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November 22-25 Storm Discussion


Hoosier

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A little early still, but I'm thinking a quick inch or maybe two here before she shuts down pretty quickly late morning Mon.  Some additional snow showers later in the day could add a little bit.  System needs to slow down for anything more than that the way it looks to me.  Amounts should go up pretty quickly as you head north into WI.

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Expecting some tweaks yet to come given the delicacy involved but am increasingly liking the chances of getting a little measurable snow here.  Not gonna amount to much and we'll probably sorta get split by highest impacts here with the greatest snow going north/west and the greatest wind potential being farther east.

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Just talking surface low, there's almost a 200 mile spread with the position between the NAM/RGEM and the ECMWF/GFS at 30 hours.  Yikes.

 

Pretty crazy. 979mb is about the bottom on the EURO. What a nightmare for the regional offices to try to figure out!

 

 

Snowfall track is similar to the GFS. This would be a rough rush hour around here.

 

 

Wagons south...

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I'd be pulling my hair out if I was at some of these NWS offices...like La Crosse...the model variance there in terms of sensible results is ridiculous.

Yep like rolling the dice for them right now. Really impossible for them to put together a forecast that will satisfy the general public at this point

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Gino sums it up nicely

 

 
MONDAY ONWARD...  
 
STILL SEEING SOME NON-TRIVIAL DIFFERENCES IN THE MODELS WITH RESPECT  
TO THE DETAILS MONDAY...LIKELY DUE TO THEIR TENDENCY TO STRUGGLE  
WITH PHASING SYSTEMS.
ALL GUIDANCE SWEEPS A STRONG COLD FRONT ACROSS  
THE AREA MONDAY MORNING WITH FALLING TEMPERATURES AND STRONG  
WESTERLY WINDS LIKELY MONDAY INTO MONDAY EVENING. THE BIGGEST  
DIFFERENCE IN THE SOLUTIONS FOR OUR AREA IS AN INCREASING LARGE CAMP  
OF MODEL GUIDANCE IS SHOWING A FAIRLY STRONG NORTHERN STREAM  
SHORTWAVE LAGGING BEHIND AND ENHANCING ASCENT IN THE DEFORMATION  
ZONE ACROSS OUR CWA MONDAY AFTERNOON AND EVENING. BY THIS POINT  
THERMAL PROFILES WOULD SUPPORT ALL SNOW. LATEST GFS/ECMWF/PARALLEL  
13KM GFS ALL SHOWING AN ACCUMULATING SNOWFALL ACROSS OUR CWA MONDAY  
AFTERNOON AND EVENING...ESPECIALLY NORTHERN 1/2 TO 2/3 OF THE AREA.  
THE LACK OF RUN-TO-RUN CONSISTENCY AND KNOWN ISSUES GUIDANCE HAS  
WITH PHASING SYSTEMS LEADS TO LOWER THAN AVERAGE CONFIDENCE BUT HAVE  
BUMPED UP POPS TO LIKELY IN THIS TIME FRAME AND CARRIED A COUPLE  
INCHES OF ACCUMULATION IN THE GRIDS
FOR THIS TIME FRAME.  
 
IF THE LATEST GFS/ECMWF QPF ENDS UP BEING IN THE BALL PARK OF WHAT  
HAPPENS THEN WE COULD BE LOOKING AT A FAIRLY HIGH IMPACT EVENT WITH  
SEVERAL INCHES OF ACCUMULATION POSSIBLE.
IN ADDITION...VERY STRONG  
WINDS WILL FURTHER RESULT IN A FURTHER DETERIORATION IN CONDITIONS.  
FORECAST SOUNDINGS DON'T FAVOR HIGH SNOW:LIQUID RATIO SNOWFALL WITH  
DEEP ISOTHERMAL LAYER WARMER THAN -10C...RATHER LARGER AGGREGATE  
FLAKES WOULD BE FAVORED WITH A WETTER SNOW AND LOWER VSBYS. WILL  
BEGIN TO ADVERTISE THIS THREAT IN THE HWO BUT FAR TOO EARLY TO  
CONSIDER ANY HEADLINES AT THIS POINT.  
 

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Getting into nowcasting time now..

 

9z RAP/HRRR seem to have best handle on sfc low placement right now. Guymon, OK in the OK PH had a sfc pressure of 992.9mb at 10z while the 6z NAM/GFS are too far north in western KS and weaker with the placement of the sfc low. 

 

The strongest p-falls are from LBB up through western OK/srn KS and the RAP/HRRR want to move the sfc low along/south of I-40 while the NAM/GFS move it along the KS/OK border. 

 

Going to be fun to watch this play out today in both the models and the real time analysis 

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Encouraging Euro run for northern IL in regards to snow. 

 

Power outages might become a pretty significant issue Monday as the rain quickly changes over to wet snow and sticks to everything.  The strong winds and caking snow to power lines/trees should keep the power crews busy.  The Dec '12 event resulted in significant power outages from a similar situation. 

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