belongs in the politics thread, but I would say that deciding how to respond to a pandemic and when and how to open the economy is not an exact science.  It’s a multi-factor determination that weighs many considerations — including the opinions of scientists, as well as economists, ethicists, engineers, etc.  It’s not like there is an exact correct answer that is knowable.  

there is a pretty standard response to a pandemic. 

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Just now, jaydreb said:

No there isn’t.  If there was we would have done the same things for H1N1 that we are doing for Coronavirus.  

that’s because all of the government pandemic experts were fired over the last 2 years and the open positions were not filled.

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1 minute ago, wxtrix said:

that’s because all of the government pandemic experts were fired over the last 2 years and the open positions were not filled.

No, it’s because coronavirus is deadlier and more contagious than swine flu.  There are general steps to take in responding to a pandemic, but the precise details depend on many variables, including the nature of the underlying disease.  

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Just now, wxtrix said:

i have no idea who you are and think it’s hilarious.

Yeh I don’t know ya either but you seem to be very opinionated and not very receptive to others thoughts. I do appreciate your comments but I bet you do piss a lot of folks off, yet lack the self awareness to realize how much you suck. All good tho it’s just who you are...

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1 minute ago, Rvarookie said:

Yeh I don’t know ya either but you seem to be very opinionated and not very receptive to others thoughts. I do appreciate your comments but I bet you do piss a lot of folks off, yet lack the self awareness to realize how much you suck. All good tho it’s just who you are...

i’m not receptive to stupidity. 

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4 minutes ago, jaydreb said:

No, it’s because coronavirus is deadlier and more contagious than swine flu.  There are general steps to take in responding to a pandemic, but the precise details depend on many variables, including the nature of the underlying disease.  

this is incorrect because South Korea and New Zealand knew what to do.

the US was prepared for H1N1 and that core of experts was fired over the last 3 years.

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1 hour ago, Baltimorewx said:

Give me a break...a decline in cases and deaths, absolutely. +1 cases in the most populous country in the world. No. They are fudging numbers like nothing else 

South Korea had 3 cases.  Thailand only had one case.  Vietnam, New Zealand and Hong Kong reported no new cases.  Several eastern European countries have just a handful of new cases.  Instead of treating it as evidence that it's possible to contain the virus, it seems that many people just assume these countries must be lying.

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8 minutes ago, wxtrix said:

this is incorrect because South Korea and New Zealand knew what to do.

the US was prepared for H1N1 and that core of experts was fired over the last 3 years.

Well, we’ll just have to disagree on that because the steps that South Korea and New Zealand took in response to coronavirus, namely test, trace and isolate, were not the steps that the US took during H1N1.  Over 60,000,000 people caught that virus in the US.   Nowhere near that percentage caught the coronavirus in South Korea and NZ.   

And no scientist in the world is going to be able to offer an exact date on when we should reopen, how we should reopen, what should reopen, etc.  They will tell us what to consider in making those decision, but there is no exact formula.  

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23 minutes ago, jaydreb said:

No there isn’t.  If there was we would have done the same things for H1N1 that we are doing for Coronavirus.  

IMHO The biggest difference btw this year vs 2009 is Twitter.  Sure they had it back then.. but it is no where near the beast it has become today in the global pandemic scenario.   Social media platforms have become an extremely powerful tool to form public opinion and to set the course for what is right and what is wrong.. and most importantly.. it provides a shaming platform for those that don't conform.  

2009 (US): Deaths‎: ‎18,449 (lab-confirmed deaths)...    Cases‎: ‎1,632,710 (lab confirmed). it is a close second.. and probably a lot closer than those number indicate given the difference in the total overall number of tets that have been performed (mainly as a tool for postmortem analysis).

In otherwords, it was probably very easy to miss a Swine Flu death in 2009... however, you are not gonna miss a Corona Virus death in 2020.
 

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4 minutes ago, 40westwx said:

IMHO The biggest difference btw this year vs 2009 is Twitter.  Sure they had it back then.. but it is no where near the beast it has become today in the global pandemic scenario.   Social media platforms have become an extremely powerful tool to form public opinion and to set the course for what is right and what is wrong.. and most importantly.. it provides a shaming platform for those that don't conform.  

2009 (US): Deaths‎: ‎18,449 (lab-confirmed deaths)...    Cases‎: ‎1,632,710 (lab confirmed). it is a close second.. and probably a lot closer than those number indicate given the difference in the total overall number of tets that have been performed (mainly as a tool for postmortem analysis).

In otherwords, it was probably very easy to miss a Swine Flu death in 2009... however, you are not gonna miss a Corona Virus death in 2020.
 

The 2009 swine flu actually had a much lower mortality rate than the traditional flu.  Some IFR estimates were as low as 0.001, i.e. 10 times less deadly than the typical flu. It was comparably mild.  I don't think you'd see that level of fear even with social media.

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56 minutes ago, 40westwx said:

Have you ever read Democracy in America (Tocqueville)... it is pretty crazy how accurate the prediction was.. It took a couple hundred years, a reality TV star as president and twitter.. but we finally made it!

There have been other periods in our history like this. We just fooled ourselves into thinking we were past all that. 

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54 minutes ago, 40westwx said:

IMHO The biggest difference btw this year vs 2009 is Twitter.  Sure they had it back then.. but it is no where near the beast it has become today in the global pandemic scenario.   Social media platforms have become an extremely powerful tool to form public opinion and to set the course for what is right and what is wrong.. and most importantly.. it provides a shaming platform for those that don't conform.  

2009 (US): Deaths‎: ‎18,449 (lab-confirmed deaths)...    Cases‎: ‎1,632,710 (lab confirmed). it is a close second.. and probably a lot closer than those number indicate given the difference in the total overall number of tets that have been performed (mainly as a tool for postmortem analysis).

In otherwords, it was probably very easy to miss a Swine Flu death in 2009... however, you are not gonna miss a Corona Virus death in 2020.
 

most Americans do not use twitter.

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56 minutes ago, jaydreb said:

Well, we’ll just have to disagree on that because the steps that South Korea and New Zealand took in response to coronavirus, namely test, trace and isolate, were not the steps that the US took during H1N1.  Over 60,000,000 people caught that virus in the US.   Nowhere near that percentage caught the coronavirus in South Korea and NZ.   

the US had a test within 2 weeks of H1N1 appearing in the US and then used tracking and tracing to test the other affected people.

56 minutes ago, jaydreb said:

And no scientist in the world is going to be able to offer an exact date on when we should reopen, how we should reopen, what should reopen, etc.  They will tell us what to consider in making those decision, but there is no exact formula.  

there's a pretty specific set of criteria that public health officials use to determine if it's safe to resume normal activity.  that's why South Korea is fully open right now.

you should read more and post less.

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18 minutes ago, wxtrix said:

the US had a test within 2 weeks of H1N1 appearing in the US and then used tracking and tracing to test the other affected people.

there's a pretty specific set of criteria that public health officials use to determine if it's safe to resume normal activity.  that's why South Korea is fully open right now.

you should read more and post less.

I don’t know what you have been reading, but over 60,000,000 people caught H1N1 in this country.  It was nothing like South Korea is now.  We weren’t tracking and tracing all of them.  I suggest you take a break from posting nonsense, stop making things up, and stop insulting people.

 https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/2009-h1n1-pandemic.html

If we took the same steps with coronavirus that we took with H1N1 (no shutdowns, no social distancing) we would have an even greater disaster on our hands.  This virus is much more dangerous.

 

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4 minutes ago, jaydreb said:

I don’t know what you have been reading, but over 60,000,000 people caught H1N1 in this country.  It was nothing like South Korea is now.  We weren’t tracking and tracing all of them.  I suggest you take a break from posting nonsense, stop making things up, and stop insulting people.

 https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/2009-h1n1-pandemic.html

 

it was the fastest infection rate anyone had ever seen, but the test for it was developed in 2 weeks, and then people who tested positive had their contacts tested and traced.

it's irrelevant how many people got infected because that has nothing to do with your assertion that there was no testing or tracking.

 

 

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1 hour ago, wxtrix said:

it was the fastest infection rate anyone had ever seen, but the test for it was developed in 2 weeks, and then people who tested positive had their contacts tested and traced.

it's irrelevant how many people got infected because that has nothing to do with your assertion that there was no testing or tracking.

 

 

I never said there was no testing or tracking.  

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7 hours ago, jaydreb said:

I never said there was no testing or tracking.  

 

9 hours ago, jaydreb said:

Well, we’ll just have to disagree on that because the steps that South Korea and New Zealand took in response to coronavirus, namely test, trace and isolate, were not the steps that the US took during H1N1. Over 60,000,000 people caught that virus in the US.   Nowhere near that percentage caught the coronavirus in South Korea and NZ.   

And no scientist in the world is going to be able to offer an exact date on when we should reopen, how we should reopen, what should reopen, etc.  They will tell us what to consider in making those decision, but there is no exact formula.  

 

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