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It's these sweeping declarations of ideological talking points in complete ignorance of the painstaking data processes, paleoclimatological advancements, and plentiful data sourcing that goes into these datasets that make it hard for me to believe that these are good-faith arguements backed by substantiated evidence. The data for the Keeling Curve is well documented. The methodologies behind datasets demonstrating trends in temperature and CO2 on the scale of hundreds of thousands of years are the direct result of the leaps and bounds paleoclimate research has experienced in recent decades. All of this is well documented, verified through basic atmospheric chemistry, and published through rigorous peer review. But why dig into something that could potentially be in the opposite of my world view when I can simply say "nuh-uh", "skewed" (whatever that means), or "rigged".

Got down to 27.

Currently 41.6° with thin overcast here. 4” soil temp is 42°. 8” temp is 44°

I’m good Brian…you guys have your ideas. That’s fine. I have mine. I don’t bring it up. I’m here to talk about current weather.

One thing is for sure, this La Niña is and has been exactly mimicking a classic canonical La Niña pattern to a tee. I see absolutely no reason to think it’s going to deviate at all from such in the coming months

Keep stirring…

And if anyone thinks I’m being a dick to Wolfy this is only 10% dick and 90% busting his balls. Although I do expect one more hurtful reply coming my way.

thought today might be our last 60+ of 2025 but models selling temps at or above 60 in the extended

It was a swing a miss from OKX with Nassau IMO. We have a North & South zones for a reason. Clearly North zones had frost and freeze dependent on location, especially further E in the N zone.

My backyard was at 30 as per the ambient station

Maybe the actual freezing point is skewed?

So many details.

Gotta define it somewhere. Water freezes at 32° so that seems like an appropriate spot.

The CO2 data has been measured with instrumentation since 1950 but okay. Contact an admin. Oh wait.

I kind of agree but officially I guess 32.0 does it?

Lol..ya, consistently wrong.

The data is skewed..period. But Please take to proper thread…Mr. stir the pot.

still waiting for my first frost. the lantana is going strong

Almost time to wake up the thundering herd. Winter lurks in Ohio and it's neighbors....

I was just about to comment on Mark MoreGarbage's post on this ( Yes, I filed him a long time ago before I realized what a goon he was, but never unfollowed him because I get a kick out of his posts ). I asked him whenever has a CFS been a model that we would use, especially for something within about 4 days. This was his response "Well, now you have seen someone use it. I value consistency. In a world where all models are wrong, I pay attention to the ones that give a consistent message." Hey, if this happens I will eat Crow.

Please provide your alternative data, Mr. man of science.

You guys bring the shit up all the time. Take it to the proper thread. And the data isn’t exactly iron clad either..that’s a problem in and of itself. but yes..let’s get back to current weather.

coldest night here so far this fall--a low of 26 and heavy frost.

Almost never see FRG colder than ISP on winter nights.

Miss south, suppression to start the season. Our time will come.