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Hoosier Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 In the past 8 months, I have learned and been reminded about winterwx21's health and fitness more than I ever thought was possible. On the heart rate thing... you don't have to be an elite level athlete to have a resting rate in the low/mid 40s. I know, because I do, and I'm nowhere near an elite level athlete. I lift quite often and do modest amounts of plain cardio, but almost never run. I am very cognizant of magnesium intake (which is something that many are deficient in) and that may be a factor in the low resting heart rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 27 minutes ago, StormfanaticInd said: Texas with over 18k so far today on worldometers! Thats unthinkable I think that is record daily cases for a state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterwx21 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 20 minutes ago, Hoosier said: In the past 8 months, I have learned and been reminded about winterwx21's health and fitness more than I ever thought was possible. On the heart rate thing... you don't have to be an elite level athlete to have a resting rate in the low/mid 40s. I know, because I do, and I'm nowhere near an elite level athlete. I lift quite often and do modest amounts of plain cardio, but almost never run. I am very cognizant of magnesium intake (which is something that many are deficient in) and that may be a factor in the low resting heart rate. I haven't talked about health on here in several months. I know we talked about it some in another Coronavirus thread back in the Spring. Obviously health is extra important during a pandemic. I completely agree about magnesium! That's the one supplement I take. In general I am not a believer in supplements, believing it's much more important to get nutrients from food. But magnesium is so critical to heart and artery health, so I do take that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormfanaticInd Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 33 minutes ago, Hoosier said: I think that is record daily cases for a state. 88,080 hospitalizations today. A new record for the 15th day in a row. We will probably reach 100k by Sunday or Monday. Texas is a recorded for any state Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormfanaticInd Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 "Based on what we’ve seen over the last eight months of state-reported COVID-19 data, we think two big, potentially misleading things are about to happen to the testing, case, and death numbers that allow us to track the pandemic in the United States. First, by Thanksgiving Day and perhaps as early as Wednesday, all three metrics will flatten out or drop, probably for several days. This decrease will make it look like things are getting better at the national level. Then, in the week following the holiday, our test, case, and death numbers will spike, which will look like a confirmation that Thanksgiving is causing outbreaks to worsen. But neither of these expected movements in the data will necessarily mean anything about the state of the pandemic itself. Holidays, like weekends, cause testing and reporting to go down and then, a few days later, to "catch up." So the data we see early next week will reflect not only actual increases in cases, test, and deaths, but also the potentially very large backlog from the holiday. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frog Town Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Stebo said: 36? That literally is not believable. I was a collegiate Marathon Runner back in the day and my sports Doc did a double take after he measured mine in the mid to upper 40's per minute. I remember him saying that was pretty rare. Never heard of it in the 30's, unless maybe you're being frozen in Carbonite by the Mandalorian?? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestrobjwa Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 17 minutes ago, StormfanaticInd said: "Based on what we’ve seen over the last eight months of state-reported COVID-19 data, we think two big, potentially misleading things are about to happen to the testing, case, and death numbers that allow us to track the pandemic in the United States. First, by Thanksgiving Day and perhaps as early as Wednesday, all three metrics will flatten out or drop, probably for several days. This decrease will make it look like things are getting better at the national level. Then, in the week following the holiday, our test, case, and death numbers will spike, which will look like a confirmation that Thanksgiving is causing outbreaks to worsen. But neither of these expected movements in the data will necessarily mean anything about the state of the pandemic itself. Holidays, like weekends, cause testing and reporting to go down and then, a few days later, to "catch up." So the data we see early next week will reflect not only actual increases in cases, test, and deaths, but also the potentially very large backlog from the holiday. " I'd imagine we wouldn't see Thanksgiving effects until a couple weeks into December, right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterwx21 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 19 minutes ago, Frog Town said: I was a collegiate Marathon Runner back in the day and my sports Doc did a double take after he measured mine in the mid to upper 40's per minute. I remember him saying that was pretty rare. Never heard of it in the 30's, unless maybe you're being frozen in Carbonite by the Mandalorian?? That's complete opposite of what my cardiologist told me when I went in with the concern that my resting heart rate of 50 (before I started running) was too low. He told me some elite runners have resting heart rates in the 30s and I could possibly do that too. It's far from unheard of. Just do a little research on low resting heart rates for elite athletes. There have been a few that have actually had resting heart rates in the high 20s. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacChump Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Just catching up...so, 36...not bad! now I just need you to answer whether that is elite athlete level... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormfanaticInd Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 45 minutes ago, Maestrobjwa said: I'd imagine we wouldn't see Thanksgiving effects until a couple weeks into December, right? Yep. Probably around December 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterwx21 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 4 minutes ago, MacChump said: Just catching up...so, 36...not bad! now I just need you to answer whether that is elite athlete level... It is, but there are plenty of elite athletes that have resting heart rates in the 40s and 50s. It doesn't have to be that low to be an elite athlete. Some people seem shocked and have a hard time believing a resting heart rate in the 30s. All you have to do is a quick google search and you see plenty of medical sources that talk about it. Take a look at healthline.com and right away it says some athletes have resting heart rates in the 30 to 40 range. I guess some people have a hard time believing it because average people are in the 70s. But it's not unusual at all for athletes to be in the 40s or 30s. Anyway I want to give a specific example of how exercise can help with Covid. Exercise produces an antioxidant called EcSOD, which has been shown to protect against acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS). ARDS happens in the majority of Covid ICU patients, and is the cause of death in many of them. Zhen Yan, professor of cardiovascular medicine who runs a molecular exercise physiology lab at University of Virginia School of Medicine, did a major study on this. He says even a single exercise session can produce EcSOD, which fights this syndrome that kills so many Covid patients. So he believes that exercise should be added to things like mask wearing and social distancing as recommended things that can help with the pandemic. And just overall, exercise helps strengthen the immune system and improves lung health. Here is a quote from emergency medicine physician Dr. Jebidiah Ballard, when asked if exercise can help with Covid outcomes... "Would it improve their chances if they got Covid-19? Not in a day or week, but if they can improve their overall health over weeks, then very likely," she said. There are people on this board that obviously don't want to believe this stuff and even get irritated or take offense, but this is medical science that medical experts back up. Exercise and getting into better shape DOES reduce the risk of bad outcomes with Covid and can be done in a matter of just weeks as experts have pointed out, and I believe it's important to get this information out there. I'm sorry to the people that got offended by it, although I don't see reason why anyone should be offended. It's just about trying to help people during a horrific pandemic, and worth it if only a small amount of people beat Covid because they got into better shape. But if some people prefer to just isolate to avoid getting the virus until there is a vaccine, that certainly is a good approach too. I'm not going to go on and on about this any longer, as I've provided enough info. I wish everyone safety and good health as we try to get through the last several months of the pandemic. Take care. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanDe680 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 2 hours ago, winterwx21 said: I haven't talked about health on here in several months. I know we talked about it some in another Coronavirus thread back in the Spring. Obviously health is extra important during a pandemic. I completely agree about magnesium! That's the one supplement I take. In general I am not a believer in supplements, believing it's much more important to get nutrients from food. But magnesium is so critical to heart and artery health, so I do take that. +1 for the magnesium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanDe680 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 My wife ran the Olympic trials in the marathon a couple of times so she runs a lot of miles. Her resting heart rate is in the high 30s. It’s very possible and some people are born with lower heart rates 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanDe680 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 2 hours ago, StormfanaticInd said: 88,080 hospitalizations today. A new record for the 15th day in a row. We will probably reach 100k by Sunday or Monday. Texas is a recorded for any state 80,000 people hospitalized. Insane numbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hoosier Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Seeing signs that the drops in some of the Midwest states are flatlining and not continuing to drop. Not good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, StormfanaticInd said: That last sentence makes no sense to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan11295 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Hoosier said: Seeing signs that the drops in some of the Midwest states are flatlining and not continuing to drop. Not good. Illinois came in with over 11,000 today, you wonder if the weather turning colder again ~2 weeks ago was a factor. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Nevermind. I read it again and think I get it now. I guess it means Monday already had 35 deaths, so adding 24 new to that day results in 59. Nov 18 already had 57 deaths, so adding 2 new to that day results in 59 deaths. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormfanaticInd Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 6 minutes ago, dan11295 said: Illinois came in with over 11,000 today, you wonder if the weather turning colder again ~2 weeks ago was a factor. Weather is definitely playing a factor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormfanaticInd Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Cases in the midwest will probably oscillate but overall trend higher throughout the winter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 22 minutes ago, dan11295 said: Illinois came in with over 11,000 today, you wonder if the weather turning colder again ~2 weeks ago was a factor. If we are already roughly plateauing on cases in the Midwest, then it would strongly point to the idea that the 7+ day stretch of warmer weather at the beginning of the month was the main culprit in causing the temporary drop. As has been pointed out, numbers in the coming days are bound to look a bit screwy due to the holiday and will need some more time to evaluate. Then, it won't be until we get at least a third to halfway through December until we start to see any ramifications from Thanksgiving gatherings. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan11295 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Hoosier said: If we are already roughly plateauing on cases in the Midwest, then it would strongly point to the idea that the 7+ day stretch of warmer weather at the beginning of the month was the main culprit in causing the temporary drop. As has been pointed out, numbers in the coming days are bound to look a bit screwy due to the holiday and will need some more time to evaluate. Then, it won't be until we get at least a third to halfway through December until we start to see any ramifications from Thanksgiving gatherings. Yea a short term evaluation of potential weather impacts on case trajectory will be difficult with Thanksgiving tomorrow. Cases from gatherings wont show until 2nd week of December, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frog Town Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 What continues to increase despite the small decrease in cases are the death totals. That's what will make headlines in the next 2-3 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormfanaticInd Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 156 deaths in Ohio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormfanaticInd Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 We are clearly back to spring level deaths Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormfanaticInd Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, StormfanaticInd said: 156 deaths in Ohio This number of cases is likely higher. 6000 cases pending Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 7 minutes ago, StormfanaticInd said: We are clearly back to spring level deaths Yes. An individual person going into the hospital with covid now is more likely to survive compared to spring, but progress in knowledge and treatments is negated when the number of hospitalized becomes so huge. Deaths will only get worse. It is basically baked in that we will start seeing 3000+ deaths on some days by the middle of December. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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