September Banter 2025

[CAPE]

Christ fire him now. That defense wasn't ever going to stop Allen and the Bills at that point. And predictably they instantly were in FG range anyway after the punt. 

Put it in the hands of your 2 time MVP QB and Henry to get 3 damn yards then run the clock out.

[nj2va]

lol Bears.  They were in complete control and then just collapsed. 

[Maestrobjwa]

2 hours ago, nj2va said:

lol Bears.  They were in complete control and then just collapsed. 

Oh wow I wonder what that feels like 

[Maestrobjwa]

9 hours ago, CAPE said:

fire him now. That defense wasn't ever going to stop Allen and the Bills at that point. And predictably they instantly were in FG range anyway after the punt. 

Put it in the hands of your 2 time MVP QB and Henry to get 3 damn yards then run the clock out.

Lamar wasn't available for that play, btw. He had gotten blown up the play before and came out with cramping. Don't wanna use a timeout there either since you were gonna need those if ya didn't get it (and that likely wouldn't have been enough time for Lamar to get back in there) So without the threat of Lamar and just Henry behind that struggling O-line...ehhhhh that was far less likely to work, imo Lamar said if he had been out there he would've insisted on going for it.

[CAPE]

1 hour ago, Maestrobjwa said:

Lamar wasn't available for that play, btw. He had gotten blown up the play before and came out with cramping. Don't wanna use a timeout there either since you were gonna need those if ya didn't get it (and that likely wouldn't have been enough time for Lamar to get back in there) So without the threat of Lamar and just Henry behind that struggling O-line...ehhhhh that was far less likely to work, imo Lamar said if he had been out there he would've insisted on going for it.

lol he was available. You really think Lamar would miss a pivotal play because of a cramp? During the post game presser said he was cramping, which is why he didn't push Harbaugh to go for it when he made the decision to punt. That's the only time that tidbit of info came up. Personally I think he was covering for his coach in that moment because he was essentially asked whether he thought they should have gone for it. And why not use a time out there? if they make the first down they run the clock out. Harbaugh really has no feel for when to be aggressive and when not to be. In game/in the moment decisions and clock management are so fundamental for a HC, and he sucks at it.

 

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Turns out, Jackson was cramping. After the contest, he said that was the reason he didn't try to convince head coach John Harbaugh to go for it on fourth down.

https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/breaking-news/article/lamar-jackson-said-cramps-played-role-in-critical-decision-to-punt-to-bills-john-harbaugh-stands-up-for-ravens-defense-141316519.html

[mappy]

17 hours ago, Chris78 said:

They'll have to clean up the penalties and sloppy play if they want to beat the packers on Thursday.

 

The good news is they definitely left alot of meat on the bone but the game never really felt in doubt.

I think their roster Is much more talented this year.

I think they can beat the Packers, especially if they clean up the penalties and not lose yards because of them. Need to force some turnovers. 

[aldie 22]

For some reason I wasn't upset at how the game started for the Vikings i just figured JJ was so new it is going to take time. The defense was solid and with the score still close i started to think some guys just win even when its ugly. Once the momentum shifted i knew it was on. Who knows how the rest of the season goes but 1-0 is better than 0-1. Caleb Williams has talent but I don't think he's him.

[LP08]

53 minutes ago, aldie 22 said:

For some reason I wasn't upset at how the game started for the Vikings i just figured JJ was so new it is going to take time. The defense was solid and with the score still close i started to think some guys just win even when its ugly. Once the momentum shifted i knew it was on. Who knows how the rest of the season goes but 1-0 is better than 0-1. Caleb Williams has talent but I don't think he's him.

Not a Bears fan but read somewhere this morning that when he is pressured and starts to run, he doesn't look like he has control of his arms and legs.  Just complete panic and I kinda laughed thinking back at watching it, lol.

Commanders are so lucky JD5 was there at 2.

[Maestrobjwa]

6 hours ago, CAPE said:

lol he was available. You really think Lamar would miss a pivotal play because of a cramp? During the post game presser said he was cramping, which is why he didn't push Harbaugh to go for it when he made the decision to punt. That's the only time that tidbit of info came up. Personally I think he was covering for his coach in that moment because he was essentially asked whether he thought they should have gone for it. And why not use a time out there? if they make the first down they run the clock out. Harbaugh really has no feel for when to be aggressive and when not to be. In game/in the moment decisions and clock management are so fundamental for a HC, and he sucks at it.

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/breaking-news/article/lamar-jackson-said-cramps-played-role-in-critical-decision-to-punt-to-bills-john-harbaugh-stands-up-for-ravens-defense-141316519.html

Err...you kinda confirmed my point about Lamar's availability on that play by sharing this. Lamar literally said he would've gone for it if jot for the cramp--and Lamar does not lie about stuff, and you know how often he tells Harbs to go for it, lol Think of his history and how much of a competitor he is--if he could go you KNOW he woulda been right out there screaming for them to go for it. That's who he is--so for him not to stay out there you know he wasn't feeling right. And ya want more evidence? Lamar was absolutely LEVELED by a D-lineman the play before and it should've been a flag. I heard that Lamar kinda hobbled off after that. That hit is probably what caused it. So to me, saying "Lamar is covering for his coach" is pure confirmation bias speculation that doesn't match with Lamar's history or character.

Now I know you gonna think I'm defending Harbaugh overall but I'm not--so don't misunderstand...I am NOT disagreeing that Harbaugh has issues with game management. I'm sure that's your main point. But I DO disagree with you saying Lamar could've been out there (which is what MY point is). I do not believe he was available. And I also do not believe a 30 second timeout would've been enough time to get Lamar to recover and get back out there that quickly. Now...could they have brought in Cooper Rush and just ran Henry right at 'em? I can kinda understand that argument. Lower success rate because of no Lamar but...maybe.

[CAPE]

Sigh..

Fucking Harbaugh. Almost want to root for a disaster of a season so they finally get rid of him.

[stormy]

15 day qpf says very dry for all except a few showers along the coast.

Severe Drought is on the way................................

[CAPE]

6 hours ago, Maestrobjwa said:

Err...you kinda confirmed my point about Lamar's availability on that play by sharing this. Lamar literally said he would've gone for it if jot for the cramp--and Lamar does not lie about stuff, and you know how often he tells Harbs to go for it, lol Think of his history and how much of a competitor he is--if he could go you KNOW he woulda been right out there screaming for them to go for it. That's who he is--so for him not to stay out there you know he wasn't feeling right. And ya want more evidence? Lamar was absolutely LEVELED by a D-lineman the play before and it should've been a flag. I heard that Lamar kinda hobbled off after that. That hit is probably what caused it. So to me, saying "Lamar is covering for his coach" is pure confirmation bias speculation that doesn't match with Lamar's history or character.

Now I know you gonna think I'm defending Harbaugh overall but I'm not--so don't misunderstand...I am NOT disagreeing that Harbaugh has issues with game management. I'm sure that's your main point. But I DO disagree with you saying Lamar could've been out there (which is what MY point is). I do not believe he was available. And I also do not believe a 30 second timeout would've been enough time to get Lamar to recover and get back out there that quickly. Now...could they have brought in Cooper Rush and just ran Henry right at 'em? I can kinda understand that argument. Lower success rate because of no Lamar but...maybe.

You are missing the point. Harbaugh didn't make the decision to punt based on any input from Jackson. He literally defended it by saying he trusts his defense in that spot.

Oh really? Based on what?

I know Lamar said he was cramping, but I don't buy it. The offense was stagnant. He cramped handing off the ball to Henry as he fumbled it? Then watching Josh Allen engineer a comeback?? On the drive in question he handed off to Henry, pitched the ball to Flowers on a jet sweep, then stood in the pocket and threw a 6 yd pass. He is a well conditioned world class athlete. Yes at the the end of that play, he took a viscous hit, so maybe he was a bit shook from that. If that's the case then take the damn timeout. The reality is Harbaugh made the decision in isolation to punt. As Tony Soprano would say.. end of story.

[Maestrobjwa]

3 hours ago, CAPE said:

You are missing the point. Harbaugh didn't make the decision to punt based on any input from Jackson. He literally defended it by saying he trusts his defense in that spot.

No you're missing mine. I AGREE with your point about Harbaugh ultimately making to conservative of a decision--as has been his pattern. That is not in question. And yes, there was no input from Lamar because he took himself off the field. He said if he had stayed on the field he woulda told everybody they're going forward (and as before Harbaugh would've gone with that).

But you basically accusing Lamar of lying is wild--hard to take that part of your argument seriously. You know he'd never come off the field in that situation unless he was having legit discomfort. And a 30 second timeout would not have fixed that.

[Chris78]

Maestro works PR for the Os and the Ravens... 

[Maestrobjwa]

1 hour ago, Chris78 said:

Maestro works PR for the Os and the Ravens... 

Man I'm telling ya I knew you were gonna come in and say that, lol Now in this case though I'm not defending Harbaugh like I was Rubinstein (before recent weeks). It's time for us to move on from Harbaugh because he's the main obstacle to us getting a ring. But cape just acting like Lamar lied about not being able to be in there and I called cap on that foolishness, lol

[Maestrobjwa]

6 hours ago, CAPE said:

Sigh..

Fucking Harbaugh. Almost want to root for a disaster of a season so they finally get rid of him.

I think going one and done in the playoffs again will do it. Besides...he seems...old. Not even having the energy he once did. He could just retire...

[CAPE]

8 minutes ago, Maestrobjwa said:

Man I'm telling ya I knew you were gonna come in and say that, lol Now in this case though I'm not defending Harbaugh like I was Rubinstein (before recent weeks). It's time for us to move on from Harbaugh because he's the main obstacle to us getting a ring. But cape just acting like Lamar lied about not being able to be in there and I called cap on that.

lol so dramatic. There are plenty of folks who don't think cramping had anything to do with not going for it on 4th down. Also he got back up after this hit and walked off the field- didn't hobble.

 

[Maestrobjwa]

1 hour ago, CAPE said:

lol so dramatic. There are plenty of folks who don't think cramping had anything to do with not going for it on 4th down. Also he got back up after this hit and walked off the field- didn't hobble.

 

Now...this angle doesn't show when/how he left the field. Some people (presumably who were there) have said they saw him limp off a bit. Now the question is, then...why didn't Lamar stay on the field and insist on going for it if he wasn't in any real discomfort? From these post-game comments, Lamar obviously wanted to go for it. And Harbs usually listens to him--so what was different this time? This is why I don't think Lamar was lying. Now in that case...a timeout should've been called (probably worth the risk if Lamar could get back out there)

P.S. You seem to forget that I'm a musician. We are prone to dramatic outbursts! It's literally in our dna 

[CAPE]

Not a big fan of this blog overall, but it has its moments. Imo this one is spot on, and worth the read. Not anything a true ravens fan doesn't already know- but well constructed and a great synopsis of how/why we have gotten to this point with the Ravens under Harbaugh.

https://russellstreetreport.com/2025/09/10/street-talk/harbaugh-mirror/

Related, and also good:

https://russellstreetreport.com/2025/09/09/street-talk/harbaugh-conservative/

[CAPE]

15 hours ago, Maestrobjwa said:

Now...this angle doesn't show when/how he left the field. Some people (presumably who were there) have said they saw him limp off a bit. Now the question is, then...why didn't Lamar stay on the field and insist on going for it if he wasn't in any real discomfort? From these post-game comments, Lamar obviously wanted to go for it. And Harbs usually listens to him--so what was different this time? This is why I don't think Lamar was lying. Now in that case...a timeout should've been called (probably worth the risk if Lamar could get back out there)

P.S. You seem to forget that I'm a musician. We are prone to dramatic outbursts! It's literally in our dna 

Dude- Not a single member of the local or national media, in discussing this latest Ravens collapse, acknowledge that Lamar's post game mention of cramping had any significant impact on Harbaugh's monumentally wrong decision to punt. In most cases it is barely a mention, or not at all.. They are killing Harbaugh, and rightfully so. Like I said, that was Lamar giving some cover to his coach for making that (fucking dumbass) decision. Let it go lol. Lamar is a gamer, and I guarantee you he wanted to end that game then and there.

eta- Maybe read what I posted above. 

[CAPE]

It's Wed. Time for Raven's fans to move forward. Hopefully the Ravens, at home, don't do what they did last season in game 2- play flat and down to their competition and lose. That was a true Harbaugh special- blowing a late 10 point lead, AND ultimately losing to an inferior team. The Raiders and Gardner fucking Minshew? lmao. Made him look like Dan Marino. Flacco would love to do it, but he is a dinosaur. Ravens better get control and keep it for 60 mins, or it might be a second straight 0-2 start.

[Maestrobjwa]

47 minutes ago, CAPE said:

Dude- Not a single member of the local or national media, in discussing this latest Ravens collapse, acknowledge that Lamar's post game mention of cramping had any significant impact on Harbaugh's monumentally wrong decision to punt. In most cases it is barely a mention, or not at all.. They are killing Harbaugh, and rightfully so. Like I said, that was Lamar giving some cover to his coach for making that (fucking dumbass) decision. Let it go lol. Lamar is a gamer, and I guarantee you he wanted to end that game then and there.

eta- Maybe read what I posted above. 

I don't have to read it...you know why? I agree with any criticism of Harbaugh they may contain. My argument doesn't contradict any of that. Harbaugh made the decision. They didn't mention the cramp because they were more focused on the overall pattern with Harbaugh. I'm just saying that if Lamar was able to stay on the field, he would've demanded they go for it--and Harbaugh would've listened to him and gone for it. It's been like that since the Seattle game back in 2019. But because he wasn't out there to convince him, Harbaugh stayed true to form and punted, smh That's why the cramp story is credible to me (and again Lamar doesn't lie) and not at all excusing of Harbaugh's decision making because it shouldn't have had to take Lamar making a case in the first place. Harbaugh still has to go.

Final summary of my argument.

[Maestrobjwa]

32 minutes ago, CAPE said:

It's Wed. Time for Raven's fans to move forward. Hopefully the Ravens, at home, don't do what they did last season in game 2- play flat and down to their competition and lose. That is a true Harbaugh special- blowing a late 10 point lead, AND ultimately losing to an inferior team. The Raiders and Gardner fucking Minshew? lmao. Made him look like Dan Marino. Flacco would love to do it, but he is a dinosaur. Ravens better get control and keep it for 60 mins, or it might be a second straight 0-2 start.

I've already halfway moved forward to 2026. I think we recover and win a bunch of games, maybe even the division, but go one-and-done in the playoffs because of the same thing. And hopefully then they move on from Harbaugh.

[CAPE]

2 minutes ago, Maestrobjwa said:

I don't have to read it...you know why? I agree with any criticism of Harbaugh they may contain. My argument doesn't contradict any of that. Harbaugh made the decision. They didn't mention the cramp because they were more focused on the overall pattern with Harbaugh. I'm just saying that if Lamar was able to stay on the field, he would've demanded they go for it--and Harbaugh would've listened to him and gone for it. It's been like that since the Seattle game back in 2019. But because he wasn't out there to convince him, Harbaugh stayed true to form and punted, smh That's why the cramp story is credible to me (and again Lamar doesn't lie) and not at all excusing of Harbaugh's decision making because it shouldn't have had to take Lamar making a case in the first place. Final summary of my argument.

Damn you are rigid lol. He didn't LIE, he made an excuse for his dumb coach who made a boneheaded decision. Carry on.

[Maestrobjwa]

3 minutes ago, CAPE said:

Damn you are rigid lol. He didn't LIE, he made an excuse for his dumb coach who made a boneheaded decision. Carry on.

Well then we agree he didn't lie and really did have a cramp...people can take it as an excuse or whatever that's cool. I can understand that. Carrying on 

[CAPE]

2 minutes ago, Maestrobjwa said:

I've already halfway moved forward to 2026. I think we recover and win a bunch of games, maybe even the division, but go one-and-done in the playoffs because of the same thing. And hopefully then they move on from Harbaugh.

I generally agree with this. They have a tough schedule, but will overcome deficiencies and win probably 11 games. Might end up a wildcard but will be in the postseason.  If they win a game or 2 in post season, Harbaugh will remain the coach imo. If we want him gone, they would probably have to miss the playoffs.

[Maestrobjwa]

2 minutes ago, CAPE said:

I generally agree with this. They have a tough schedule, but will overcome deficiencies and win probably 11 games. Might end up a wildcard but will be in the postseason.  If they win a game or 2 in post season, Harbaugh will remain the coach imo. If we want him gone, they would probably have to miss the playoffs.

Hey remember what I showed ya about Peyton Manning and Lamar in the playoffs? Well, if we want Harbaugh out we gotta root for that trend to continue. Manning went one and done in Year 8 to fall to 3-6 in the playoffs...and such a result this year would give Lamar an identical record...and maybe a new coach leads to a Lamar SB ring in year 9? 

[CAPE]

6 minutes ago, Maestrobjwa said:

Well then we agree he didn't lie and really did have a cramp...people can take it as an excuse or whatever that's cool. I can understand that. Carrying on 

Don't know about the cramp, but ok. I think he might have needed a minute to shake off that big hit though. A timeout perhaps...

[Stormchaserchuck1]

They almost blocked that FG at the end. I don't know how the guy didn't block it actually, he had a completely clear lane to the kicker. 

40 points, no INTs, 235 rushing yds and losing lol. The defense has been off since that D-coordinator who is now coach of SEA left. They have like 6 pro bowlers on defense. No excuses it should be that terrible. Buffalo was completing sidelines passes when they needed to.. last play of the half etc. It's pretty easy to defend against a desperate situation you would think...