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the PV closer to us has been perturbed already. seems like this should couple pretty well

even mesos are a mess for us, yes but I am looking at more of the region as a whole (including just to our south. I would have to think any north guidance with the heavier axis is wrong but we do get some increasing diffluence aloft late with PVA so we may see showers blossom (just not heavy rain...maybe coast gets heavier rain).

Only the GFS has soaking rain. It’s not hard at all. A shower or very light rain and call it a wrap

Yeah. Night and day on the GFS and Euro.

I actually don’t think that’s coming this year . I think it holds off until January when winter more or less ends . Like mid or maybe latter Jan.

I knew someone would kick into the verse

Could it a cold , dry 1989 type Dec.. could it snow a bit? There’s something happening here.. what it is Wolf ain't exactly clear .

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What an absolutely colossal joke guidance is with tomorrow night. Who event wants to forecast precipitation events 4-5 days out? It's been absolutely terrible. I can only wonder how many storms we'll see on guidance 4-5 days out and the snow maps of 8...10...12+ inches start flying out only for significant reductions inside of 48 hours. Or who knows...maybe we'll get some in the other direction where it looks like crap and then we're forecasting 6-10" all of a sudden

Clippers have to be an endangered species at this point, but it's been that way for a while. I remember them being quite common in the 90s through mid-2000s.

Thanks, Don. One thing helping 2025 vs 1983 is that 1983 didn’t have a weak SPV as it didn’t get <15 m/s through Nov and Dec:

28° Moderate Frost

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There was alot of ice in my freezer this morning too, more than usual. that's because I turned on the ice maker

And you know, I really didn't look closely at the 0z Euro...but it was close to a decent storm on the 29th. It had almost a foot and a half in the Apps. After the Euro nailed this last system, it might carry a bit more weight if it shows the same thing again at 12z. Edit: I must not have looked at overnight model runs carefully enough...the 0z GFS had that as well Model has been empty of systems around Thanksgiving or loaded up. With that strong of a cold front(will it be strong?), one would think a system will be present somewhere in the eastern half of the country.

I think NYC will eventually see another 4” day. Not sure when though. But the more impressive streak for NYC had been no March 10” daily snows since 1993. It’s possible that the climate has warmed too much for that record to be reached again. 1993-03-13 40 28 34.0 -7.8 31 0 2.37 10.2

Where do I sign up for the Black Friday snowstorm?

Yep. 1st skim ice on the pond i drive by in my town each day. 20F for my low

In watching the 12z GFS and ICON rollin in for next Thursday into Friday, I can't help but think there is room for snow in that setup. The ICON has another, albeit weaker, NW flow event modeled. The GFS is close to something for west TN. That front is much strong at 12z than it was at 6z.

Who uses an umbrella when its windy?

Gonna make Ray’s holiday thaw that much more painful

I mean ultimately though, nobody cares about skim ice on a local pond. If it doesn’t snow, nobody is going to care what else is going on. Lets actually get some measurable snow before we start talking about how great things will be. Weve done a lot “things look promising” the last half decade and have come away usually with nothing to show. Need results

Yes, and even last year, 4"+ storm before Xmas for some nearby the city and same on Jan 19th.

But yes, the coldest we've had in northeast Queens thus far is 33 degrees last week, around 6-7 am one of those days, I believe it was Veterans Day. Used to regularly have the first freeze by mid november, but most of the 2020s, it's been pushed back to December. First frost used to be late October, now it's been pushed back a few weeks as well.

For the record, we had lightning and thunder two nights ago(I think) as it pass along the VA/TN border.