1993 - 2014 "NESIS"/KU ratings for area generally including MRB/HGR/FDK/DCA/IAD/BWI/EZF/Westminster

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If we had a DC/BAL "NESIS" K/U scale what would be the top 10?

 

My guess - must be viewed in isolation as discrete storms - that is how Kocin does it

 

1) 2/5/10

2) Jan 1996

3) PD2

4) Dec 2009

5) 2/9-10/2010

6) Feb 2014

7) March 1993

8) January 2000

9) Feb 2006

 

10) 2/16/96??

[ravensrule]

I would flip 1 and 2.

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I would flip 1 and 2.

 

you could make a case...1996 had a greater area of 30"+ but away from populations centers... 2/5/10 was much more impactful east of I-95 where more people live..I think it is Feb 2010 handily

[HighStakes]

Snow Removal seems greatly improved since the mid 90's. Had the amount of snow in Feb. 2010 occurred 15-20 years earlier the impact would have probably been severe. Road crews seem to get to remote locations, neighborhood roads, courts and cul-de-sac's much sooner then they used to.

 

I think i would swap 1 and 2 as well. I also might have to consider dropping Feb. 2006 off the list. A storm like 1/26/2011 had a much greater impact than the one in 2006. Road conditions in 93 were  awful for days afterward so I would have to move that storm up the list. Good thread to debate about.

[MillvilleWx]

I like the order of that list. Just solely for my neighborhood, PD2 would jump 1996 for the 2 spot, but as a general impact of sorts, I think you hit that list square.

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Snow Removal seems greatly improved since the mid 90's. Had the amount of snow in Feb. 2010 occurred 15-20 years earlier the impact would have probably been severe. Road crews seem to get to remote locations, neighborhood roads, courts and cul-de-sac's much sooner then they used to.

 

I think i would swap 1 and 2 as well. I also might have to consider dropping Feb. 2006 off the list. A storm like 1/26/2011 had a much greater impact than the one in 2006. Road conditions in 93 were  awful for days afterward so I would have to move that storm up the list. Good thread to debate about.

 

don't necessarily disagree, but that is not how K/U's are measured...they are judged by highest amount of snow taking into account surface area and population

[HighStakes]

don't necessarily disagree, but that is not how K/U's are measured...they are judged by highest amount of snow taking into account surface area and population

Oh, I had no idea that's how they are evaluated. That definitely changes the way I view a few of these storms.

[DDweatherman]

PDI? Just wondering your thoughts on that and 1983. Wasn't sure how far back we were going. 

[wxmeddler]

That list is good, I'd flip PDII and Jan 96 personally.

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That list is good, I'd flip PDII and Jan 96 personally.

 

jan 1996 had higher amounts in Fairfax/Loudoun Counties than 2003...which is the main reason it would be higher

[DDweatherman]

jan 1996 had higher amounts in Fairfax/Loudoun Counties than 2003...which is the main reason it would be higher

28.5" in Dundalk in 96. 34.3" in 2003. Both were exceptional storms. 

[TJ3]

PDI? Just wondering your thoughts on that and 1983. Wasn't sure how far back we were going.

I was wondering the same. Because for me without question PD 1 would be at the top. Hard to do top 10 for me without it.

[DDweatherman]

2/3/96 would've definitely made the list before 2/16/96 had it been a bit further north. That one was a biggie for parts of VA and MD E/S. 

[ravensrule]

you could make a case...1996 had a greater area of 30"+ but away from populations centers... 2/5/10 was much more impactful east of I-95 where more people live..I think it is Feb 2010 handily

I hear you, so I guess I will rephrase and say for where I lived 96 would top 2010.

[MN Transplant]

We b**ch a lot about climo, but the fact that we can make a list of ~10 powerhouse storms in 20 years is pretty damn good.

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PDI? Just wondering your thoughts on that and 1983. Wasn't sure how far back we were going. 

 

PDI? Just wondering your thoughts on that and 1983. Wasn't sure how far back we were going. 

 

 

I was wondering the same. Because for me without question PD 1 would be at the top. Hard to do top 10 for me without it.

 

1993-2014..says it in the title

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We b**ch a lot about climo, but the fact that we can make a list of ~10 powerhouse storms in 20 years is pretty damn good.

 

yeah.even pathetic DCA has 15, 6" storms since March 1993...that's really not that bad...and it is off the top of my head,..,.It is possible I am forgetting one...Of course 10 of the 15 happened in 95-96/02-03/09-10  lol

 

EDIT - added all 4"+ events

 

17.8 - 09-10

17.1 - 95-96

16.7 - 02-03

16.4 - 09-10

10.8 - 09-10

9.3 - 99-00

8.8 - 05-06

8.4 - 95-96

8.4 - 98-99

7.0 - 13-14

6.8 - 95-96

6.6 - 02-03

6.6 - 92-93

6.4 - 09-10

6.1 - 02-03

5.7 - 03-04

5.5 - 08-09

5.3 - 02-03

5.0 - 10-11

4.5 - 94-95

4.1 - 95-96

[WxUSAF]

We b**ch a lot about climo, but the fact that we can make a list of ~10 powerhouse storms in 20 years is pretty damn good.

Ian's article from a couple weeks ago hit this point well.  We're still doing "normal" with big events, perhaps even better than normal as you allude to.  It's the small/medium events that we are losing out on big time in the warming climate. 

[DDweatherman]

1993-2014..says it in the title

Completely missed that Matt.

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yeah.even pathetic DCA has 15, 6" storms since March 1993...that's really not that bad...and it is off the top of my head,..,.It is possible I am forgetting one...Of course 10 of the 15 happened in 95-96/02-03/09-10  lol

 

17.8 - 09-10

17.1 - 95-96

16.7 - 02-03

16.4 - 09-10

10.8 - 09-10

9.3 - 99-00

8.8 - 05-06

8.4 - 95-96

8.4 - 98-99

7.0 - 13-14

6.8 - 95-96

6.6 - 02-03

6.6 - 92-93

6.4 - 09-10

6.1 - 02-03

 

Plus, OTTOMH,. you have the 4-6" storms that were obviously bigger for much of the area

 

Feb 95

Jan 96

Feb 2003

Jan 2004

March 2009

Jan 2011

[snowfan]

January 96 was amazing, but I was in southern PA at the time. The drifting up there is something the cities down here don't do well. It was incredible. Schools were closed for the entire week and I believe we had two hour delays most of the following week as well. That's my personal #1. I was in State College for PDII and the totals up there were not nearly as high as what ya'll saw. I believe our total was 18", while my folks in southern PA had 30.

[hosj III]

Jan 2011 was probably the 2nd highest impact storm in my neighborhood after feb 2010. The tree damage was extreme and widespread, much worse than snowmaggedon. The hellish commute was also a big factor.

Maybe not 2nd, but definitely 6th

[WEATHER53]

Try it with IAD and BWI because DCA is 80%+ unrepresentative of the area.

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Try it with IAD and BWI because DCA is 80%+ unrepresentative of the area.

 

no thanks...feel free to do it if you'd like..I'd be interested in your rankings

 

additionally if you actually read the thread you'll see the rankings are based on the entire area...your contributions here are becoming more and more  of little use

 

993 - 2014 "NESIS"/KU ratings for area generally including MRB/HGR/FDK/DCA/IAD/BWI/EZF/Westminster

[WEATHER53]

 

no thanks...feel free to do it if you'd like..I'd be interested in your rankings

 

additionally if you actually read the thread you'll see the rankings are based on the entire area...your contributions here are becoming more and more  of little use

 

993 - 2014 "NESIS"/KU ratings for area generally including MRB/HGR/FDK/DCA/IAD/BWI/EZF/Westminster

 

Aren't the snow amounts from DCA Mr Nasty Face?

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Aren't the snow amounts from DCA Mr Nasty Face?

 

If you don't like the data I have spent time compiling, feel free to  compile data for BWI/IAD

 

here is a good resource

 

http://climate.usurf.usu.edu/

[WEATHER53]

yeah.even pathetic DCA has 15, 6" storms since March 1993...that's really not that bad...and it is off the top of my head,..,.It is possible I am forgetting one...Of course 10 of the 15 happened in 95-96/02-03/09-10  lol

 

EDIT - added all 4"+ events

 

17.8 - 09-10

17.1 - 95-96

16.7 - 02-03

16.4 - 09-10

10.8 - 09-10

9.3 - 99-00

8.8 - 05-06

8.4 - 95-96

8.4 - 98-99

7.0 - 13-14

6.8 - 95-96

6.6 - 02-03

6.6 - 92-93

6.4 - 09-10

6.1 - 02-03

5.7 - 03-04

5.5 - 08-09

5.3 - 02-03

5.0 - 10-11

4.5 - 94-95

4.1 - 95-96

It's a great thread, lots of research but DCA is for the birds. Not one 18"+ storm and myself and most everyone else around and within 20 miles of DCA has had 4+ 18"+ events since 1993. 

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It's a great thread, lots of research but DCA is for the birds. Not one 18"+ storm and myself and most everyone else around and within 20 miles of DCA has had 4+ 18"+ events since 1993. 

 

everyone knows that......and most can deal with it...IAD is not reflective of my experience...DCA is much more..But I encourage anyone to compile stats for IAD....you'll notice that the stats compilation is a sidebar to the actual thread which covers the WHOLE AREA, and I refer to DCA as pathetic...feel free to contribute something other than complaints

[WEATHER53]

everyone knows that......and most can deal with it...IAD is not reflective of my experience...DCA is much more..But I encourage anyone to compile stats for IAD....you'll notice that the stats compilation is a sidebar to the actual thread which covers the WHOLE AREA, and I refer to DCA as pathetic...feel free to contribute something other than complaints

I did fail to acknowledge your time and effort. I do offer far more than complaints.

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I did fail to acknowledge your time and effort. I do offer far more than complaints.

 

true..you do..I enjoy your contributions when they are more forecasting oriented..you have done well with the pattern much of the winter