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September 8th/9th Severe Thread


andyhb

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Decided to start a specific thread, given the SPC has issued a 30% hatched risk area for Saturday.

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DAY 2 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK

NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK

1225 AM CDT FRI SEP 07 2012

VALID 081200Z - 091200Z

...THERE IS A SLGT RISK OF SVR TSTMS FROM THE MID ATLANTIC AREA

THROUGH THE NERN STATES...

..SYNOPSIS

QUASI-ZONAL SYNOPTIC PATTERN WILL TRANSITION TO A MORE AMPLIFIED

REGIME BY SATURDAY. THE POSITIVE TILT UPPER TROUGH NOW EXTENDING

FROM ONTARIO WSWWD THROUGH MT WILL AMPLIFY SEWD THROUGH THE GREAT

LAKES AND INTO THE OH VALLEY LATER FRIDAY. THIS FEATURE WILL THEN

BECOME NEGATIVELY TILTED AS AN EMBEDDED SHORTWAVE TROUGH EJECTS NEWD

THROUGH THE REMAINDER OF THE OH VALLEY INTO THE NERN STATES SATURDAY

AFTERNOON. SFC LOW WILL DEEPEN IN ASSOCIATION WITH THIS PROCESS AND

LIFT NEWD INTO SRN QUEBEC...WHILE TRAILING COLD FRONT SWEEPS

EWD/SEWD AND OFF THE ATLANTIC SEABOARD AND GULF COAST SATURDAY

NIGHT.

..ERN PORTIONS OF OH VALLEY...MID ATLANTIC THROUGH NERN STATES

A PRE-FRONTAL SQUALL LINE WILL LIKELY BE IN PROGRESS SATURDAY

MORNING FROM THE OH VALLEY SWWD INTO THE TN VALLEY. RICH GULF

MOISTURE /UPPER 60S TO 70F DEWPOINTS/ NOW RESIDING OVER THE MID

ATLANTIC AND SRN PORTIONS OF NERN STATES WILL ADVECT THROUGH

REMAINDER OF THE WARM SECTOR SATURDAY AS SLY LLJ STRENGTHENS IN

ASSOCIATION WITH EJECTING SHORTWAVE TROUGH AND DEEPENING SFC LOW.

WEAK MID LEVEL LAPSE RATES AND AREAS OF CLOUDS WILL MITIGATE

INSTABILITY SOMEWHAT. HOWEVER...BREAKS IN CLOUDS SHOULD ALLOW FOR

SOME DIABATIC WARMING OF THE MOIST BOUNDARY LAYER...CONTRIBUTING TO

MLCAPE FROM 500-1000 J/KG. STORMS ARE EXPECTED TO INTENSIFY ALONG

AND AHEAD OF PRE-EXISTING PROGRESSIVE OUTFLOW BOUNDARY AS WARM

SECTOR DESTABILIZES. DEEP LAYER WINDS WILL INCREASE IN ASSOCIATION

WITH THE SHORTWAVE TROUGH AND ITS ATTENDANT SFC LOW WITH LARGE

HODOGRAPHS AND 40+ KT 0-6 KM SHEAR. ORGANIZED STORMS INCLUDING

LEWP/BOWING STRUCTURES AND EMBEDDED SUPERCELLS WILL BE POSSIBLE AS

ACTIVITY DEVELOPS EWD. DAMAGING WIND AND MAYBE A FEW TORNADOES WILL

BE THE PRIMARY THREATS.

VERTICAL SHEAR PROFILES SHOULD BE WEAKER WITH SWD EXTENT INTO NC

SUGGESTING DOMINANT MULTICELL MODES. HOWEVER...INSTABILITY WILL

PROBABLY BE GREATER IN THIS AREA...AND THESE STORMS MAY BECOME

CAPABLE OF PRODUCING ISOLATED DAMAGING WIND AS THE BOUNDARY LAYER

DESTABILIZES DURING THE AFTERNOON.

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Glad we started a new thread.

My thoughts are here:

http://www.nymetroweather.com/2012/09/07/severe-weather-potential-for-saturday/

I'm loving this potent trough, but I'm still a bit concerned about maybe too much large-scale ascent just because such a potent trough can generate so much lift on a very large scale.

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From what I can glean from the SNE board, looks to be at the NY-CT border around 7-8 pm with perhaps some cells ahead of the main line a bit earlier (As a possibility)

Anyone got the NAM sim radar?

Looks like the squall line moves through between 00z and 02z, but I wouldn't take a 36hr NAM simulated radar verbatim.

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12Z Nam is showing heavy rain with the frontal passage but for folks interested in the max severe potential looks like the timing is going to possibly be off if you look at the cape on the NAM the best numbers are in the late afternoon evening but here is the rainfall heaviest rain as mentioned earlier is going to be around midnight give or take an hour or 2

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Maybe but it is September and we seem to do well this month severe wise. Also its a potent cold front with a fall like air mass behind it.

I'm concerned tomorrow how much the models show LLJ cranking up, just before the main squall line comes in. We could see too much low-topped junk form in just ahead of squall line tomorrow. If that happens, threat for damaging winds or tornadoes would become more isolated.

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Day 2 MDT Risk for the NE

...THERE IS A MDT RISK OF SVR TSTMS FROM NERN MD/NRN DE...NWD INTO

UPSTATE NY/VT/NH...

...THERE IS A SLGT RISK OF SVR TSTMS SURROUNDING THE MDT RISK FROM

THE CAROLINAS INTO WRN ME...

...DAMAGING SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS ARE EXPECTED ACROSS THE

NORTHEASTERN U.S. SATURDAY...

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Like during the winter with snowstorms/blizzards, these severe threats area wide especially close to the coast are difficult to get to materialize especially this year. Case inpoint the derecho threat a couple months ago, severe parameters were maxed out but lapse rates were too meager. Tommorow like weather gun pointed out the LLJ jet ramping up before the main show may cause too much debris/junk could hurt our chances for a more sustained severe line of storms tommorow evening as the trough moves through our area. SPC did the right thing by issueing this kind of forecast, but im still a little weiry about this tommorow as far as too much stuff going on before the main line gets here

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yea labor day 1998 was a biggie...when the Ocean gets warmer it has less effect one severe storms near us...

Yeah, the ocean temperature south of Long Island is 77 degrees this afternoon which is just about the warmest

that I have seen on September 7th. 9/16/10 was also a big day in September. September 1973 was an active

severe month after a very warm start.

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Given the enhanced low level shear on most forecast soundings I would think SPC will issue a 10% tornado probability area over parts of Northern New Jersey and Eastern New York including Western CT and MA. The SREF mean is also hitting this potential hard with some high numbers on the significant tornado ingredients graphic.

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