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Hey Spock, lighten up! It's only weather. Lol I'm still waiting for a definitive forecast whether the Canadian ridge will or won't be as strong as 23/24.

It's been a very quiet month up this way... all the action happening in the southern sub. Cool this morning w/46 @ my place. Chilly spot is the Yellow Dog @ 38.

Your impulse seems to be focusing more on the patterns that you would like to see rather than the patterns that we have been getting.

And there you have it. It's an irresistible impulse. Lol

Newark is lagging behind in the 90° day count for NJ due to the more frequent breezes off bay this summer. The excessive tree growth in NYC has artificially put them behind places like Baiting Hollow on Eastern Long Island and POU to the north. In the old days before the ASOS move to under the trees in 1995, NYC would always have more 90° days than LGA and POU. Data for January 1, 2026 through August 13, 2026 Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. HARRISON COOP 34 ESTELL MANOR COOP 32 Atlantic City Area ThreadEx 28 ATLANTIC CITY INTL AP WBAN 28 NEW BRUNSWICK 3 SE COOP 28 New Brunswick Area ThreadEx 28 TETERBORO AIRPORT COOP 28 TETERBORO AIRPORT WBAN 28 Newark Area ThreadEx 26 NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 26 PHILADELPHIA/MT. HOLLY WFO COOP 25 MCGUIRE AFB WBAN 25 Data for January 1, 2026 through August 13, 2026 Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. LAGUARDIA AIRPORT WBAN 20 New York-LGA Area ThreadEx 20 PORT AUTH DOWNTN MANHATTAN WALL ST HEL ICAO 19 POUGHKEEPSIE/HUDSON VALLEY REGIONAL AIRPORT WBAN 16 BAITING HOLLOW COOP 16 Poughkeepsie Area ThreadEx 16 STEWART FIELD WBAN 14 SHRUB OAK COOP 13 NY CITY CENTRAL PARK WBAN 12 Data for January 1, 1991 through August 13, 1991 Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. GLENHAM COOP 32 NY CITY CENTRAL PARK WBAN 31 New York-Central Park Area ThreadEx 31 NY WESTERLEIGH STAT IS COOP 30 LAGUARDIA AIRPORT WBAN 25

I don't really have any reason to doubt it based on the radar signatures.

The pattern is producing much stronger 500 mb ridges across the CONUS and the rest of the mid-latitudes this summer than we ever had for such a strong El Niño. This is why the CONUS just had the warmest July average temperature on record instead of the cooler very strong El Niño summer pattern. We’ll have to wait and see if this is an early signal El Niño 500 mb ridge axis will press further to the south and or east than usual during the winter.

You must be anticipating a lot of winter weather coming up this season. Maybe this winter like the last few will be mostly a dud. But I do see where your coming from, concerned for the safety for your wife.

Was that 80mph gust in Cape legit? The damage there was impressive Sent from my SM-S921U using Tapatalk

The only way to estimate the magnitude of station breaks is from raw temperature data, by comparing stable and changed stations. As documented in this thread, my tests using raw temperature data in Chester County agree very well with the NCEI bias adjustments. Not surprising because the bias adjustments are calculated from the raw data. My experience in Chester County has convinced me that the NCEI method is bullet proof. Below is raw temperature info on the Phoenixville 1948 move. NCDC has monthly means for Phoenixville for Janaury through July 1948, partial data from August through November but no monthly mean until December 1948. Phoenixville cooled relative to Coatesville and West Chester when the monthly mean started again in December 1948. Phoenixville cooled 1.6F relative to Coatesville, and 2F relative to West Chester, due to the move. The stats using the monthly data are highly significant for both Coatesville and West Chester.

I read an article recently that implied that they initially establish heavily in an area for a couple of years and then begin to die off.

Wow 5 degrees in NYC? Holy hell! The day after tomorrow is real!

El Nino summers tend to be pretty hot down here in the deep southwest. I am near Austin. It's been pretty hot, highs generally about 100 degrees, lows generally about 77-84 with dews staying about 66-73. Hopefully this autumn/winter then spring 2027 we will see some majorly beneficial rains. But a lot of that is probably gonnabe smacking down places like Georgia/Alabama, the deep south states and the general Southeast getting ridiculous amounts of rain. Also the Carolinas, Virginia, DC and Kentucky, Tennessee. Those places are going to be just piling on massive epic rain tallies because every system that hits the CONUS is gonna smash into them and the STJ is going to be SO roided up. The pac jet is going to be pure fire, bigger and far more epic than a Playboi Carti concert.

All this chat for 1 out of 3,144 counties btw

Mike, I'll take your four questions in order Q1 - yes. Raw records could potentially carry non-climatic biases that don't cancel but not always! Q3 - yes. Williams 2012, Venema 2012 and Killick 2022 are real, adversarial, and they show homogenisation reduces error if a station has proven data issues, I accept that and I'm not going to pretend the literature says otherwise. Q2 - one correction. You say breakpoint detection is "even unstable run-to-run (shown in this thread's own evidence)." It wasn't shown. I went looking for it: two pulls of the West Chester QCF taken a few years apart were identical across all 119 complete years, unadjusted series identical too. NCEI told me the output can change daily; I tested it and found none over that interval. That concession isn't mine to accept. Q4 is where we really differ, and it's about scope. My claim is narrower: the specific magnitudes applied to specific Chester County stations haven't been independently verified, and showing an event occurred doesn't verify the size of the correction attached to it. The benchmarks measure whether homogenisation moves a NETWORK closer to truth on average - the right quantity for a national series, and a different question from whether one station in one decade got the right number. Venema's own write-up notes it modelled small European networks at high station density without network-wide trend biases; Williams found improvement in the presence of widespread systematic errors. Both are aggregate statements under stated conditions. The conditions matter here. Before 1951 this county has three continuous stations. Menne and Williams say it themselves in the 2009 paper: false alarms at neighbouring stations reduce the number of homogeneous neighbours and thereby prevent the estimation of adjustments. That's the sparse-network failure mode described by the algorithm's own authors, in the era carrying the largest adjustments. On cherry-picking - you introduced Coatesville as the exemplar and called it two resounding yeses. If it's representative enough to validate, it's representative enough to examine. You asked for a case. Here's the beginning of one, and it's a magnitude test rather than an occurrence test. So I built a regional reference for Coatesville from the raw, unadjusted Chester County records only - leaving Coatesville 1SW out so that it never contributes to its own comparator, and no homogenised product anywhere in the calculation. Measured drift of Coatesville against those raw neighbours over 1895-1982 is -0.190 F/decade using every available station, or -0.113 F/decade using a fixed panel that can't change membership. The applied NCEI adjustment runs +0.303 F/decade, which implies a drift of -0.303. That value falls outside the 95% confidence interval of the measured drift under both reference constructions. The adjustment also tracks the drift year to year - r = -0.74 - so it's aimed at something real. It's the size I'm questioning, not the existence. What this is so far in all of my multiple years of review which has been my analytic goal of this process of reviewing the adjustment of raw data at one targeted station Coatesville 1SW is that the correction appears larger than the divergence it corrects, measured without using any homogenised data. If that's wrong I'd like to know how?? Paul

0Z UKMET: ends up N of PR as a TD moving WNW:NEW TROPICAL CYCLONE FORECAST TO DEVELOP AFTER 108 HOURSFORECAST POSITION AT T+108 : 17.1N 56.8WLEAD CENTRAL MAXIMUM WINDVERIFYING TIME TIME POSITION PRESSURE (MB) SPEED (KNOTS)-------------- ---- -------- ------------- -------------1200UTC 18.08.2026 108 17.1N 56.8W 1013 240000UTC 19.08.2026 120 18.4N 58.3W 1014 251200UTC 19.08.2026 132 19.2N 60.4W 1014 260000UTC 20.08.2026 144 20.0N 62.1W 1015 271200UTC 20.08.2026 156 20.6N 64.3W 1015 280000UTC 21.08.2026 168 21.4N 67.0W 1014 28

For an el nino summer, we've sure been cooking in the south lately, and it looks like a week or more of 100+ temps coming. Very unusual for el nino from my understanding...but I still think once we get more into fall the STJ will increase with angular momentum working north.