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December 2020 Medium/Long Term Pattern Discussion.
Carvers Gap replied to John1122's topic in Tennessee Valley
12z GEFS really holding that ridge in the West(though suppressed after d10) along with BN heights in Alaska. Very warm temps in the western states as a chinook is cranking. Looks like a combo of Pacific and Canadian air for here as some of that Alaskan cold makes its way SE towards the EC. Persistent AN temps in the West to even much AN. The MJO still is a fairly weak signal. Some modeling does have clusters that try to rotate it back into the COD or cold phases after a quick trip at low amplitude into the warm phases(measured in just a few days). The SE still remains fairly chilly to seasonal. Going to need more cold air for a winter storm pattern, but not as warm as 6z. I would say this is a timeframe(d12+) of high uncertainty. -
December 2020 Medium/Long Term Pattern Discussion.
Carvers Gap replied to John1122's topic in Tennessee Valley
Just digging through the global ensembles this morning, I think I like the time frame between Dec10-17th in terms of more chances for snow. I wouldn't rule out some snow showers early next week in NE TN, but a good rule of thumb for northern stream energy at range...often trends well north of original modeling. Very well could see some cutters driver the cold boundary south and east of the area between now and the 10th. -
December 2020 Medium/Long Term Pattern Discussion.
Carvers Gap replied to John1122's topic in Tennessee Valley
I do think we will see one more eastern trough amplification prior to BN heights pulling into the Yukon after mid-month. Also, the NAO/AO couplet is a huge wild card along with the PV getting disrupted. I suspect that the weak MJO is going to allow for more mischief than last winter, but again, that is not an earth shattering prediction given how bad last winter was....I actually though the GEFS extended didn't look all of that bad last night(runs once per day). -
December 2020 Medium/Long Term Pattern Discussion.
Carvers Gap replied to John1122's topic in Tennessee Valley
Looks like LR range trends overnight after say d12 are for the EPO/PNA to be positive. The one silver lining is the AO and NAO couplet are negative. Likely means that will the trough is in the West, there will be cold moving eastward periodically over time. That said, let's see if all of that actually verifies. Many of the LR models completely missed the cold during the first two weeks of December. One thing I have noticed is high pressure really want to park itself right over the NW PAC warm pool. So, there may be issues with a deep trough being able to establish itself in the West. -
December 2020 Medium/Long Term Pattern Discussion.
Carvers Gap replied to John1122's topic in Tennessee Valley
The 12z EPS is not a bad look in terms of cold. Probably will be some cutters involved with that look as well which definitely could produce some rumbles of thunder in NE TN. One interesting thing I noticed is the ridge backing into the Bering Strait. Normally, I am not a huge fan of that, but there are some winters where that was prominent and are notable exceptions to that thought. January of 1996 is one of those analogs. In the Northern Hemisphere, the January 96 analog looks nearly identical to what the EPS is depicting at the very end of its run. Yesterday, I thought aloud about whether this winter would be like 89-90 where winter started early and evaporated or if it would be like 95-96 where it continued - obviously any 95-96 reference is a "lite" version as extremes like that are exactly that - extremes. If I get time later I will share the similarities, but one of those similarities is a ridge off the end of the Aleutians and extending into eastern Russia. Rainshadows 59-60 comparison is a good one as well. No idea where this pattern is heading after Christmas, but just kicking the can around a bit. -
December 2020 Medium/Long Term Pattern Discussion.
Carvers Gap replied to John1122's topic in Tennessee Valley
12z GEFS and GEPS definitely showing a trough which slips back into Alaska after 300. LR guidance has been bouncing around with how far that cold can intrude into the US. Depending on where that boundary sets up (the AK trough potential nosing SE) will tell us a lot about things going forward after mid-month. As for severe, the "thunder in the mountains" saying (snow within 10-14 days) has been pretty sound in recent years.... If the MJO can make it out of the COD, will be interesting to see how long it stays in the warmer phases. Some schools of though out there that it may just keep going which would be fine by me. After the system this weekend, there may be a few shots of cold/snow showers after that...we will see if that trough lifts out with the storm or digs in for a few more days. -
December 2020 Medium/Long Term Pattern Discussion.
Carvers Gap replied to John1122's topic in Tennessee Valley
Just looking at today's MJO forecasts...beware. The MJO has gone weak sauce(even more so than the last mention of it I had) - meaning it can barely get out of the COD. The ensemble clusters are either more COD or very weak 4-5-6. The hi-res models, which at one point propagated into warmer phases, are literally stuck in one place. I think this is likely why we are seeing the look that John noted last night which is a trough stretching from AK to the SE. Normally, one would think the SE would have a ridge blunt that cold intrusion. IF(emphasis on IF) the MJO is correct, it may be muted if today's ECMWF and NCEP modeling is accurate on the CPC site. That might ever so slightly open the door for a colder SE than once thought after Christmas. Just spitballing, it might mean we get a normal cold configuration of La Nina, but the SER might be muted enough that cold could head SE. In recent years, that cold has had trouble getting past the Plains, but that was with a very strong MJO which seemed camped out at high amplitude in the warm phases of 4-6. -
The first day of meteorological winter IMBY. Had a dusting on the ground. Wind chills were in the teens for much of the day. The mountains had near blizzard conditions. Ski slopes have to be loving this. No idea if it lasts, but what a great day for winter lovers across the eastern half of the state. That is how you start winter right there.
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December 2020 Medium/Long Term Pattern Discussion.
Carvers Gap replied to John1122's topic in Tennessee Valley
Whole lot of energy running around on that map. Looks like a phase just east of the area to quote a good friend. That said, the trough over TN is about to go negative tilt. As we learned with this last storm, phases are finesse deals. Most modeling just "figured out" today that a storm was possible. Have to think no solution is locked in... That said, I would be feeling pretty good in the NE with that look. We really need to be pulling for that energy to go neg tilt slightly earlier. The 18z GFS was well west of the RGEM and is on the others side of the envelope. Kind of like being in the middle of two solutions at this point. LOL. Great share. Illustrates the complexity and coolness of following winter storms. Bunch of 1s and 0s make a pretty neat map and solution. -
Oak Moon Upslope/ Upper Low Storm Obs
Carvers Gap replied to Holston_River_Rambler's topic in Tennessee Valley
I chose the name Carvers Gap for two reasons. It is where my Grandad used to go birding and was less crowded than the Smokies(not so today) and the wx there is pretty much the most extreme place in Tennessee where I can get that is within about 1.5 hours of leaving my driveway. The extremes are impressive. I don't go up there during storms like this...too dangerous for my blood. I leave that to the young folks. When I go, I go the next day or so. There are times when drifts get up to my waist. This summer, the place was packed. Unfortunately it has been discovered by the hoard. I have a few places still in NE TN where I go which are still crazy weather wise, but tough to top that area in terms of wild weather. That is EXTREME northwest flow right there. Looks like some of that is from round bald just up from the parking lot. Impressive footage. Not jealous of that drive back down though! Again, be sure to have the sound on...this is different than the post above BTW.- 300 replies
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December 2020 Medium/Long Term Pattern Discussion.
Carvers Gap replied to John1122's topic in Tennessee Valley
D14+...Just looking at the MJO, that is some weak sauce stuff. Maybe it trends stronger like last year, but it can barely get out of the COD. And it looks like modeling wants to get it into cooler phases quickly if it goes into the warmer phases at some point - which looks low amplitude at this point. Might be tough to get this trough out of the East...maybe we get the pattern where the cold extends from western Canada and into the nation's mid-section with bouts of cold in the East. Primary storm track is a cutter into the Ohio Valley with secondary up the coast? Are we going to go with a "Dec 1989 Lite" look with a flip to warmth for the rest of winter or maybe a "95-95 Lite" look? I have no idea. The ensembles in the LR seem sort of split on the matter. Those are cold maps around d10+ off the top of my head. Been a long time since we have seen a full latitude trough...of course we could just go zonal. Until then, we might have some more things to track for the next 2.5 - 3 weeks. -
December 2020 Medium/Long Term Pattern Discussion.
Carvers Gap replied to John1122's topic in Tennessee Valley
I know I sound like a broken record, but there is a load of energy about to come together this weekend on the EC. -
December 2020 Medium/Long Term Pattern Discussion.
Carvers Gap replied to John1122's topic in Tennessee Valley
Also beginning to see the pattern breakdown late in week 3 on both the EPS and GEPS with the trough lifting towards Alaska and the SER waiting in the winds as the EPO retrogrades into the Aleutians. Long way off and that could change, but is a very persistent signal on modeling and Weeklies runs. -
December 2020 Medium/Long Term Pattern Discussion.
Carvers Gap replied to John1122's topic in Tennessee Valley
Euro is a big change towards a halfway consolidated low in the Piedmont. EPS concurs. Nice 12z suite. -
December 2020 Medium/Long Term Pattern Discussion.
Carvers Gap replied to John1122's topic in Tennessee Valley
Regarding the 12z suite....That is now the ICON, GFS, and now GEM with systems coming out of the GOM just after hour 84. Again, cold source is lacking...but that track (SE to NE) can be snow in the NW quadrant at this time of year. -
December 2020 Medium/Long Term Pattern Discussion.
Carvers Gap replied to John1122's topic in Tennessee Valley
I am generally suspicious of systems following up a previous system with a similar look...but the set-up is eerily similar to yesterday. -
December 2020 Medium/Long Term Pattern Discussion.
Carvers Gap replied to John1122's topic in Tennessee Valley
12z GEM takes a fairly organized SLP from the panhandle. Snow is middle TN at 102. Even though that has marginal cold, that track will work - especially if that system is that organized. Trending towards something that needs to be watched closely. -
Oak Moon Upslope/ Upper Low Storm Obs
Carvers Gap replied to Holston_River_Rambler's topic in Tennessee Valley
Carvers Gap...different world at that elevation. Sound of the wind makes it even more awesome.- 300 replies
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December 2020 Medium/Long Term Pattern Discussion.
Carvers Gap replied to John1122's topic in Tennessee Valley
Interestingly, both the GFS and ICOn both wrap bring some light snow showers after that system departs. -
December 2020 Medium/Long Term Pattern Discussion.
Carvers Gap replied to John1122's topic in Tennessee Valley
Basically seeing the 12z ICON and 12z GFS develop a low on the front and bring a system NNE from the Panhandle of Florida. Has the potential to be a really big interior NE snowstorm(northeast of here), but will be interesting if someone can get enough marginal, cold air to wrap into the storm to get some snow early in its development. -
December 2020 Medium/Long Term Pattern Discussion.
Carvers Gap replied to John1122's topic in Tennessee Valley
Sure enough, by 102 the GFS has decent snow in SE KY and SW VA - think that is Boone's local. Would not surprise me to see that solution become a bit more robust in terms of scope. -
December 2020 Medium/Long Term Pattern Discussion.
Carvers Gap replied to John1122's topic in Tennessee Valley
Just watching the 12z GFS out to 90, very similar set-up to the UKMET from this AM. -
Oak Moon Upslope/ Upper Low Storm Obs
Carvers Gap replied to Holston_River_Rambler's topic in Tennessee Valley
Beautiful photo. Man, Roan Mountain is just money. Great northwest facing slopes that just funnel air right up those high-elevation, mountain valleys. We have been there at the state park sledding during a northwest even, wind just howls up those valleys like a giant snow maker at Sugar.- 300 replies
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Oak Moon Upslope/ Upper Low Storm Obs
Carvers Gap replied to Holston_River_Rambler's topic in Tennessee Valley
As a general rule and we discuss this often...northwest flow events usually are usually poor from I-81 to the northwest in TRI. Kingsport had a dusting for this event which was more than I expected. Get east of 81, and Bristol did well as evidenced by KV's daughter. Have seen reports that Unicoi had 3" of snow per a tweet from a WJHL reporter. That said, as Blue Ridge noted, the big pulse of energy yesterday was southwest of Rogersville. Morristown down to Knoxville were under an excellent feed. The only time my area really does well with northwest flow stuff is when the fetch is really consistent and the temps are already cold. Lots of downscoping in Kingsport with these events. We often do well if the energy is northern stream only and cold is in place. Kingsport rarely does well with northwest flow if cold is chasing rain. System overall was just too far west for a good portion of TRI. With the low going nearly over our area, just don't get the rush of cold air that folks maybe 25-30 miles to our east did - from a longitude perspective, TRI is quite a bit eastward, especially in relation to this storm. . That said, we do REALLY well in Kingsport with SLPs to our south and east as Kingsport catches the upslope. JC has bigger issues with SE lows as those events create wicked downsloping in regards to temps and precip. I don't complain with these types of events(like yesterday and overnight), because we get our share when often times folks to our southwest don't. More times than not, TRI can score with both the Atlantic and Northwest energy. Latitude and our proximity to the Atlantic give us a ton of advantage...but downscoping is a pain as it can occur from three different directions (SW VA and SE KY often cap our precip amounts here). Overall, I thought modeling did really well with this event. The RGEM seems to handle northwest flow events really well, but the NAM did well as well. For those of us who have been here for a long time and helped get this sub-forum started, alway awesome to see people get excited about the weather, to see the great conversations, to see the reports from different locations, and to see the growth of this weather community. I kind of get a kick out that during a big storm. Great collection of folks.- 300 replies
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December 2020 Medium/Long Term Pattern Discussion.
Carvers Gap replied to John1122's topic in Tennessee Valley
Don't sleep on the 0z GEM for this weekend....was close to a decent storm for the eastern valley. Euro was just an open wave that amounted to nothing. 6z GFS was close. More of an outside shot, but the Canadian gets a bit more weight than usual as it did decently with this last system. I mean the 0z GFS as @TellicoWx mentioned, was decent for middle TN. Last year, we kind of didn't have enough cold with the HB block. This year, we have barely enough, but as last night shows...the cold doesn't have to be overwhelming to get snow. Right now, only the Euro(and that is an important piece) is without a snow solution for someone in the TN Valley forum area. In the LR, definitely a pattern breakdown on the 0z GEPS and 6z GEFS at 500. The 0z EPS is pretty solid. Basically modeling is calling for that really deep trough mid-month to lift into Alaska. Plenty of option on the table which also include and EPO in that area. Right now, I would lean towards that trough lifting out for the last third of the month, but am not confident in that at all. I do think there is potential for cold/snow to return in January(if it indeed leaves). The Cansips this AM has flipped to a cold SE for DEC. It pulls the cold back in January, but based on its 500 look...seems like their is room for cold to move out of the Rockies into the SE...