psuhoffman Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 It is not just one person that does it, last week when a few runs of the euro looked great for the northern 1/2 of PA the UNV-IPT-AVP crowd was making model statements as if it was a great run for everyone even though it was showing all rain south of the turnpike. With earlier storms when a run shows a crush job for the LSV some of the posters there make comments like "crushing run for our area". The problem is "OUR AREA" is from the Mason Dixon line to the NY border. It is very rare that any run for any storm is going to be good for the entire area so comments like that are kinda IMOBY centric and misleading to others in the forum. Maybe I am alone, but I find it kind of annoying and makes it harder when quickly scanning the thread to get a real idea of what is going on. Instead of saying "its a great run" just say its good for south of the turnpike, or north or whatever but be more specific. If I am the only one that feels this way, then disregard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternUSWX Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 It is not just one person that does it, last week when a few runs of the euro looked great for the northern 1/2 of PA the UNV-IPT-AVP crowd was making model statements as if it was a great run for everyone even though it was showing all rain south of the turnpike. With earlier storms when a run shows a crush job for the LSV some of the posters there make comments like "crushing run for our area". The problem is "OUR AREA" is from the Mason Dixon line to the NY border. It is very rare that any run for any storm is going to be good for the entire area so comments like that are kinda IMOBY centric and misleading to others in the forum. Maybe I am alone, but I find it kind of annoying and makes it harder when quickly scanning the thread to get a real idea of what is going on. Instead of saying "its a great run" just say its good for south of the turnpike, or north or whatever but be more specific. If I am the only one that feels this way, then disregard. Maybe we need to make a northern pa and southern pa thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psuhoffman Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 I disagree, but whatever. For people complaining they want warm and spring, not sure why they are complaining about not getting snow. lol. I want a big storm OR nice/warm weather. I am a little frustrated that I am getting neither. I would still get excited over a foot of snow, which certainly is possible with this system if it phases instead of splitting. Generally cold dry or warm wet miserable weather has been the trend. The one upside to this is if the 12z globals are right and the trough is going to split and fail to phase, then the whole pattern is likely to break down and we warm up. The longer term cold was predicated on this storm phasing and bombing out which pulled the trough into the east behind it and then forced a further south track from the next system and set off a chain of events that kept us cold. Without the first domino falling the trough pulls back into the central US and we get at least a week of nice weather it looks like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PennMan Posted March 14, 2014 Author Share Posted March 14, 2014 Maybe we need to make a northern pa and southern pa thread.We definitely don't need that. Just be geographically specific about where the run is "good" or "bad". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternUSWX Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 We definitely don't need that. Just be geographically specific about where the run is "good" or "bad". Weather varies greatly from north to south though in the state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sauss06 Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 March 2012 had just a trace I believe At lunch i was looking at my snowfall notes. i show the following entries 3/16/13 1" snow. 3/18/13 2.5" snow/sleet. 3/26/13 1.25" snow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmsptwx Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Sunny and 45. I will take it. As for splitting it up where would that leave a lot of the in between guys? I have no qualms with how it is now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PennMan Posted March 14, 2014 Author Share Posted March 14, 2014 Weather varies greatly from north to south though in the state.I'm well aware of that...still not necessary. It's really not that hard to just say "great run south of I-80, 0.75"+ qpf from there to the Mason-Dixon line." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NortheastPAWx Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 This part of the forum isn't big enough to warrant a split. We don't have very many posters as is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomixwx Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Still, this is Central PA and recently the "fringes", whatever the hell that means. The day we start breaking up into "north and south", when do we break off into "east" and "west"? At what point do we have a forum for "I-83 west to I-81" and "I-99 east to I-81" and "Northern terminus of U.S. 522 in Selinsgrove" and "This is where U.S. 522 leaves Pennsylvania at Dott or Warfordsburg"? My favorite would be the "Palmyra from Horstick to Cherry St" thread. A real hotbed of action. And I nearly came in my pants the other day when it was 60. I'm officially past this cold nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurel Highlands Wx Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 We definitely don't need that. Just be geographically specific about where the run is "good" or "bad". Exactly. This is The CENTRAL PA forum which runs from NY border to the MD line. This isn't the MBY forum. Its not hard to be more specific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sauss06 Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 i agree, no splt. However if you could limit all storm threats/conversation to just Cumberland County, it would make it easy, thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurel Highlands Wx Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Still, this is Central PA and recently the "fringes", whatever the hell that means. The day we start breaking up into "north and south", when do we break off into "east" and "west"? At what point do we have a forum for "I-83 west to I-81" and "I-99 east to I-81" and "Northern terminus of U.S. 522 in Selinsgrove" and "This is where U.S. 522 leaves Pennsylvania at Dott or Warfordsburg"? My favorite would be the "Palmyra from Horstick to Cherry St" thread. A real hotbed of action. And I nearly came in my pants the other day when it was 60. I'm officially past this cold nonsense. Agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmsptwx Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Lol sauss, I'm buying you a drink at the get together, whenever it is has anyone heard from Ober?? I miss him, thought for sure we'd have seen him during the 12z runs lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomixwx Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 However if you could limit all storm threats/conversation to just Cumberland County, it would make it easy, thanks in advance. What part of Cumberland county? Which thread are you referring to? I'm a big hit over on the "Rossmoyne Business District" thread, the "12th street between Erford Rd and Market St" thread, the "Wagoner's Gap Rd to College St Intersection" thread, and the "never-ending construction that makes going to Weis a big PITA" thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmsptwx Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 What part of Cumberland county? Which thread are you referring to? I'm a big hit over on the "Rossmoyne Business District" thread, the "12th street between Erford Rd and Market St" thread, the "Wagoner's Gap Rd to College St Intersection" thread, and the "never-ending construction that makes going to Weis a big PITA" thread. lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmsptwx Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Honestly though, other than the Euro just look up the model or post it so everyone can see who gets the goods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psuhoffman Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 I didn't mean to try to break up the thread or start a debate, I just feel posts like "its a great run" don't add much and often are misleading as its not a great run for all of us. Instead we can actually take a few more seconds and add something of value like discuss what the run shows. After 2 runs in a row where models trended strongly towards a more phased solution, today the models took a huge step back towards the idea of 36 hours ago with a split of the energy and too much being left behind to really get the storm up the east coast. I would put the NAM into the split camp too, it goes nuts with the WAA frontrunning wave but that looks a little crazy to me without must upper level support. Only the SREF still shows a phased consolidated bomb solution that we want for a big storm into central PA. I still feel either enough energy comes out and this bombs out up the coast or if the energy really does split it probably continues to trend more and more suppressed just like the early march threat right to the end and it ends up well south of our area. I still think the models might be having trouble with this kind of thing, and historically its the kind of setup where models will have issues with the phasing then suddenly at 48 hours BOOM but it is hard to ignore the seasonal trend of storms remaining progressive. I guess its a long winded way of saying I am conflicted right now about which way to go, and feeling lucky I don't have to make any official forecast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djr5001 Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Euro south of 0z run... barely gets any precip into PA... high pressure looks to be slightly stronger and in control... saw this again and I think it sums up the 12z run today... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurel Highlands Wx Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 I didn't mean to try to break up the thread or start a debate, I just feel posts like "its a great run" don't add much and often are misleading as its not a great run for all of us. Instead we can actually take a few more seconds and add something of value like discuss what the run shows. After 2 runs in a row where models trended strongly towards a more phased solution, today the models took a huge step back towards the idea of 36 hours ago with a split of the energy and too much being left behind to really get the storm up the east coast. I would put the NAM into the split camp too, it goes nuts with the WAA frontrunning wave but that looks a little crazy to me without must upper level support. Only the SREF still shows a phased consolidated bomb solution that we want for a big storm into central PA. I still feel either enough energy comes out and this bombs out up the coast or if the energy really does split it probably continues to trend more and more suppressed just like the early march threat right to the end and it ends up well south of our area. I still think the models might be having trouble with this kind of thing, and historically its the kind of setup where models will have issues with the phasing then suddenly at 48 hours BOOM but it is hard to ignore the seasonal trend of storms remaining progressive. I guess its a long winded way of saying I am conflicted right now about which way to go, and feeling lucky I don't have to make any official forecast. Don't feel bad. You made a valid point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternUSWX Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Exactly. This is The CENTRAL PA forum which runs from NY border to the MD line. This isn't the MBY forum. Its not hard to be more specific. Central pa which covers like a ton of area. Every storm impacts the north or south differently. It's not imby it's two totally different areas. Just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurel Highlands Wx Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Central pa which covers like a ton of area. Every storm impacts the north or south differently. It's not imby it's two totally different areas. Just saying. While I agree. I still don't understand why it's hard to be more geographically specific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canderson Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Central pa which covers like a ton of area. Every storm impacts the north or south differently. It's not imby it's two totally different areas. Just saying. They also great differ on how they impact you and me, you and State College, me and State College, all of us from Potter, etc. Just being more specific on observations fixes any issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NortheastPAWx Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 While I agree. I still don't understand why it's hard to be more geographically specific. Never got that either. As PennMan said, what's so hard about saying "this area gets 1+", that area .50+", etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternUSWX Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Never got that either. As PennMan said, what's so hard about saying "this area gets 1+", that area .50+", etc? Just would make it easier cause one group complains when they don't get hit. Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djr5001 Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 there is a reason that there are 10 climate divisions in PA... weather varies greatly not only just north and south but east, west, northwest, southeast, etc... all that is being asked is to simply add some geographic references for those who may be only reading posts and can't view model data... can we move any further discussion on this stuff to the banter thread where it likely belongs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sauss06 Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 it doesn't look like we get to 50 tomorrow and to me, it doesn't look to warm up at all next week either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meteo Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 This is why I stated about 12 hours ago I wasn't going to get sucked into this "storm" until 12 hours out just for the wild swing in the models from one cycle to the next. Its just not worth getting all worked up over something we cant control in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawatch Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 This is why I stated about 12 hours ago I wasn't going to get sucked into this "storm" until 12 hours out just for the wild swing in the models from one cycle to the next. Its just not worth getting all worked up over something we cant control in the first place. Like Button ^ We need to keep the forum just the way it is. Someone is always gonna get the short measurement on the yardstick with these storms. Been a long winter!! I think most of us is ready for spring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternUSWX Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Placing this here so we can laugh about it later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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