September Banter 2025

[CAPE]

Christ fire him now. That defense wasn't ever going to stop Allen and the Bills at that point. And predictably they instantly were in FG range anyway after the punt. 

Put it in the hands of your 2 time MVP QB and Henry to get 3 damn yards then run the clock out.

[nj2va]

lol Bears.  They were in complete control and then just collapsed. 

[Maestrobjwa]

2 hours ago, nj2va said:

lol Bears.  They were in complete control and then just collapsed. 

Oh wow I wonder what that feels like 

[Maestrobjwa]

9 hours ago, CAPE said:

fire him now. That defense wasn't ever going to stop Allen and the Bills at that point. And predictably they instantly were in FG range anyway after the punt. 

Put it in the hands of your 2 time MVP QB and Henry to get 3 damn yards then run the clock out.

Lamar wasn't available for that play, btw. He had gotten blown up the play before and came out with cramping. Don't wanna use a timeout there either since you were gonna need those if ya didn't get it (and that likely wouldn't have been enough time for Lamar to get back in there) So without the threat of Lamar and just Henry behind that struggling O-line...ehhhhh that was far less likely to work, imo Lamar said if he had been out there he would've insisted on going for it.

[CAPE]

1 hour ago, Maestrobjwa said:

Lamar wasn't available for that play, btw. He had gotten blown up the play before and came out with cramping. Don't wanna use a timeout there either since you were gonna need those if ya didn't get it (and that likely wouldn't have been enough time for Lamar to get back in there) So without the threat of Lamar and just Henry behind that struggling O-line...ehhhhh that was far less likely to work, imo Lamar said if he had been out there he would've insisted on going for it.

lol he was available. You really think Lamar would miss a pivotal play because of a cramp? During the post game presser said he was cramping, which is why he didn't push Harbaugh to go for it when he made the decision to punt. That's the only time that tidbit of info came up. Personally I think he was covering for his coach in that moment because he was essentially asked whether he thought they should have gone for it. And why not use a time out there? if they make the first down they run the clock out. Harbaugh really has no feel for when to be aggressive and when not to be. In game/in the moment decisions and clock management are so fundamental for a HC, and he sucks at it.

 

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Turns out, Jackson was cramping. After the contest, he said that was the reason he didn't try to convince head coach John Harbaugh to go for it on fourth down.

https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/breaking-news/article/lamar-jackson-said-cramps-played-role-in-critical-decision-to-punt-to-bills-john-harbaugh-stands-up-for-ravens-defense-141316519.html

[mappy]

17 hours ago, Chris78 said:

They'll have to clean up the penalties and sloppy play if they want to beat the packers on Thursday.

 

The good news is they definitely left alot of meat on the bone but the game never really felt in doubt.

I think their roster Is much more talented this year.

I think they can beat the Packers, especially if they clean up the penalties and not lose yards because of them. Need to force some turnovers. 

[aldie 22]

For some reason I wasn't upset at how the game started for the Vikings i just figured JJ was so new it is going to take time. The defense was solid and with the score still close i started to think some guys just win even when its ugly. Once the momentum shifted i knew it was on. Who knows how the rest of the season goes but 1-0 is better than 0-1. Caleb Williams has talent but I don't think he's him.

[LP08]

53 minutes ago, aldie 22 said:

For some reason I wasn't upset at how the game started for the Vikings i just figured JJ was so new it is going to take time. The defense was solid and with the score still close i started to think some guys just win even when its ugly. Once the momentum shifted i knew it was on. Who knows how the rest of the season goes but 1-0 is better than 0-1. Caleb Williams has talent but I don't think he's him.

Not a Bears fan but read somewhere this morning that when he is pressured and starts to run, he doesn't look like he has control of his arms and legs.  Just complete panic and I kinda laughed thinking back at watching it, lol.

Commanders are so lucky JD5 was there at 2.

[Maestrobjwa]

6 hours ago, CAPE said:

lol he was available. You really think Lamar would miss a pivotal play because of a cramp? During the post game presser said he was cramping, which is why he didn't push Harbaugh to go for it when he made the decision to punt. That's the only time that tidbit of info came up. Personally I think he was covering for his coach in that moment because he was essentially asked whether he thought they should have gone for it. And why not use a time out there? if they make the first down they run the clock out. Harbaugh really has no feel for when to be aggressive and when not to be. In game/in the moment decisions and clock management are so fundamental for a HC, and he sucks at it.

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/breaking-news/article/lamar-jackson-said-cramps-played-role-in-critical-decision-to-punt-to-bills-john-harbaugh-stands-up-for-ravens-defense-141316519.html

Err...you kinda confirmed my point about Lamar's availability on that play by sharing this. Lamar literally said he would've gone for it if jot for the cramp--and Lamar does not lie about stuff, and you know how often he tells Harbs to go for it, lol Think of his history and how much of a competitor he is--if he could go you KNOW he woulda been right out there screaming for them to go for it. That's who he is--so for him not to stay out there you know he wasn't feeling right. And ya want more evidence? Lamar was absolutely LEVELED by a D-lineman the play before and it should've been a flag. I heard that Lamar kinda hobbled off after that. That hit is probably what caused it. So to me, saying "Lamar is covering for his coach" is pure confirmation bias speculation that doesn't match with Lamar's history or character.

Now I know you gonna think I'm defending Harbaugh overall but I'm not--so don't misunderstand...I am NOT disagreeing that Harbaugh has issues with game management. I'm sure that's your main point. But I DO disagree with you saying Lamar could've been out there (which is what MY point is). I do not believe he was available. And I also do not believe a 30 second timeout would've been enough time to get Lamar to recover and get back out there that quickly. Now...could they have brought in Cooper Rush and just ran Henry right at 'em? I can kinda understand that argument. Lower success rate because of no Lamar but...maybe.

[CAPE]

Sigh..

Fucking Harbaugh. Almost want to root for a disaster of a season so they finally get rid of him.

[stormy]

15 day qpf says very dry for all except a few showers along the coast.

Severe Drought is on the way................................

[CAPE]

6 hours ago, Maestrobjwa said:

Err...you kinda confirmed my point about Lamar's availability on that play by sharing this. Lamar literally said he would've gone for it if jot for the cramp--and Lamar does not lie about stuff, and you know how often he tells Harbs to go for it, lol Think of his history and how much of a competitor he is--if he could go you KNOW he woulda been right out there screaming for them to go for it. That's who he is--so for him not to stay out there you know he wasn't feeling right. And ya want more evidence? Lamar was absolutely LEVELED by a D-lineman the play before and it should've been a flag. I heard that Lamar kinda hobbled off after that. That hit is probably what caused it. So to me, saying "Lamar is covering for his coach" is pure confirmation bias speculation that doesn't match with Lamar's history or character.

Now I know you gonna think I'm defending Harbaugh overall but I'm not--so don't misunderstand...I am NOT disagreeing that Harbaugh has issues with game management. I'm sure that's your main point. But I DO disagree with you saying Lamar could've been out there (which is what MY point is). I do not believe he was available. And I also do not believe a 30 second timeout would've been enough time to get Lamar to recover and get back out there that quickly. Now...could they have brought in Cooper Rush and just ran Henry right at 'em? I can kinda understand that argument. Lower success rate because of no Lamar but...maybe.

You are missing the point. Harbaugh didn't make the decision to punt based on any input from Jackson. He literally defended it by saying he trusts his defense in that spot.

Oh really? Based on what?

I know Lamar said he was cramping, but I don't buy it. The offense was stagnant. He cramped handing off the ball to Henry as he fumbled it? Then watching Josh Allen engineer a comeback?? On the drive in question he handed off to Henry, pitched the ball to Flowers on a jet sweep, then stood in the pocket and threw a 6 yd pass. He is a well conditioned world class athlete. Yes at the the end of that play, he took a viscous hit, so maybe he was a bit shook from that. If that's the case then take the damn timeout. The reality is Harbaugh made the decision in isolation to punt. As Tony Soprano would say.. end of story.

[Maestrobjwa]

3 hours ago, CAPE said:

You are missing the point. Harbaugh didn't make the decision to punt based on any input from Jackson. He literally defended it by saying he trusts his defense in that spot.

No you're missing mine. I AGREE with your point about Harbaugh ultimately making to conservative of a decision--as has been his pattern. That is not in question. And yes, there was no input from Lamar because he took himself off the field. He said if he had stayed on the field he woulda told everybody they're going forward (and as before Harbaugh would've gone with that).

But you basically accusing Lamar of lying is wild--hard to take that part of your argument seriously. You know he'd never come off the field in that situation unless he was having legit discomfort. And a 30 second timeout would not have fixed that.

[Chris78]

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