hm8 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Since March 2011 I've had one 4"+ snowfall. Toronto's probably going to penny and nickel its way to a 30-35" winter but it's going to feel very hollow without a moderate snowfall at the least. 2 here. One was the clipper last week right at 4". The other was the Dec storm this winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnweather Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 13" and change. It's subjective, but that's shy of "whopper" territory in my books. What do you consider whopper snow storm territory? 18"+? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 What do you consider whopper snow storm territory? 18"+? Whoppers should be like GHD 2011, VD 2007 (close enough), March 2008 OV storm, etc. 18-20"+ deals. But considering Toronto hasn't had an 18" storm in almost 3/4 of a century, I lower my criteria locally to 15"+. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyOn Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 I feel terrible for anyone who legitimately believed 2007-08/2008-09 was the commencement of some sort of little ice age. Indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-K Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 I even managed a 4"+ event last year...SSC continues to show why he continues to underperform relative to climo at an impressive level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonger Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 I feel terrible for anyone who legitimately believed 2007-08/2008-09 was the commencement of some sort of little ice age. I don't think too many people were thinking that.... Horrible winters typically appear back to back or close to it. We had a few sub 20 inch winter in the 1950's that I never thought was possible until last year. Lansing had 18 inches in 1905-1906, still much worse than last years 39. This winter will flirt with disaster, but with 1.5 months to go..... Anything is possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnweather Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Whoppers should be like GHD 2011, VD 2007 (close enough), March 2008 OV storm, etc. 18-20"+ deals. But considering Toronto hasn't had an 18" storm in almost 3/4 of a century, I lower my criteria locally to 15"+. Wow, that is crazy. What is Toronto's all time heaviest snow storm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonger Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 STL has 0.8" this month (six days with a T or more)...you sure you haven't seen a flake? STL has tons of sub 10 inch winters.... They have actually had several sub 5 inch winters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 STL has tons of sub 10 inch winters.... They have actually had several sub 5 inch winters. Yeah, I know. http://www.americanwx.com/bb/index.php/topic/39057-lakesmidwestohio-valley-season-snowfall-project/ "Several" as in five sub-5" seasons, BTW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonger Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 I even managed a 4"+ event last year...SSC continues to show why he continues to underperform relative to climo at an impressive level. More blocks, less blocks... Nothing is playing out this winter or last winter like this video tries to explain. She covers all bases here: More warm, more cold, more snow, less snow, more rain, less rain. We have 100 years to define "normal". "Crazy Weather" is a term laymen use to refer to the typical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerball Posted January 29, 2013 Author Share Posted January 29, 2013 Plus a whopper of a storm in Feb 07. I'm still clinging to Jan 1999 while almost everyone else in this subforum (excluding SE MI I guess) has had a monster within the last 5 years. The NW suburbs got destroyed by that storm from hell (1/1/08). Detroit, not so much. *cue michsnowfreak's frequent snow/snowcover rant* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 The NW suburbs got destroyed by that storm from hell (1/1/08). Detroit, not so much. *cue michsnowfreak's frequent snow/snocover rant* Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Wow, that is crazy. What is Toronto's all time heaviest snow storm? 22.6" fell on December 11-12, 1944. There might have been something bigger back in the 19th century when the records were sketchier, but the above storm is considered the modern era benchmark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 22.6" fell on December 11-12, 1944. There might have been something bigger back in the 19th century when the records were sketchier, but the above storm is considered the modern era benchmark. I have to ask, you know me, sorry... Do you have a list of the top 10 snowstorms for Toronto, "modern day"? Or a rough draft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonger Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 The NW suburbs got destroyed by that storm from hell (1/1/08). Detroit, not so much. *cue michsnowfreak's frequent snow/snocover rant* That storm was hell-a-fun. I was in Novi at the time and it never went over to rain/sleet there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyOn Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 The NW suburbs got destroyed by that storm from hell (1/1/08). Detroit, not so much. *cue michsnowfreak's frequent snow/snocover rant* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmc76 Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 22.6" fell on December 11-12, 1944. There might have been something bigger back in the 19th century when the records were sketchier, but the above storm is considered the modern era benchmark. I consider anything above 15"+ is a whopper and I believe Detroit out of all major cities in the sub forum has gone the longest without one (1974 19.1"). Even St.Louis 82', Toronto 99', Cincinnati 98' and Indy 78' has one +15" since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 I have to ask, you know me, sorry... Do you have a list of the top 10 snowstorms for Toronto, "modern day"? Or a rough draft? Sorry Tim. Outside of the December '44 storm, I know very little about Toronto snowstorms before about 1980. Toronto4 is better with climo stuff than I. I'll ask him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Sorry Tim. Outside of the December '44 storm, I know very little about Toronto snowstorms before about 1980. Toronto4 is better with climo stuff than I. I'll ask him. Thanks Mike. Hopefully T4 has the info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 I consider anything above 15"+ is a whopper and I believe Detroit out of all major cities in the sub forum has gone the longest without one (1974 19.1"). Even St.Louis 82', Toronto 99', Cincinnati 98' and Indy 78' has one +15" since. Which storm in '98 gave Cincy 15"+? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Which storm in '98 gave Cincy 15"+? I had to look it up myself. Feb 4-5, 1998...18.3". How do I not recall that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmc76 Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Which storm in '98 gave Cincy 15"+? The 1997-98 winter is regarded as one of the warmest -- not a day below zero -- but with two major snowstorms. Cincinnati recorded 12.8 inches of snow Jan. 6-7, 1998, and 18.5 inches Feb. 4-6, with a total of 19 inches on the ground Feb. 6. The 18.5 inches Feb. 4-6 was the record for the deepest snow in Cincinnati at that time. The 18.5 inches also was a Cincinnati record for a single storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 And one doesn't need to wonder why they changed the METAR for sleet/ice pellets. When combined with RA of course. Ob from that storm at CVG... METAR KCVG 060454Z 35003KT 5SM -RAPE BR OVC028 M02/M02 A2990 RMK AO2 SLP133 PEB32 SNE44 RAB44 P0001 T10171017 410061028 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Thanks Mike. Hopefully T4 has the info. I Pmed him. I know January 2-3, 1999 (15.1") and February 27-28, 1984 (14.6") are going to be on the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmc76 Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 I Pmed him. I know January 2-3, 1999 (15.1") and February 27-28, 1984 (14.6") are going to be on the list. Can u link me the wx data site for Toronto year by year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 I Pmed him. I know January 2-3, 1999 (15.1") and February 27-28, 1984 (14.6") are going to be on the list. Thanks again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Can u link me the wx data site for Toronto year by year? For pcpn: http://www.climate.weatheroffice.gc.ca/climateData/dailydata_e.html?timeframe=2&Prov=ONT&StationID=5051&dlyRange=1840-03-01|2013-01-26&Month=1&Year=2013&cmdB1=Go&Day=6 For temp/winds/pressure: http://www.climate.weatheroffice.gc.ca/climateData/dailydata_e.html?timeframe=2&Prov=ONT&StationID=31688&dlyRange=2002-06-04|2013-01-27&Year=2013&Month=1&Day=01 Don't ask me why they're bifurcated. It's been like that for the last 10 years or so. Toronto4 knows more about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 The 1997-98 winter is regarded as one of the warmest -- not a day below zero -- but with two major snowstorms. Cincinnati recorded 12.8 inches of snow Jan. 6-7, 1998, and 18.5 inches Feb. 4-6, with a total of 19 inches on the ground Feb. 6. The 18.5 inches Feb. 4-6 was the record for the deepest snow in Cincinnati at that time. The 18.5 inches also was a Cincinnati record for a single storm. Where did you find this? The Feb storm is legit, but the Jan storm is bogus. CVG obs for Jan 6-7, 1998. Jan 6: High of 62º with 0.20" of rainfall Jan 7: High of 61º with 1.81" of rainfall EDIT: should be January 6-7, 1996 (14.4"). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hm8 Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 And one doesn't need to wonder why they changed the METAR for sleet/ice pellets. When combined with RA of course. Ob from that storm at CVG... METAR KCVG 060454Z 35003KT 5SM -RAPE BR OVC028 M02/M02 A2990 RMK AO2 SLP133 PEB32 SNE44 RAB44 P0001 T10171017 410061028 At least it wasn't ++RAPE. Or ++TSRAPE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 I had to look it up myself. Feb 4-5, 1998...18.3". How do I not recall that? Looked at the storm on the NARR page. The apex of thread the needleness. Sfc low along the SE coast with the most marginal of temps. Small cool pool of AOB 0c 850 associated with the mid level low. Foot and a half? Most would be happy with 2 or 3 inches out of that setup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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