1/24-1/25 Major Winter Storm - S. IL, IN, and OH

[Stevo6899]

18 hours ago, roardog said:

Everyone is moving south. Pretty soon they’ll be hardly any of us left. lol

Tired of the useless cold stretches like the one currently. Definitly grateful to be able to snowbird a few months every winter. The 10+ days up north, temps in the teens and zzzz. 

[Stevo6899]

22 hours ago, michsnowfreak said:

Its honestly unreal. Its one thing to want something. I want a million dollars, I want to lose weight, etc. But its another to have an expectation that's totally against to your climate. Its almost beyond comprehension to me that a "big dog" is a winter event, and some would supposedly be fine going years without winter knowing that one year soon theyre bound to get that big dog. We dont/can't that in Michigan. We need winter annually. Its like telling your boss, no thank you i don't want my biweekly paycheck. Ill just wait til next year when we get the big profit sharing bonus. 

Not expecting anything. Its okay to have dreams and not jerkoff at every 4 inch event. I see you still got your snow shoveling and pile creation skillz.

[michsnowfreak]

21 minutes ago, Stevo6899 said:

The point is it can happen, it's happened all around us. Just would like to witness one. Until then all these 6 inch events are just zzzz.

You dont even live here in winter. You essentially hate winter. This storm was a great storm for the central ohio crew but it was short of 20" so if it was here you'd be complaining. I know, because you had many critiques when Detroit had a 16.7" storm in 2015.

[michsnowfreak]

9 minutes ago, Stevo6899 said:

Not expecting anything. Its okay to have dreams and not jerkoff at every 4 inch event. I see you still got your snow shoveling and pile creation skillz.

Its also ok to live in a state known for winter and to enjoy winter without being lectured from someone who does not reside in winter and does not like winter.

And as I get older I use the snowblower more and more. Love shoveling but only when its not too heavy. My piles are no more special than others anymore. 

[RCNYILWX]

Who's starting the LES thread? Looking solid again for a noteworthy event in IL-IN-probably SW MI (may include SE WI as well depending on boundary layer convergence orientation).

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[roardog]

23 minutes ago, Stevo6899 said:

Tired of the useless cold stretches like the one currently. Definitly grateful to be able to snowbird a few months every winter. The 10+ days up north, temps in the teens and zzzz. 

Since you’re just looking to experience a big dog, why not travel to where there is one instead of hoping one hits Detroit? 

[mimillman]

Just now, RCNYILWX said:

Who's starting the LES thread? Looking solid again for a noteworthy event in IL-IN-probably SW MI (may include SE WI as well depending on boundary layer convergence orientation).

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I’ve been commenting about it in the medium range thread until we get a bit closer 

[roardog]

9 minutes ago, michsnowfreak said:

Its also ok to live in a state known for winter and to enjoy winter without being lectured from someone who does not reside in winter and does not like winter.

And as I get older I use the snowblower more and more. Love shoveling but only when its not too heavy. My piles are no more special than others anymore. 

Yeah. I mean most posters here enjoy summer outside of thunderstorms, so why does is it surprise people that someone likes winter outside of big snowstorms. 

[michsnowfreak]

1 hour ago, roardog said:

Yeah. I mean most posters here enjoy summer outside of thunderstorms, so why does is it surprise people that someone likes winter outside of big snowstorms. 

Not to mention, we get plenty of big snowstorms. He is talking 20"+. Which any amount of data you can find will tell you that it is EXTREMELY rare in this region.

Dubuque, Moline, Cedar Rapids, Rockford, Fort Wayne, Indianapolis, Cincinnati, Dayton, LaCrosse, Bismark, Peoria, Springfield, St Louis, Madison - not a single 20" storm in their climate record. 

Detroit has 1, 1886
Flint has 1, 1967
Des Moines has 1, 1942
Chicago has 3, most recent 2011
Columbus has 1, 2008
Lansing has 1, 1967
Toledo has 1, 1900
Cleveland has 1, 1913
Kansas City has 1, 1912
Milwaukee has 1, 1974
Minneapolis  has 2, most recent 1991
St Cloud has 3, most recent 1965

[Stevo6899]

3 hours ago, michsnowfreak said:

You dont even live here in winter. You essentially hate winter. This storm was a great storm for the central ohio crew but it was short of 20" so if it was here you'd be complaining. I know, because you had many critiques when Detroit had a 16.7" storm in 2015.

False. I don't mind winter. I hate what y'all are about to go through weeks of tundra and flurries. Enjoy it. Its gonna be funny when a storm rolls along in a few weeks and you're battling precip issues, after weeks of below avg cold.

You will never see me complaining about a double digit snow. You will see me complain about a storm that just occurred. 20 hours to get 5 inches when it took others 5 hours. 

Also not lecturing, just stating big dogs happen often, all around us, regardless of your old repetitive climo explanation.

 

[Stevo6899]

3 hours ago, roardog said:

Since you’re just looking to experience a big dog, why not travel to where there is one instead of hoping one hits Detroit? 

I've experienced several as my job used to require me to travel. You think I'd be wasting my time arguing with the wall (josh) if all I wanted was to experience one in general? I want so much snow here it knocks out power in wyandotte and I can go a few days without Josh's turd polishing glass half full climo bs.

[Roger Smith]

So now I have all the clues ... YYZ snow depth increased 41 cm from their measured 46 cm fall. Toronto City snow depth increased 46 cm (13 to 59) from the unknown but anecdotally supported 61 cm. An exact 1:1 ratio with YYZ differentials assuming same depression of existing snow pack suggests 52 cm of snow fell downtown.

So it's 52 to 61 giving a liquid equivalent of 20.8 mm. Will think about it as to the exact number I will plug into my updated Toronto City stats but any way one cuts it, a new record 24h calendar day amount. Looks like 0.1" or 0.2 cm of snow to add on 26th for two day total of somewhere between 21 and 24 inches. I will probably go with the 61 cm since it seems like it may have been a tweet from somebody associated with the site, or, they measured very close to the site. 

Quite a notable record given the 183 years of snowfall data at the location, the higher end is also the highest 2-day total even without adding 0.1". 61 cm in exact conversion would be 61/2.54 = 24.0" .. 61.2 cm gets to 24.1" ... this is greater than the 23.0" from Dec 25-26, 1872 (another frigid east wind enhancement event apparently).

[Chinook]

I think my place got 6.5" after doing a bit more measuring and shoveling Monday. Today, a snow squall formed between me and Cleveland. That brought briefly very bad conditions over by Cleveland. The third image posted may not be representing the snowfall values between Columbus and Toledo the best. I think my brother and sister got 9". They're in different places.

 

 

 

[michsnowfreak]

5 hours ago, Stevo6899 said:

False. I don't mind winter. I hate what y'all are about to go through weeks of tundra and flurries. Enjoy it. Its gonna be funny when a storm rolls along in a few weeks and you're battling precip issues, after weeks of below avg cold.

You will never see me complaining about a double digit snow. You will see me complain about a storm that just occurred. 20 hours to get 5 inches when it took others 5 hours. 

Also not lecturing, just stating big dogs happen often, all around us, regardless of your old repetitive climo explanation.

 

 

5 hours ago, Stevo6899 said:

I've experienced several as my job used to require me to travel. You think I'd be wasting my time arguing with the wall (josh) if all I wanted was to experience one in general? I want so much snow here it knocks out power in wyandotte and I can go a few days without Josh's turd polishing glass half full climo bs.

Lmao you complained about double digit snowstorms all the time back in the 2000s/10s. You did in 2014, even with 2 feet on the ground because with all the storms we had no individual fall was over 12". The very next year, when Detroit got nearly 17" of snow on Feb 1/2, 2015 you found plenty of critique saying it was boring and took 24 hours to achieve (despite hours of visibility below 1/4 mile). Our last double digit storm (Feb 2021) you dont remember (even though you were in FL) so I guess it didnt happen. In fact you ghost this board all year except in winter when youre in FL so you can troll/repeat how no 20" storms are hitting SE MI.

Me posting how many 20"+ storms in every first order station in the entire non-lake belt midwest is not "bs", its actual weather data.

And how extremely lucky that you've experienced several! Your job just happened to place you in a town the exact day a 20" storm hit. That's lotto lucky.

As for the tundra. Theres deep snow in place and mountains of snow everywhere, so i dont mind it in the least. Perfect for winter rec.

[dmc76]

We did have 2 shots at 20” that come to mind. 1 was in April 2005. If it happened three weeks sooner, we would’ve had 20 to 30 inches of snow but of course it happened on the last week of April that year still had 16 inches but it only collected at night. The other. The other was a perfect set up. It happened in February 2013. We had almost 2 inches of QPF temperatures around 30 to 32° for most of the event ratios were between three and four to one. Ended up with 5-6” of the wettest snow ever. 

[RogueWaves]

On 1/26/2026 at 8:56 AM, dmc76 said:

It’s not just a Detroit thing I mean, you don’t even hear about Grand Rapids (of course they get the 1-2 punch) or Lansing or Saginaw anybody getting 20 inches of snow out of a snowstorm in Michigan it’s just not a thing here. I just know or few spots.  PHN got 21 inches during the Dec 2000 storm. 

Sorry, but where's PHN again?? I know Jackson scored an even 20" in that Dec '00 bliz.

I really come to AmWx for the entertainment value! @Stevo6899 shouldn't be faulted for wanting to see a 20+ Big Dog, but to look in the corner of Michigan least likely to get one is the odd part. Much of the balance of The Mitt has had several, but its usually not widespread, just a localized area. 30+ even more so falls into that camp. 

I was there for '67 with 23" and drifts to roof tops. Only problem was my age (two yrs) so can't remember a single flake, lol. Been fortunate to see (4) 18" Big Dogs at my addresses but I'm also still hoping for that unicorn 20+ hit for mby. Kzoo hit 20" in GHD-2, SWMI scored 20+ in the PV Bliz of '14 and Jan '99 Bliz. I don't think GHD-1 delivered 20" for anyone in Michigan tbh. We (Michiganders) need another golden era like '65-'85. The era of Big Dogs.

[michsnowfreak]

1 hour ago, RogueWaves said:

Sorry, but where's PHN again?? I know Jackson scored an even 20" in that Dec '00 bliz.

I really come to AmWx for the entertainment value! @Stevo6899 shouldn't be faulted for wanting to see a 20+ Big Dog, but to look in the corner of Michigan least likely to get one is the odd part. Much of the balance of The Mitt has had several, but its usually not widespread, just a localized area. 30+ even more so falls into that camp. 

I was there for '67 with 23" and drifts to roof tops. Only problem was my age (two yrs) so can't remember a single flake, lol. Been fortunate to see (4) 18" Big Dogs at my addresses but I'm also still hoping for that unicorn 20+ hit for mby. Kzoo hit 20" in GHD-2, SWMI scored 20+ in the PV Bliz of '14 and Jan '99 Bliz. I don't think GHD-1 delivered 20" for anyone in Michigan tbh. We (Michiganders) need another golden era like '65-'85. The era of Big Dogs.

PHN is Port Huron. Which is in SE MI, northeast of Detroit. 

He is not faulted for wanting a 20" storm. He is faulted for his repeated schtick of coming to the board during winter only, a time he does not reside in MI, mostly to stir his repetitious pot that everyone gets 20" storms but here, say weather/climate stats proving that wrong are bs, etc. Me, someone who loves snow and lives in a place where it snows all the time but said snow doesn't come 20" in 1 day, being his main target. 

And really, the era of '65-'85 did have one massive storm here (Dec 1, 1974, 19.3") but the era of 1999-2015 had far more double digit storms in SE MI than 1965-85.

[michsnowfreak]

2 hours ago, dmc76 said:

We did have 2 shots at 20” that come to mind. 1 was in April 2005. If it happened three weeks sooner, we would’ve had 20 to 30 inches of snow but of course it happened on the last week of April that year still had 16 inches but it only collected at night. The other. The other was a perfect set up. It happened in February 2013. We had almost 2 inches of QPF temperatures around 30 to 32° for most of the event ratios were between three and four to one. Ended up with 5-6” of the wettest snow ever. 

Feb 1, 2015 essentially felt like a 20" storm at DTW. 3" on the ground to start, then nearly 17" more in 24 hrs.

[Stevo6899]

10 hours ago, michsnowfreak said:

 

Lmao you complained about double digit snowstorms all the time back in the 2000s/10s. You did in 2014, even with 2 feet on the ground because with all the storms we had no individual fall was over 12". The very next year, when Detroit got nearly 17" of snow on Feb 1/2, 2015 you found plenty of critique saying it was boring and took 24 hours to achieve (despite hours of visibility below 1/4 mile). Our last double digit storm (Feb 2021) you dont remember (even though you were in FL) so I guess it didnt happen. In fact you ghost this board all year except in winter when youre in FL so you can troll/repeat how no 20" storms are hitting SE MI.

Me posting how many 20"+ storms in every first order station in the entire non-lake belt midwest is not "bs", its actual weather data.

And how extremely lucky that you've experienced several! Your job just happened to place you in a town the exact day a 20" storm hit. That's lotto lucky.

As for the tundra. Theres deep snow in place and mountains of snow everywhere, so i dont mind it in the least. Perfect for winter rec.

Lol this made me laugh. So inaccurate. 2014 was wild but yea no big dog. Same with the 30+ hr storm in 15 as that wasn't one either. Im not on here in the summer cause severe weather doesn't get me excited and our area is usually zzz in that category which I'm okay with. I like my house and dont want it destroyed. Before covid, I used to travel to the east coast every week for work so yea if a noreaster was coming I would stick around for it. Enjoy the useless cold, I'd imagine your snow piles are gonna stick around until may this year.

[Stevo6899]

10 hours ago, RogueWaves said:

Sorry, but where's PHN again?? I know Jackson scored an even 20" in that Dec '00 bliz.

I really come to AmWx for the entertainment value! @Stevo6899 shouldn't be faulted for wanting to see a 20+ Big Dog, but to look in the corner of Michigan least likely to get one is the odd part. Much of the balance of The Mitt has had several, but its usually not widespread, just a localized area. 30+ even more so falls into that camp. 

I was there for '67 with 23" and drifts to roof tops. Only problem was my age (two yrs) so can't remember a single flake, lol. Been fortunate to see (4) 18" Big Dogs at my addresses but I'm also still hoping for that unicorn 20+ hit for mby. Kzoo hit 20" in GHD-2, SWMI scored 20+ in the PV Bliz of '14 and Jan '99 Bliz. I don't think GHD-1 delivered 20" for anyone in Michigan tbh. We (Michiganders) need another golden era like '65-'85. The era of Big Dogs.

Ghd was our moment but the chicago crew pulled it nw last minute. Ill have nightmares of hearing pingers from that one for years.

[michsnowfreak]

1 hour ago, Stevo6899 said:

Lol this made me laugh. So inaccurate. 2014 was wild but yea no big dog. Same with the 30+ hr storm in 15 as that wasn't one either. Im not on here in the summer cause severe weather doesn't get me excited and our area is usually zzz in that category which I'm okay with. I like my house and dont want it destroyed. Before covid, I used to travel to the east coast every week for work so yea if a noreaster was coming I would stick around for it. Enjoy the useless cold, I'd imagine your snow piles are gonna stick around until may this year.

 

1 hour ago, Stevo6899 said:

Ghd was our moment but the chicago crew pulled it nw last minute. Ill have nightmares of hearing pingers from that one for years.

The irony, youre right back to knocking double digit storms & exaggeration bs.  2013-14 was a months-long big dog. DTW had two 10"-11" snowstorms in 1 week (Dec 31/Jan 1 & Jan 5/6) and had double digit snow depth for months. The Jan 5/6 storm had 12-18" in a band NW of Detroit. A 2 foot snowpack with 4-5' drifts during Feb was the peak of that insane winter. And no, Feb 1/2, 2015 DID NOT take 30+ hours to get to 17". A huge majority of it fell between 11am-8pm Feb 1st. If that is not a big dog, I dont EVER want to hear reference to another area getting a snowstorm of 17" or less as being a big dog. And lastly, no, GHDII was our moment. GHD1, ahhh yes the early days of the laughable kuchera maps. Storm was a bust but not crazy. NWS Forecast was 10-15" and the area saw 8-12" (now THAT one took like 30 hours). Kuchi maps of course were higher. 

[dmc76]

1 hour ago, michsnowfreak said:

 

The irony, youre right back to knocking double digit storms & exaggeration bs.  2013-14 was a months-long big dog. DTW had two 10"-11" snowstorms in 1 week (Dec 31/Jan 1 & Jan 5/6) and had double digit snow depth for months. The Jan 5/6 storm had 12-18" in a band NW of Detroit. A 2 foot snowpack with 4-5' drifts during Feb was the peak of that insane winter. And no, Feb 1/2, 2015 DID NOT take 30+ hours to get to 17". A huge majority of it fell between 11am-8pm Feb 1st. If that is not a big dog, I dont EVER want to hear reference to another area getting a snowstorm of 17" or less as being a big dog. And lastly, no, GHDII was our moment. GHD1, ahhh yes the early days of the laughable kuchera maps. Storm was a bust but not crazy. NWS Forecast was 10-15" and the area saw 8-12" (now THAT one took like 30 hours). Kuchi maps of course were higher. 

Even if we didn’t get a 6 hour dry slot or pingers whatever it was. We would’ve still ended up with 10-16” area wide. We don’t have a second moisture source.

[dmc76]

3 hours ago, Stevo6899 said:

Lol this made me laugh. So inaccurate. 2014 was wild but yea no big dog. Same with the 30+ hr storm in 15 as that wasn't one either. Im not on here in the summer cause severe weather doesn't get me excited and our area is usually zzz in that category which I'm okay with. I like my house and dont want it destroyed. Before covid, I used to travel to the east coast every week for work so yea if a noreaster was coming I would stick around for it. Enjoy the useless cold, I'd imagine your snow piles are gonna stick around until may this year.

Jan 4-6th. 16.8” with that system. Do you want to take away the squalls that we had early morning on the sixth? Then It was 15.3 inches. That’s a big dog. Locally 

[Powerball]

3 hours ago, Stevo6899 said:

Ghd was our moment but the chicago crew pulled it nw last minute. Ill have nightmares of hearing pingers from that one for years.

I personally don't remember much in the way of pingers with GHD 1. Dry slotting hurt us a lot more than any mixing.

Now with 12/31/2007, mixing was absolutely a problem.

And in all fairness, there were the positive busts we never talk about, such as Feb 5-6, 2008. 4-8" with TSSN+ in the vicinity that fell in a span of 2 hours (after spending much of the day with a light icy mix).

[dmc76]

4 minutes ago, Powerball said:

I personally don't remember much in the way of pingers with GHD 1. Dry slotting hurt us a lot more than any mixing.

Now with 12/31/2007, mixing was absolutely a problem.

And in all fairness, there were the positive busts we never talk about, such as Feb 5-6, 2008. 4-8" with TSSN+ in the vicinity that fell in a span of 2 hours (after spending much of the day with a light icy mix).

That was a storm. I was trying to remember the other day in Lake Orion. We ended up with around 11 inches of snow. But just to my north towards Frankenmuth they had 19 inches from that system cause that was the other location that I remember that was close to 20 inches for a storm.

[Stevo6899]

2 hours ago, michsnowfreak said:

 

The irony, youre right back to knocking double digit storms & exaggeration bs.  2013-14 was a months-long big dog. DTW had two 10"-11" snowstorms in 1 week (Dec 31/Jan 1 & Jan 5/6) and had double digit snow depth for months. The Jan 5/6 storm had 12-18" in a band NW of Detroit. A 2 foot snowpack with 4-5' drifts during Feb was the peak of that insane winter. And no, Feb 1/2, 2015 DID NOT take 30+ hours to get to 17". A huge majority of it fell between 11am-8pm Feb 1st. If that is not a big dog, I dont EVER want to hear reference to another area getting a snowstorm of 17" or less as being a big dog. And lastly, no, GHDII was our moment. GHD1, ahhh yes the early days of the laughable kuchera maps. Storm was a bust but not crazy. NWS Forecast was 10-15" and the area saw 8-12" (now THAT one took like 30 hours). Kuchi maps of course were higher. 

Those old school maps had us in dark red, 2 feet plus for like 2 days and if had not gone nw last min, I think we would've been close to 20-24. I think one year soon we're gonna get a big dog the same night the lions win the sb in buffalo when they host it in their new stadium. What a night it will be.

[dmc76]

16 minutes ago, Stevo6899 said:

Those old school maps had us in dark red, 2 feet plus for like 2 days and if had not gone nw last min, I think we would've been close to 20-24. I think one year soon we're gonna get a big dog the same night the lions win the sb in buffalo when they host it in their new stadium. What a night it will be.

i’m pretty sure the day before it started it was showing actually 12 to 18 inches before the trends NW 

 

 TWC forecast was 9 to 15 inches 

[michsnowfreak]

1 hour ago, Stevo6899 said:

Those old school maps had us in dark red, 2 feet plus for like 2 days and if had not gone nw last min, I think we would've been close to 20-24. I think one year soon we're gonna get a big dog the same night the lions win the sb in buffalo when they host it in their new stadium. What a night it will be.

I usually dont remember forecasted amounts from that long ago, just if something was a big bust either way. There were actually 2 positive busts right on the heels of GHDI. Feb 5 we got 4-6" when forecast 0, and Feb 20 we got 10-11" when forecast 1-3.

Considering the fact that GHD/superbowl snowstorms have been shockingly frequent since 2011 and the Lions have risen from the dead, its a possibility. 

[Stevo6899]

1 hour ago, dmc76 said:

i’m pretty sure the day before it started it was showing actually 12 to 18 inches before the trends NW 

 

 TWC forecast was 9 to 15 inches 

Who cares what twc or what any local news stations ever say. Us weenies know more. Most people just piggyback what dtx says, which we all know is as accurate as accuwx. Do you still watch local news for their forecasts?

[Stevo6899]

If there was any kind of leadership still around, I would request the last 3 pages of our detroit shenanigans in here be moved to the banter thread. Although I think for historic/archive purposes, the Ohio crew had their own thread for this? What happened to Hoosier? I haven't seen him around this winter.