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Extended summer stormlover74 future snow hole banter thread 23
Roger Smith replied to BxEngine's topic in New York City Metro
Last call for two snowfall contests (deadlines for both are end of Sunday 10th): (1) On our site, in general interest forum, you can enter a nine-location snowfall contest in the Dec 2023 contest thread. (2) At link below, you can enter 25th annual northeast US snowfall contest for 25 locations in the eastern US, as well as storm forecast contests announced on site when available... http://newxsfc.blogspot.com -
Extension of map of recent winter warming into central and n Canada would likely display similar values into arctic islands. At Cambridge Bay on Victoria Island, average of coldest winter mo is up from -35 C to -32 C comparing 1991-2020 data to 1961-1990. Summers are about 1 C warmer now. Snow free season was mid-June to early September and is now late may to mid-September at location (near 70 N). It's a similar story at Resolute located about 500 miles n.e. in central arctic islands. Warming in region not quite as pronounced as data from Svalbard or n Russia but about 2/3 as extreme. Even so, a lot of variability year to year, NWPassage opens up to recreational sailing vessels about 3/4 of summers now but a few recent years were "no passage" -- normally if July means exceed 9 C at YCB and 5 C at YRB, NWPassage will open, and if not, ice will clog straits all of Aug-Sep (normal open season). Back in mid-20century it was considered rare for NWPassage to become ice free.
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Speaking of 1888, apparently NYC residents of the time got weather forecasts in the daily papers, sent by telegraph from DC, but the blizzard brought down the wires in between DC and NY, and the forecast didn't arrive on the morning of the storm. All they knew was a rain changing to snow event was due in, as per the previous forecast, but no word on severity, which was actually in the forecast never received. This could be why by 1895 the weather bureau opened a forecast office in New York.
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People were shorter in 1888, perhaps it wasn't under-measured.
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Mountain West Discussion- cool season '23-24
Roger Smith replied to mayjawintastawm's topic in Central/Western States
We have a lower range to our west and there is a slight chinook effect in the Columbia valley, but it never gets above 50F here in any winter patterns, at least not before late Feb. I saw on Spokane news on TV in local lounge it was 52F today in GEG and CDA, and rivers are in flood around Portland OR where somebody drowned while out for a walk in a park. Our snow is running off fairly steadily and there won't be any left below our elevation by Tuesday afternoon at this rate. Almost a warm rain at moment, 46F. -
Mountain West Discussion- cool season '23-24
Roger Smith replied to mayjawintastawm's topic in Central/Western States
Nasty up my way, snow turned to rain and it's very slick on regional roads especially above my elevation of 3500' ... temp warmed from 20s to 40s today and it's quite foggy. -
Well I had a look (I participate in those contests) and apparently herb @ maws won the 2009-10 contest, the website does not preserve details but given 15-20 were usually in these contests, herb probably forecast close to what happened. I managed to win 2010-2011 and 2011-12 which surprised me since 2011-12 was probably a very snow-deficient winter but I do vaguely recall predicting a mild winter on Eastern wx before we got going here. I was going to plug the ne-wx site and will do it now, follow that link above and check it out. Don Sutherland (NYC) routinely does very well in storm forecasts.
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From an earlier post, these are averages of the past contest winters: averages 2014/2015-2022/2023 ___ 14.5 __ 9.8 __ 15.8 __ 8.3 ___ (total 48.4) past seven avg (2016/17- 22/23) ____ 9.5 __ 6.9 __ 10.3 __ 6.7 ___ (total 33.4)
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GFS run looks similar to Dec 1967, stayed mild to about 22nd and flipped to cold, very cold first two weeks of Jan 1968. I don't foresee entire winter staying mild like last winter, more of an oscillating pattern, some colder spells. Still believe an energy peak around Dec 26-27 could be a snowstorm scenario. Looking at 16d GFS (Dec 19), if actual pattern resembled it, would expect closed low to drop from PAC NW to TX and storm would form in eastern Gulf. If not sufficient blocking to N, NE of NY-PA, could be a strong cutter instead. Anyway, some kind of active wx likely Dec 26-27.
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Table of forecasts for December 2023 FORECASTER ___________________ DCA _NYC _BOS __ ORD _ATL _IAH ____ DEN _PHX _SEA wxallannj ________________________ +2.5 _ +2.2 _+2.0 __+3.2 _+2.4 _+1.6 ___+2.4 _+2.0 _+0.2 so_whats_happening ____________ +1.6 _ +1.0 _ +0.3 __ +2.1 _+1.4 _+1.2 ___+2.2 _+1.8 _+0.5 RJay _____________________________ +1.5 _ +1.5 _+1.5 __ +2.5 _+1.5 _+1.5 ___ +1.5 _+1.0 __ 0.0 hudsonvalley21 __________________ +1.4 _ +0.1 _ +0.4 __ +1.7 _+1.3 _+1.1 ___ +2.3 _+1.2 _+2.7 Scotty Lightning _________________ +1.3 _ +1.1 _ +0.8 __+0.9 _+1.6 _+1.1 ____ 0.0 _ -0.3 _ -0.5 RodneyS _________________________ +1.0 _ +1.2 _ +1.3 __ +2.7 _+0.8 _+1.8 ___+1.7 _ +0.1 __0.0 ___ Consensus ____________________+1.0 _ +0.9 _+0.6 __+1.7 _+1.0 _+1.1 ___ +1.7 _ +1.0 _ +0.2 DonSutherland 1 _________________ +1.0 _ +0.3 __0.0 __ +2.0 _+1.0 _+1.4 ___+3.0 _+2.3 _+3.3 Tom ______________________________ +0.8 _+0.9 _+0.9 __+1.0 _+0.7 _+0.4 ___+0.2 _+0.3 _-0.2 BKViking _________________________ +0.8 _+0.9 _+0.6 __+1.1 _+0.2 _+0.2 ___+0.5 _+0.7 _+1.6 ___ Normal ________________________ 0.0 __ 0.0 __ 0.0 ____0.0 _ 0.0 _ 0.0 ____ 0.0 __ 0.0 __ 0.0 Roger Smith ______________________-0.4 _ -0.6 _ -0.3 __ +0.4 _-1.0 _-1.0 ___ +2.5 _+3.5 _+1.5 wxdude64 _______________________ -1.4 _ -0.9 _ -0.9 __ +0.2 _+0.4 _+0.6 ___+1.1 _ +0.3 _-0.3 ===================== Persistence (Nov 2023) _______________ -0.3 _ -1.3 _ -1.7 ____+1.6 _+1.8 _-0.7 ___ +3.8 _+4.3 _ -1.7 warmest and coldest forecasts are color coded; Normal is coldest for ORD and tied coldest DEN. Snowfall contest entries will be tabulated around Dec 10th
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November 2023 temperature forecast contest
Roger Smith replied to Roger Smith's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
Four Seasons contest 2022-23 __ Final Report Each season is scored 10 points for high total score, then 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2 for 2nd to 7th, and 1 point for anyone else who entered a minimum of 2/3 contests entered. ... DonS and wxallannj have "high min" of 5 seasonal points. FORECASTER _______ Winter __Pts __ Spring __Pts ___Summer __ Pts ___ SEP_OCT_NOV __ Autumn _Pts _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ __ ___ ____ __TOTAL points DonSutherland1 _______ 1722 ___ 6 _____ 1761 ___ 5 _____ 2044 ___10 ____ 742 _ 682 _ 618 __ 2042 __ 10 ______ 31 wxallannj ______________ 1699 ___ 5 _____ 1765 ___ 6 _____ 1854 ___ 6 ____ 650 _ 650 _ 648 __ 1948 ___ 7 _______ 24 hudsonvalley21 _______ 1675 ___ 4 ______1824 ___ 10 _____1756 ___ 2 ____ 652 _ 682 _ 604 __ 1938 ___ 5 _______ 21 ___ Consensus ________ 1682 __ 4.3 ____ 1772 ___ 6.9 ____ 1829 __4.8 ____ 670 _ 654 _ 594 __ 1918 ___ 4.8 _____ 20.8 RodneyS ______________ 1760 ____7 _____ 1543 ____ 1 _____ 1872 ___ 7 ____ 750 _ 542 _ 464 __ 1756 ___ 3 _______ 18 RJay ___________________1879 ___ 10 ____ 1761 ____ 5 _____ 1733 ___ 1 ____ 538 _ 544 _ 590 __ 1672 ___ 1 ________ 17 wxdude64 _____________1518 ____ 1 _____ 1773 ____ 7 _____ 1832 ___ 5 ____ 614 _ 620 _ 586 __ 1820 ___ 4 _______ 17 so_whats_happening __ 1620 ___2 _____ -- -- _____0 _____1024* ___ 1 ____ 652 _ 687 _ 600 __ 1939 ___ 6 _______ 9 Scotty Lightning ______ 1147 ___ 1 _____ 1676 ____ 3 _____ 1642 ____ 1 ____ 650 _ 612 _ 546 __ 1808 ___ 3 _______ 8 Tom __________________ 1545 ____ 1 _____ 1281 ____ 1 _____ 1818 ____ 4 ____ 590 _ 550 _ 588 __ 1728 ___ 1 _______ 7 Roger Smith __________ 1626 ___ 3 _____ 1409 ____ 1 _____ 1460 ____ 1 ____ 494 _ 690 _ 564 __ 1748 ___ 2 ______ 7 BKViking ______________ 1576 ___ 1 _____ 1580 ____ 1 _____ 1804 ____ 3 ____ 676 _ ----_ 586 __ 1262*___ 1 _______ 6 Rhino 16 _______________ -- -- ___ 0 _____ 1675 ____2 _____1068* ___ 1 ____ 664 _ ---- _ 656 __ 1320* ___ 1 ______ 4 ___ Normal ____________ 1076 ____1 _____ 1570 ____ 1 _____ 1682 ____ 1 ____ 546 _ 492 _ 556 __ 1594 ___ 1 _______ 4 StormchaserChuck ____ 674** _ 0 _____ 1212*____ 1 _____ -- -- __ -- -- __ 562 __ --- _ --- ____ 562** __ 0 ______ 1 * 2/3 contests entered in season - eligible for 1 point. ** 1/3 contests entered -- no points in four seasons contest _______________________________________________ Congrats to Don Sutherland1 who blazed ahead in summer and autumn (top scores in both seasons). Wxallannj was a solid second scoring well in each season. hudsonvalley was third, with a top score in spring 2023. RodneyS fourth, RJay (top score winter 2022-23) and wxdude64 tied fifth -
I was going to post yesterday but got lost in a wilderness of forecast contests, Dec 1 1962 you can add to files: 1962 _ Canada's 50th annual football championship, the Grey Cup, was severely affected by dense fog and by the third quarter the game was halted; it was not possible to play until the next day; despite better conditions, no further scoring occurred. This occurred at the Exhibition Stadium in Toronto, known as the "mistake by the lake" ... several later Grey Cup games at the same location were subjected to heavy rain (1982) and strong winds (1965) on late Nov dates. Toronto built an indoor domed stadium in the 1990s. Vancouver and montreal also have domes but other locations sometimes used resemble Lambeau Field in Green Bay in Dec or early January. The severe fog episode in 1962 was caused by a stagnant high lasting almost a week. You could also add this note, perhaps to other data for Dec 3rd: 1982 _ Toronto City hit 68.4 F on this date, a full 8F warmer than its previous Dec record of 61F (Dec 31, 1875). Toronto records go back to 1840. This record has not been surpassed since 1982. The month's average 2.3C was also a new (tied 1923) record (again tied 1998) but that shared record was broken four times after 1998, in 2006 (2.9C not a record, see 2001), 2001 at 3.2 C and most recently in 2015 at 5.2 C (and also in 2021 at 2.5 C but that did not beat 2015, 2001 or 2006). 2011, 2012 and 1984 round out the top ten. Dec is the only month to have nine of its top ten in the post-1980 era. February managed eight, 1954 and 1976 are its less recent two.
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Just a reminder to you and all entrants, our snowfall contest runs Sep to June and DEN is already at 10.4" -- does it alter your assessment at all? All snowfall forecasts can be edited to Dec 10, forecast table date. Except for 10.4" already measured, I am equal to your forecast at 45" if you were basing it on now to end. ORD (2.7), DTW (2.4"), BUF (2.3") and BTV (5.0") already saw a bit of snow too. Those count towards contest values. Note also, a forecast contest is available (for 25th annual) at TQ's "northeast US snowfall contest" site; his contest period is Dec 1 to march 31, and because of late startup the deadline is Dec 10. There will also be storm forecast contests. DonS and I are regular participants, and I think some others from Am Wx are participants too, under different usernames. Give it a look, it's a blast (to see Don beating everyone). I did well in 2010 (or was it 1870?). Link to it here: http://www.newx-forecasts.com/#RULES
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Extended summer stormlover74 future snow hole banter thread 23
Roger Smith replied to BxEngine's topic in New York City Metro
Just a heads up for contest entrants, 30 days hath Nov ... and it's a wrap. -
Google + AI = Superior Weather forecasting
Roger Smith replied to J.Mike's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
Northeast U.S. snowstorm Dec 26-27. Your move Google AI. -
Current scoring in order (with alternate scoring for one additional storm) (scroll down for final scoring table) forum _FORECASTER ______ storms _hurr _major __ (your current score) (possible future score) _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ err s _ h _ m _ score (100-sum err) _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _S _ _ _H _ _ _ M _ _(deductions) _ 20 7 3 _ _ 21 7 3 _ _ 21 8 3 AM _ yotaman (31) _______________ 16 ____ 7 ____ 3 _____ -5 _0 _0 ______ 95.0 ___ 92.5 ___ 91.5 IE __ tae laidir (IE-1) ______________ 18 ____ 9 ____ 4 _____-1.5 -3 -1 _____ 94.5 ___ 93.0 ___ 95.0 AM _ wkd (4) _____________________ 16 ____ 7 ____ 4 _____ -5 _0 -1 ______ 94.0 ___ 91.5 ___ 90.5 AM _ hotair (18) __________________ 16 ____ 6 ____ 3 _____ -5 -1 _0 ______ 94.0 ___ 91.5 ___ 89.5 AM _ solidicewx (28) _____________ 16 ____ 7 ____ 4 _____ -5 _0 -1 ______ 94.0 ___ 91.5 ___ 90.5 AM _ diggiebot (12) _______________15 ____ 7 ____ 3 _____ -7.5 _0 _0 _____ 92.5 ___ 89.5 ___ 88.5 AM _ Torch Tiger (23) _____________15 ____ 7 ____ 3 _____ -7.5 _0 _0_____ 92.5 ___ 89.5 ___ 88.5 --- ___ CSU _______________________ 15 ____ 7 ____ 3 _____ -7.5 _0 _0_____ 92.5 ___ 89.5 ___ 88.5 --- ___ TWC _______________________15 ____ 7 ____ 3 _____ -7.5 _0 _0_____ 92.5 ___ 89.5 ___ 88.5 AM _ Stebo (26) __________________ 15 ____ 7 ____ 2 _____ -7.5 _0 -1 _____ 91.5 ___ 88.5 ___ 87.5 NW _ SummerShower (NW-3) ____ 17 ____10 ____ 3 _____-3 -6 _0 ______ 91.0 ___ 89.0 ___ 92.0 AM _ wxdude64 (15) _____________ 16 ____ 5 ____ 2 _____ -5 -3 -1 ______ 91.0 ___ 88.5 ___ 85.5 AM _ GramaxRefugee (33)_______ 16 ____ 5 ____ 2 _____ -5 -3 -1 _______ 91.0 ___ 88.5 ___ 85.5 AM _ Ineedsnow (44) _____________16 ____ 9 ____ 4 _____ -5 -3 -1 ______ 91.0 ___ 88.5 ___ 90.5 AM _ WxWatcher007 (20) _________15 ____ 6 ____ 2 _____ -7.5 -1 -1 _____ 90.5 ___ 87.5 ___ 85.5 --- ___ NOAA median ______________14.5___7.0 ___2.5 ____-9.1 _0 -0.4 ___90.5 ___ 86.7 ___ 85.7 AM _ BrandonC_TX (36) __________15 ____ 8 ____ 4 _____ -7.5 -1 -1 _____ 90.5 ___ 87.5 ___ 88.5 AM _ SouthCoastMA (10) _________17 ____10 ____ 4 _____ -3 -6 -1 ______ 90.0 ___ 88.0 ___ 91.0 IE __ JPmarn (IE-2) _______________ 14 ____ 7 ____ 3 ____-10.5 _0 _0 ____ 89.5 ___ 86.0 ___ 85.0 NW _ Emmett Garland (NW-1) ___ 16 ____10 ____ 3 _____ -5 -6 _0 ______ 89.0 ___ 86.5 ___ 89.5 IE __ Mr Skinner (IE-3) ___________ 16 ____ 9 ____ 5 _____ -5 -3 -3 ______ 89.0 ___ 86.5 ___ 88.5 AM _ NorthArlington101 (1) _______ 14 ____ 6 ____ 3 ____-10.5 -1 _0 ____ 88.5 ___ 85.0 ___ 83.0 AM _ nvck (45) ___________________ 14 ____ 8 ____ 3 ____-10.5 -1 _0 ____ 88.5 ___ 85.0 ___ 86.0 _______ Consensus _______________ 13.8 __ 6.8 __ 2.8 ___-11.2 -0.2 -0.2__ 88.4 ___ 85.0 ___ 83.8 AM _ JConsor (13) _________________14 ____ 8 ____ 4 ____-10.5 -1 -1 _____ 87.5 ___ 84.0 ___ 85.0 --- ___ UK Met Office _____________ 20 ___ 11 ____ 5 _____ _0 -10 -3 _____ 87.0 ___ 86.5 ___ 90.5 AM _ IntenseWind002 (5) _________ 14 ____ 5 ____ 3 ____-10.5 -3 _0 ____ 86.5 ___ 83.0 ___ 80.0 AM _ LovintheWhiteFluff (34) _____19 ___ 11 ____ 5 _____-0.5 -10 -3 ____ 86.5 ___ 85.5 ___ 89.5 AM _ StormchaserChuck1 (42) ___ 21 ____11 ____ 5 ____ -0.5 -10 -3 ____ 86.5 ___ 87.0 ___ 91.0 AM _ Marsman (14) _______________ 15 ____ 4 ____ 2 _____ -7.5 -6 -1 _____85.5 ___ 82.5 ___ 78.5 AM _ Superstorm93 (22) __________13 ____ 7 ____ 2 _____ -14 _ 0 -1 ____ 85.0 ___ 81.0 ___ 80.0 AM _ Yoda (40) ____________________13 ____ 7 ____ 4 _____ -14 _0 -1 ____ 85.0 ___ 81.0 ___ 80.0 AM _ George BM (41) ______________13 ____ 6 ____ 3 _____ -14 -1 _0 ____ 85.0 ___ 81.0 ___ 79.0 AM _ NCForecaster89 (37) ________13 ____ 6 ____ 2 _____ -14 -1 -1 _____ 84.0 ___ 80.0 ___ 78.0 AM _ Roger Smith (19) ____________ 19 ___ 12 ____ 4 _____-0.5 -15 -1 ___ 83.5 ___ 82.5 ___ 87.5 NW _ Kirkcaldy Weather (NW-4) __ 16 ____11 ____ 5 _____ -5 -10 -3 ____ 82.0 ___ 79.5 ___ 83.5 AM _ Rhino 16 (2) _________________ 12 ____ 7 ____ 3 ____-18 _0 _0 _____ 82.0 ___ 77.5 ___ 76.5 AM _ North hills wx (24) ___________ 13 ____ 5 ____ 2 ____ -14 -3 -1 ____ 82.0 ___ 78.0 ___ 75.0 AM _ Newman (30) ________________ 13 ____ 5 ____ 2 ____ -14 -3 -1 ____ 82.0 ___ 78.0 ___ 75.0 AM _ rclab (43) ____________________ 12 ____ 8 ____ 3 ____-18 -1 _0 _____ 81.0 ___ 76.5 ___ 77.5 AM _ crownweather (11) ___________ 12 ____ 6 ____ 2 ____-18 -1 -1 _____ 80.0 ___ 75.5 ___ 73.5 AM _ Alfoman (25) _________________ 13 ____ 5 ____ 1 ____ -14 -3 -3 ____ 80.0 ___ 76.0 ___ 73.0 AM _ Chrisrotary12 (38) ____________13 ____ 5 ____ 1 ____ -14 -3 -3 ____ 80.0 ___ 76.0 ___ 73.0 AM _ Cat Lady (7) _________________ 12 ____ 5 ____ 3 ____-18 -3 _0 _____ 79.0 ___ 74.5 ___ 71.5 AM _ RJay (17) ____________________ 12 ____ 5 ____ 2 ____-18 -3 -1 _____ 78.0 ___ 73.5 ___ 70.5 AM _ cheese007 (35) _____________ 12 ____ 5 ____ 2 ____-18 -3 -1 _____ 78.0 ___ 73.5 ___ 70.5 AM _ Eyewall (27) _________________ 12 ____ 4 ____ 2 ____-18 -6 -1 _____ 75.0 ___ 70.5 ___ 66.5 IE ___ Pauldry (IE-4) ______________ 21 ____11 ____ 8 ____ -0.5 -10 -15 ___74.5 ___ 75.0 ___ 79.0 AM _ LakeNormanStormin (3) _____11 ____ 5 ____ 2 ____ -22.5 -3 -1 ____73.5 ___ 68.5 ___ 65.5 AM _ mob1 (8) ____________________ 11 ____ 5 ____ 2 ____ -22.5 -3 -1 ____73.5 ___ 68.5 ___ 65.5 AM _ Malacka 11 (29) _____________ 11 ____ 5 ____ 2 ____ -22.5 -3 -1 ____73.5 ___ 68.5 ___ 65.5 AM _ cnimbus (6) _________________ 10 ____ 7 ____ 2 ___ -27.5 _0 -1 ____ 71.5 ___ 66.0 ___ 65.0 AM _ Matthew70 (32) ____________ 11 ____ 4 ____ 2 ____ -22.5 -6 -1 ____70.5 ___ 65.5 ___ 61.5 AM _ Ed, snow and hurricane fan(16)_10.5__4.5__2 ___-25 -4.4 -1 ____ 69.6 ___ 64.4___ 62.0 NW _ Neil N (NW-2) _______________ 12 ____ 11 ____ 1 ___-18 -10 -3 ____ 69.0 ___ 64.5 ___ 68.5 AM _ GaWx (21) ___________________ 10 ____ 5 ____ 2 ___-27.5 -3 -1 ____ 68.5 ___ 63.0 ___ 60.0 NW _ Summer Blizzard (NW-5) ____10 ____ 4 ____ 2 ___-27.5 -6 -1 ____ 65.5 ___ 60.0 ___ 56.0 AM _ The Iceman (39) _____________10 ____ 4 ____ 1 ___-27.5 -6 -3 ____ 63.5 ___ 58.0 ___ 54.0 AM _ Olafminesaw (9) _____________ 7 ____ 3 ____ 2 ___-45.5 -10 -1 ___ 43.5 ___ 36.5 ___ 31.5 ____________________________________ 54 entries (45 AM, 5 NW, 4 IE) and four expert forecasts added NW = Net-weather (UK forum) and IE = boards.ie weather forum Consensus is derived from contest means (excluding expert forecasts) ======================================== Final results 2023 Tropical Contest ** note: ranks are shown (a) all entrants and (b) within your home forum, as three forums were participating (American Weather had the majority of entries, Boards.ie and Net-weather also had a few entries). As an example of how to read your contest ranks, taking 19th place North Arlington 101, that entry was 19th overall and 14th among American Weather Forum entrants. (19 14AM). Ranks are given for non-contest entrants but those do not affect later ranks of actual contest entrants. forum _FORECASTER ______ storms _hurr _major __ (your final score) _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ err s _ h _ m _ score (100-sum err) _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _S _ _ _H _ _ _ M _ _(deductions) _ 20 7 3 Ranks** 01 01AM _ yotaman (31) _______________ 16 ____ 7 ____ 3 _____ -5 _0 _0 ______ 95.0 ___ 02 01IE __ tae laidir (IE-1) ______________ 18 ____ 9 ____ 4 _____-1.5 -3 -1 _____ 94.5 ___ 03 02AM _wkd (4) _____________________ 16 ____ 7 ____ 4 _____ -5 _0 -1 ______ 94.0 ___ 04 03AM _hotair (18) __________________ 16 ____ 6 ____ 3 _____ -5 -1 _0 ______ 94.0 ___ 05 04AM _solidicewx (28) _____________ 16 ____ 7 ____ 4 _____ -5 _0 -1 ______ 94.0 ___ 06 05AM _diggiebot (12) _______________15 ____ 7 ____ 3 _____ -7.5 _0 _0 ____ 92.5 ___ 07 06AM _Torch Tiger (23) _____________15 ____ 7 ____ 3 _____ -7.5 _0 _0_____ 92.5 ___ (08) --- ___ CSU _______________________ 15 ____ 7 ____ 3 _____ -7.5 _0 _0_____ 92.5 ___ (08) --- ___ TWC _______________________15 ____ 7 ____ 3 _____ -7.5 _0 _0_____ 92.5 ___ 08 07AM _ Stebo (26) __________________15 ____ 7 ____ 2 _____ -7.5 _0 -1 _____ 91.5 ___ 09 01NW _ SummerShower (NW-3) ____17 ____10 ____ 3 _____-3 -6 _0 ______ 91.0 ___ 10 08AM _ wxdude64 (15) _____________ 16 ____ 5 ____ 2 _____ -5 -3 -1 ______ 91.0 ___ 11 09AM _ GramaxRefugee (33) _______ 16 ____ 5 ____ 2 _____ -5 -3 -1 ______ 91.0 ___ 12 10AM _ Ineedsnow (44) _____________16 ____ 9 ____ 4 _____ -5 -3 -1 ______ 91.0 ___ 13 11AM _ WxWatcher007 (20) _________15 ____ 6 ____ 2 _____ -7.5 -1 -1 _____ 90.5 ___ (13) --- __ NOAA median ______________14.5___7.0 ___2.5 ____-9.1 _0 -0.4 ____ 90.5 ___ 14 12AM _ BrandonC_TX (36) __________15 ____ 8 ____ 4 _____ -7.5 -1 -1 _____ 90.5 ___ 15 13AM _ SouthCoastMA (10) _________17 ____10 ____ 4 _____ -3 -6 -1 ______ 90.0 ___ 16 02IE __ JPmarn (IE-2) _______________ 14 ____ 7 ____ 3 ____-10.5 _0 _0 ____ 89.5 ___ 17 02NW _Emmett Garland (NW-1) ____ 16 ____10 ____ 3 _____ -5 -6 _0 ______89.0 ___ 18 03IE __ Mr Skinner (IE-3) ___________ 16 ____ 9 ____ 5 _____ -5 -3 -3 ______ 89.0 ___ 19 14AM _ NorthArlington101 (1) _______14 ____ 6 ____ 3 ____-10.5 -1 _0 ____ 88.5 ___ 20 15AM _ nvck (45) ___________________ 14 ____ 8 ____ 3 ____-10.5 -1 _0 ____ 88.5 ___ 21 ---- _______ Consensus ___________ 13.8 __ 6.8 __ 2.8 ___-11.2 -0.2 -0.2__ 88.4 ___ 21 16AM _ JConsor (13) ________________14 ____ 8 ____ 4 ____-10.5 -1 -1 _____ 87.5 ___ 22 ---- ___ UK Met Office _____________ 20 ___ 11 ____ 5 _____ _0 -10 -3 _____ 87.0 ___ 22 17AM _ IntenseWind002 (5) ________ 14 ____ 5 ____ 3 ____-10.5 -3 _0 ____ 86.5 ___ 23 18AM _ LovintheWhiteFluff (34) _____19 ___ 11 ____ 5 ____ -0.5 -10 -3 ____ 86.5 ___ 24 19AM _ StormchaserChuck1 (42) ___21 ____11 ____ 5 ____ -0.5 -10 -3 ____ 86.5 ___ 25 20AM _ Marsman (14) ______________ 15 ____ 4 ____ 2 _____ -7.5 -6 -1 _____85.5 ___ 26 21AM _ Superstorm93 (22) __________13 ____ 7 ____ 2 _____ -14 _ 0 -1 ____ 85.0 ___ 27 22AM _ Yoda (40) ___________________13 ____ 7 ____ 4 _____ -14 _ 0 -1 ____ 85.0 ___ 28 23AM _ George BM (41) _____________13 ____ 6 ____ 3 _____ -14 -1 _0 ____ 85.0 ___ 29 24AM _ NCForecaster89 (37) _______ 13 ____ 6 ____ 2 _____ -14 -1 -1 ____ 84.0 ___ 30 25AM _ Roger Smith (19) ____________19 ___ 12 ____ 4 _____-0.5 -15 -1 ___ 83.5 ___ 31 03NW _ Kirkcaldy Weather (NW-4) __ 16 ____11 ____ 5 _____ -5 -10 -3 ____82.0 ___ 32 26AM _ Rhino 16 (2) _________________12 ____ 7 ____ 3 ____-18 _0 _0 _____ 82.0 ___ 33 27AM _ North hills wx (24) __________ 13 ____ 5 ____ 2 ____ -14 -3 -1 _____ 82.0 ___ 34 28AM _ Newman (30) _______________ 13 ____ 5 ____ 2 ____ -14 -3 -1 _____ 82.0 ___ 35 29AM _ rclab (43) ___________________ 12 ____ 8 ____ 3 ____ -18 -1 _0 _____ 81.0 ___ 36 30AM _ crownweather (11) __________ 12 ____ 6 ____ 2 ____ -18 -1 -1 _____ 80.0 ___ 37 31AM _ Alfoman (25) _________________13 ____ 5 ____ 1 _____-14 -3 -3 ____ 80.0 ___ 38 32AM _ Chrisrotary12 (38) ___________13 ____ 5 ____ 1 ____ -14 -3 -3 ____ 80.0 ___ 39 33AM _ Cat Lady (7) ________________ 12 ____ 5 ____ 3 ____ -18 -3 _0 ____ 79.0 ___ 40 34AM _ RJay (17) ____________________12 ____ 5 ____ 2 ____ -18 -3 -1 _____ 78.0 ___ 41 35AM _ cheese007 (35) _____________ 12 ____ 5 ____ 2 ____-18 -3 -1 _____ 78.0 ___ 42 36AM _ Eyewall (27) _________________12 ____ 4 ____ 2 ____ -18 -6 -1 _____ 75.0 ___ 43 04IE ___ Pauldry (IE-4) ______________ 21 ____11 ____ 8 ____ -0.5 -10 -15 ___74.5 ___ 44 37AM _ LakeNormanStormin (3) _____ 11 ____ 5 ____ 2 ____-22.5 -3 -1 ____73.5 ___ 45 38AM _ mob1 (8) ____________________ 11 ____ 5 ____ 2 ____ -22.5 -3 -1 ____73.5 ___ 46 39AM _ Malacka 11 (29) _____________ 11 ____ 5 ____ 2 ____ -22.5 -3 -1 ____73.5 ___ 47 40AM _ cnimbus (6) _________________ 10 ____ 7 ____ 2 ___ -27.5 _0 -1 ____ 71.5 ___ 48 41AM _ Matthew70 (32) _____________ 11 ____ 4 ____ 2 ____-22.5 -6 -1 ____70.5 ___ 49 42AM _ Ed, snow and hurricane fan(16)_10.5__4.5__2 ___-25 -4.4 -1 ____ 69.6 ___ 50 04NW _ Neil N (NW-2) _______________ 12 ____ 11 ___ 1 ___-18 -10 -3 _____ 69.0 ___ 51 43AM _ GaWx (21) ____________________10 ____ 5 ____ 2 ___-27.5 -3 -1 ____ 68.5 ___ 52 05NW _ Summer Blizzard (NW-5) ____ 10 ____ 4 ____ 2 ___-27.5 -6 -1 ____ 65.5 ___ 53 44AM _ The Iceman (39) _____________ 10 ____ 4 ____ 1 ___ -27.5 -6 -3 ____ 63.5 ___ 54 45AM _ Olafminesaw (9) ______________ 7 ____ 3 ____ 2 ___ -45.5 -10 -1 ___ 43.5 ___ ____________________________________ 54 entries (45 AM, 5 NW, 4 IE) and four expert forecasts added NW = Net-weather (UK forum) and IE = boards.ie weather forum Consensus is derived from contest means (excluding expert forecasts)
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Applying some research into energy peaks and feeding that into projected patterns, it looks like GFS is on track for first ten days, so I will just comment past that interval. Large energy peak Dec 11-12 is already showing up on model runs and I believe the depiction today is about how this one plays out, a coastal secondary acting a bit like an Apps runner and so 40s to low 50s, windy and turning very cold afterwards (briefly), 1-3" snow potential for higher portions of region west and north. A more moderate energy peak around Dec 18-20 would likely be a Colorado to Ohio to Vermont storm track, so could produce some warm advection snows in e PA and n md. In a best case scenario, blocking begins to establish to north and forces this one to redevelop around Delmarva, then it could be a 4-6 inch snowfall event. For now I will go with low 40s, rain in I-95 corridor and mixed precip north. A better chance for a winter storm exists in period Dec 25-27 for a more classic nor'easter and as this is a very large energy peak, it could be a significant storm. If blocking fails to develop by then it would more likely be a cutter. But if there is going to be one big storm in December, I would say Dec 25-26 (26-27 timing more for New England). This approximately seven-day energy peak cycle will probably maintain into January and I look for very large amplitude upper patterns that could produce all sorts of anomalous conditions across eastern NA. February may return to more of a classic coastal storm track and I am more optimistic about Feb than Jan. A key transitional period will be around Jan 24-25. If a blockbuster Feb is on tap, signs of its arrival will be either a fast change from mild to cold around those dates, or the onset of a storm track similar to Jan 30 to early Feb 2010. I believe it will be a very active winter and not very similar to last winter, or 2015-16 in terms of only two wintry events of note. From snowfall contest I can see this is a fairly widespread viewpoint.
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Nice work GAtech, and all top finishers, full standings can be seen in a table I created a while ago now back on page 2. Terpeast was able to secure fourth with closest DCA forecast. I was able to avoid last by any DCA freeze before Dec 28.
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It could still be today with a midnight low as it's likely to drop well below 32F by 0600h. At mid-day only around 24F in locations near overnight cresting high. Could see 18-24 F around region by 0600h.
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Mountain West Discussion- cool season '23-24
Roger Smith replied to mayjawintastawm's topic in Central/Western States
A very dry and relatively sunny November up by BC-WA border, in contrast to usual low cloud and mixed rain/snow sort of regime we expect. Quite cold also, GEG anomaly is +0.8F but I suspect we are closer to -2 or so. Not much snow yet even at higher elevations, cover ranges from trace amounts in valley to 1-2" in town to 4-6" alpine ski areas at around 5,000' nearby. Bears are not fully into hibernation and still looking for unlocked cars around town. Last few nights very cold, around 15 F. -
The midnight low was 35F and it appears to be stuck around 36F at 0400h. Looks possible for a freeze before 0800h but not a done deal yet. Even so, there is no doubt about the outcome now, except for possible changes of ranks 4, 5 and 11 to end for last two in current ranking table (see previous table for details).
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With a cold day expected tomorrow, here is a historical overview for NYC: Records for Nov 28: low max __ 24 1871 (min was 16) low min ___ 15 1930 (max was 27) The low max was tied second coldest of Nov to 28th, with 24F also on Nov 21st 1879 and they were one deg behind 23F on 22nd 1880. It was 25F again on Nov 29, 1871 for another record low max. These early season marks were all obliterated by 14F on Nov 30, 1875. The 1871 cold spell continued with 22F on Nov 30th and this is still second lowest max of month. The lowest min before 28th was 12F on Nov 27, 1932. Again, this was blown away by 5F on Nov 30, 1875. The second lowest 12F was tied on Nov 30, 1929. Since the 24 in 1871, 26 in 1901, and 27 in 1882 and 1930, the lowest max on Nov 28 was 31 in 1996. It was 35 in 2002, 2013. Since the 15F in 1930, the lowest min was 22 on several occasions, most recently 1951. It was 23 in 1996.
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Last month of the 2023 contest year, but even so, a good month to enter for first time because (a) you will be fully participating in winter portion of contest Dec Jan Feb, and also (b) because you can enter the annual snowfall contest. For temperatures, predict anomalies relative to 1991-2020 averages for these nine locations: __ DCA _NYC _BOS __ ORD _ATL _IAH ____ DEN _PHX _SEA and for snowfall, we substitute DTW, BUF and BTV for ATL _IAH _ PHX so the order of forecasts for snow is __ DCA _NYC _BOS __ ORD _DTW _BUF ____ DEN _ SEA _ BTV (precise snowfall order does not matter so long as it's clear which locations are to be associated wit your numbers). The temperature contest has a deadline for on-time penalty free entries, 06z Friday Dec 1st. For the snowfall contest, I would appreciate having your entries soon but no exact deadline, let's say 10th of Dec will be when I might contact any stragglers. (predict total seasonal snowfall including any already fallen, into spring of 2024) By the way, a long-running "northeast US snowfall contest" blog site has gone dormant this fall and there is no call for forecasts, anyone know what's up? Some Am-Wx members participate in it, but I don't believe the organizer "TQ" is a member of Am-Wx. I hope all is well. I may see if I can collect some seasonal forecasts if the site does not come to life soon, and also, I may try to run some storm forecast contests similar to what normally occurs on that site, but here at American Weather. That will be announced separately if necessary (I hope it is not necessary). Over and out ... Nov scoring estimates are posted including annual updates. DonS has a pretty substantial lead over wxallannj and hudsonvalley21, the two closest and those three are our only forecasters ahead of Consensus at present time. Rjay is fourth and wxdude64 has overtaken RodneyS as of current scoring.
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November 2023 temperature forecast contest
Roger Smith replied to Roger Smith's topic in Weather Forecasting and Discussion
=== === <<<< ---- ANNUAL SCORING for JANUARY - NOVEMBER 2023 ---- >>>> === === ... ... one ranking difference so far, wxdude64 into 5th (was 6th) Best scores for the nine locations are shown with red highlight, best totals for regions in bold. FORECASTER ______________ DCA_NYC_BOS__east__ORD_ATL_IAH__cent ___ c/e___ DEN_ PHX_ SEA __ west __ TOTALS DonSutherland1 ___________ 766 _710 _ 776 __2252 __860 _842 _728 __2430__4682 __789 _680 _776 __2245 ____6927 wxallannj __________________ 721 _700 _ 735 __ 2156 __845 _838 _624__ 2307 __4463 __741 _694 _696 __ 2131 ____6594 ___ Consensus _____________719 _678 _ 741 __ 2138__ 841 _738 _683 __2262 __4400 __ 657 _621 _ 822 __2100 ____6500 hudsonvalley21 ____________731 _684 _ 755 __2170 __856 _765 _673 __ 2294 __4464 __638 _572 _ 825 __ 2035 ____6499 RJay _______________________674 _644 _ 641 __1959 __ 785 _732 _726__ 2243 __4202 __ 633 _695 _ 827 __ 2155 ____ 6357 wxdude64 _________________714 _729 _ 672 __2115 __ 621 _778 _634 __ 2033 __4148 __ 729 _ 626 _ 794 __ 2149 ____6297 RodneyS __________________ 712 _668 _ 716 __2096 __ 677 _621 _708 __ 2006 __4102 __ 719 _ 556 _ 826 __ 2101 ____6203 Scotty Lightning ___________645 _640 _680 __1965 __ 741 _689 _634 __ 2064 __4029 __ 558 _474 _ 676 __ 1708 ____5737 ... pro-rated scores are added in brackets for most below this point in the table ... ... ... ... Tom's unimproved score is still (just) ahead of Roger Smith and 180 points below Scotty L ... ... ... ... Tom's pro-rated score is between 6th and 7th place above in the scoring table (just below RodneyS). ... ... ... BKViking's pro-rated score is just below Tom's and gross score just below Roger Smith. ... ... ... Stormchaser Chuck's pro-rated score is between 1st and 2nd, below only contest leader Don Sutherland1 and a little above 2nd place wxallannj. ... ... ... so_whats_happening has a pro-rated score between 7th and 8th similar to pro-rated scores for Tom and BKViking. ... ... ... rhino16 has a pro-rated score between 3rd and 4th just in front of RJay ..................................... ...... scores _ pro-rated to 11 Tom (10/11) _________________667 _612 _639 __1918 __616 _618 _632 __1866 __ 3784 __638 _490 _709 __1837 _____5621 (6183) Roger Smith ________________642 _556 _560 __1758 __611 _563 _708 __1882 __ 3640 __ 545 _586 _816 __1947 ____ 5587 BKViking (10/11) ____________642 _584 _657 __1883 __ 729 _608 _635 __1972 __ 3855 __503 _526 _650 __1679 ____ 5534 (6087) ___ Normal __________________606 _602 _566 __1774 __642 _636 _530 __1808 __ 3582 __ 578 _406 _706 __1690 ____ 5272 Rhino16 (7/11) ______________490 _510 _502 __ 1502 __546 _526 _292 __1364 __ 2866 __ 395 _302 _504 __1201 ____ 4067 (6391) so_whats_happening (7/11)_437 _395 _448 __ 1280 __498 _424 _411 __1333 __ 2613 __ 375 _406 _527 __ 1308 ____ 3921 (6155) Stormchaser Chuck (4/11)__251 _272 _268 ___791 __ 341 _ 174 _ 224 __ 739 __ 1530 __284 _300 _334 ___918 ____ 2448 (6688) Terpeast (1/11) _____________ 62 _ 44 _ 34 ____ 140 ___84 _ 86 _ 26 ____ 196 ___ 336 __ 10 __ 76 __ 60 ___ 146 ____ 482 (4438) rainsucks (1/11) ____________ 42 __32 _ 36 ____ 110 ___ 00 _ 66 _ 48 ____ 114 ___ 224 __ 50 __ 98 __ 84 ___ 232 ____ 456 (4204) - - - - - ___ Persistence ____________549 _450 _512 __1511 __688 _689 _642 __2019 ___3530 __ 420 _593 _612 __1625 ____5155 _______________________________________________________ Best Forecasts * shared with one other forecaster for one month (does not apply to Consensus or Normal, if they qualify, so does the high forecaster score whether tied or not) ^ shared with two other forecasters for one month (if applied to Normal, tied two forecast contest entrants) FORECASTER ____________ DCA_NYC_BOS__east__ORD_ATL_IAH__cent_ c/e__ DEN_PHX_SEA__west __ Months DonSutherland1 ___________ 0 ____ 0 ____ 1 ___ 0 ____3*___ 1* ___ 0____4 ___ 1 ___ 3*___ 4^___2*___ 1 ____3 _ Jan,Mar,Aug wxallannj __________________ 0 ____ 0 ____ 1 ___ 1 ____3***__2*____1 ___ 1 ___ 2*___ 1 ___ 2*___ 0 ___ 2*____3* _ May(t),July, Nov hudsonvalley21 ____________2*____ 2*____ 1 ___ 1*____ 0^____1 ____1* ___0 ___ 0 ___0 ___ 0 ___ 0 ___ 1 ____1* _ May(t) ___ Consensus ____________ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 ___ 0 ____ 1 ____0 ____ 0 ___ 0 ___ 1 ___ 0 ___ 1 ___ 1 ___ 0 ____ 1 __ May RJay ______________________ 1 ____ 3 ____ 1 ____2 ____ 1*___3**___4 ___ 2 ___ 2*___ 0___ 4**^__ 1___ 1*____0 wxdude64 _________________1^____ 2 ____ 0 ___ 0 ____ 1*____ 1 ____1 ___ 1 ___ 1 ___ 1 ___ 0 ___ 0 ___ 1 ____ 1 _ Apr RodneyS __________________2*____ 1 ____ 2*___ 2 ____ 2*____ 1 ____0 ___ 0 ___ 2 ___3*___2 ___ 2* ___3 ___ 2 _ Jun,Sep Scotty Lightning ___________1 ____ 1 _____ 1 ____1 ____ 0 ____0 ____0 ___ 0 ___ 1 ___ 0 ___ 1* ___1 ___ 0 ____ 0 Tom (10/11) ________________3*^___0 ____ 0 ___ 0 ____ 0 ____0 ____2*___ 0 ___ 0 ___ 2 ___ 0 ___ 0 ___ 0 ____0 Roger Smith _______________ 0 ____ 2*___ 2* ___ 2*____2**___ 1 ____1 ___ 0 ___ 0 ___ 0 ___ 1*___ 2 ___ 1 ____ 1 _ Oct BKViking (10/11) ___________ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 ___ 0 ____ 1*____ 0 ____0 ___1 ___ 0 ___ 0 ___ 2*^___2 ___1 ____ 0 ___ Normal _________________1^ ____ 3 ____ 0 ___ 0 ____ 0 ____0 ____ 1 ___ 0 ___ 0 ___ 1 ___ 0 ___ 1 ___ 0 ___ 0 Rhino16 (7/11) _____________2^____ 0 ____ 1*___ 2 ____ 1 ____ 2 ____ 0 ___ 2 ___ 1 ___ 1 ___ 0 ___ 1 ___ 0 ____ 1 __ Nov so_whats_happening (7/11) _0 ____ 0____ 2*___ 0 ____ 0 ____0____ 0 ___ 0 ___ 1 ___ 0 ___ 0 ___ 0 ___ 0 ____0^ (Oct) Stormchaser Chuck (4/11)__2 ____ 1 ____ 1 ___ 1 ____ 2 ____ 1* ____1 ___ 0 ___ 0 ___ 1 ___ 0 ___ 1 ___ 1 ____ 1 _ Feb Terpeast (1/11) ____________ 1*____ 0 ____ 0 ___ 0 ____ 0 ____0 ____ 0 ___ 0 ___ 0 ___ 0 ___ 0 ___ 0 ___0 ____0 rainsucks (1/11) ___________ 0 ____ 0 ____ 0 ___ 0 ____ 0 ____0 ____ 0 ___ 0 ___ 0 ___ 0 ___ 1*___ 0 ___ 0 ____0 (hudsonvalley21 has a tied top score for ORD (Mar) before 1 pt reduced by penalty). Shown as 0^ (so_whats_happening has a top score for October, before 1% penalty transferred it to Roger Smith. Shown as 0^ ----------------------------------------- EXTREME FORECAST SUMMARY So far, 77 of 99 forecasts qualify, 44 of them for warmest, and 33 for coldest ... Jan 6-2, Feb 5-3, Mar 6-3, Apr 5-3, May 3-2, June 1-8, July 4-2, Aug 4-3, Sep 1-3, Oct 5-1, Nov 4-3 ... 19 of 77 involve a loss where a second ranked forecast has high score. Two of those are a shared loss. FORECASTER _______ Jan _ Feb _ Mar _Apr _May _ Jun _Jul _Aug _Sep _Oct _Nov ____ TOTALS _ (adjusted for ties) RJay _________________ 5-0 _ 2-1 _ 2-0 _ 1*-0_ 0-0 _ 1-0 _4-0 _2*-0 _1-0 _0-0 _0-0 ____ 18-1 ______16.0 - 1.0 DonSutherland ______ 2-0 _ 1-0 _ 3*-1 _ 1-0 _ 0-0 _ 1-0 _ 0-0 _ 0-0 _0-0 _1-0 _2-0 ____ 11-1 ______10.5 - 1.0 RodneyS _____________1-0 _ 1-0 _ 1-0 _ 1-0 __ 1-0 _ 4*-1 _0-1 _ 1*-1 _0-0 _0-0 _0-0 ____ 10-3 ______ 9.0 - 2 Roger Smith _________ 1-0 _ 0-0 _ 0-0 _ 1*-0 _ 1-1*_ 0-0 _1*-0 _2*-0_0-0 _2**0_2-0 ____10-1 ______ 7.5 - 0.5 StormchaserChuck __ -- --_ 5-1 _ -- --_ 2-2 _ 2-0 _ --- _ --- _ --- _ 0-1 _ --- __--- _____ 9-4 ______ 8.5 - 4.0 Rhino16 _____________ -- --_-- --_-- --_ -- -- _-- - _ ---- _ --- _ 2*^-0_3-0 _ ---_2*-0 ____7-0 _____ 5.33 - 0 wxallannj ____________ 0-0 _ 0-0 _ 0-0 _ 1*-1* 0-1* _ 2*-0_1-0 _ 0-1 _ 0-0 _ 2-0_ 1*-0____7-3 ______5.5 - 2.0 wxdude64 ___________1-0 _ 0-0 _ 0-0 _ 0-0 _ 0-0 _ 0-0 _ 1*-1 _2^-1 _0-2 _ 0-0 _ 1-1 ____ 5-5 _____ 3.83 - 5.0 hudsonvalley21 ______ 0-0 _ 0-0 _ 1*-0 _1-0 _ 1*-0 _ 0-0 _0-0 _ 0-0 _ 0-0 _2*-0_0-0 ____5-0 ______3.5 - 0.0 ___ Normal ___________ 0-0 _ 0-0 _ 0-1 _ 1-0 _ 0-0 _ 3-0 _0-0 _ 0-0 _ 1*-1* _0-1 _0-0 ___ 5-3 _____ 4.5 - 2.5 Scotty Lightning _____ 0-0 _ 0-0 _ 3-1 _ 0-1* _ 0-0 _ 1-0 _0-0 _ 0-0 _0-0 _ 0-0 _0-0 ____ 4-2 _____ 4.0 - 1.5 Tom __________________0-0 _ 0-0 _ 0-0 _ 1-0 _ 1*-0_ 0-0 _ 0-0 _1^-0_ 0-0 _ 0-0 _0-0 ____ 3-0 _____ 1.83 - 0 BKViking _____________ 0-0 _ 0-0 _ 0-0 _0-0 _ 0-0 _ 1*-0 _ 0-0 _ 1-0 _ 0-0 _--- _ 0-0 ____ 2-0 _____ 1.5 - 0 rainsucks _____________ -- --_-- --_-- --_1*-0 _ -- - _ ---- _ --- _ --- _ --- __ ---- _---- ___ 1-0 ______0.5 - 0 Terpeast _____________ -- --_-- --_-- --_ -- --_ -- - _ 1*-0 _ --- _ --- _ --- _ ---- _ ---- ___ 1-0 ______ 0.5 - 0 so_whats_happening _0-0 _0-1 _ -- --_-- -- _ -- - _ 0-0 __ --- _ 0-0 _ 0-0 _ 1*-0 _0-0 ___ 1-1 ______ 0.5 - 1 ===========================================