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August 2025 Discussion-OBS - cooler than normal first week but a big comeback to warmer than normal for the last 2-3 weeks


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23 minutes ago, TheClimateChanger said:

I doubt we'll see another winter of 1944-45 though! Here are some scenes from the Finger Lakes and Buffalo, respectively.

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And Toronto, Ontario, in the wake of the Great Snowstorm of 1944:

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Really an incredible winter that ought to be remembered as fondly as 1976-1977, but they didn't measure snowfall in the same manner or with the same diligence and so it gets lost in the shuffle... but the snow depth records tell the real story. It's like comparing the dead ball era baseball records to the modern era. Like you'd think the 1910s weren't that snowy at Buffalo until you look and see there was a foot of snow on the ground for most of the winter! These days, they'll be like X location picked up 100" of lake effect in 4 days, and the peak snow depth will be like 20 inches. :lol:

December-February snow depth at Buffalo - actually had 6 more days of 18"+ than 1976-1977!

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At Erie, an absolutely absurd 20 more days of 18"+ than any other winter, despite 4 missing days...

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10 hours ago, donsutherland1 said:

The position of the ridge and how far north the jet stream is.

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The position of the ridge allows for some onshore flow in the NJ-NYC-CT areas. Miramichi, Caribou, Bangor, Burlington and Montreal were in prime spots for maximum heating.

Familiar pattern in recent years as the all-time record heat went to our north in Canada.
 

 

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73 / 72 clear.   Clouds / showers, storms later, already storms/clouds into WPA - 6 - 8 hours away (1:30 - 3:30 arrival).  Lingering clouds , scattered showers/storms overnight and another round tomorrow night, local spots to an inch or better.  Otherwise, continued hot/humid with most getting to low 90s.   We'll see if clouds spoil 90s today or tomorrow to continue this moderate heatwave.  The weekend looks overall dry with Sunday the hotttest day low - mid 90s perhaps a few spots hotter.   Erin approaches but safely hooks northeast out Mon-Wed.   Trough into the northeast cools off to near/below normal from Tuesday through most of next week into next weekend.  Beyond there warmer into the close of the month as heights rise into the east.

 

8./13 - 8/18 : Warm - Hot / humid.   Peak heat Sunday into Monday, Rain Storms Wed/Thu. 
8/19 - 8.25 :  Cooler   - near / below normal overall
8/26 - Beyond :   Warmer and wet overall

 

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Records:

Highs:

EWR: 102 (2005)
NYC: 99 (2005)
LGA: 100 (2005)
JFK: 92 (2005)


Lows:

EWR: 55 (1950)
NYC: 55 (1930)
LGA: 56 (1979)
JFK: 56 (1979)

Historical:

 


1795: A major hurricane only ten days after a previous storm struck North Carolina and produced high winds as far inland as Winston-Salem. At Monticello, near Charlottesville, Thomas Jefferson noted that the loss of soil from the heavy rain thus far that month could be "modestly estimated at a year's rent."
(David Ludlum)A "powerful torrent of rain" deluged Petersburg; creeks were at their highest point of the past 70 years.The second hurricane of the year caused flooding in the Virginia and North Carolina area contributing to a very wet summer. (Ref. for Hurricane of 1795)

1831 - The Great Barbados Hurricane was an intense Category 4 hurricane that left cataclysmic damage across the Caribbean and Louisiana in 1831. From August 11 through the 13, Bermudians were amazed to see the sun with a decidedly blue appearance, giving off an eerie blue light when it shone into rooms and other enclosed places. Ships at sea as far west as Cape Hatteras reported that "their white sails appeared a light blue colour." A month later it was learned that the astounding blue sunlight had coincided with a terrible hurricane that caused 1,477 people to lose their lives. It was assumed that the hurricane was intensive enough to cause an unusual disturbance in the higher atmospheric strata, and refraction, diffraction or absorption of light rays, to produce the blue reflection. Because the sun appeared bluish-green, Nat Turner took this as the final signal and began a slave rebellion a week later on August 21.

1913: Indianapolis, IN received 1.30 inches of rain in 15 minutes, 1.98 inches in 30 minutes and 2.68 inches in one hour. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

1919 - High winds and heavy rain struck the Middle Atlantic Coast Region. In New Jersey, winds gusted to 60 mph at Atlantic City, and nine inches of rain fell at Tuckerton. The wind and rain leveled crops and stripped trees of fruit causing several million dollars damage. (David Ludlum)

1935: A severe thunderstorm collapsed the roof of the B&O Hall of Transportation Building in Baltimore, MD which housed the most important collection of railroad models, pictures, exhibits and stock in the world. Many old, fragile locomotives like the Tom Thumb and Thomas Jefferson steam engines escape destruction when the largest locomotives lined up in the center of the building acted to hold up the collapsing roof. The collection would again be damaged by a collapsing roof in 2003 when the snowstorm dumped a record 28.2 inches of snow in four days, including 21.8 inches on February 16th. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

1953: At 10 p.m. on the 13th, Hurricane Barbara struck the North Carolina coast between Morehead City and Ocracoke. The storm then moved north and northeast, before going out to sea just south of Norfolk. Winds reached 63 mph with gusts to 76 mph at Norfolk. Winds at Cape Henry were sustained at 72 mph. (Ref. Hurricanes Late 20century - Hurricane Barbara)

1955: Hurricane Connie dumped 5 to 8 inches of rain on Southeastern Pennsylvania, ending a drought that had been plaguing the area. (Ref. AccWeather Weather History)Boston, Massachusetts area had 25 people killed by Hurricane Connie. (Ref. NOAA Boston Weather Events)

1977: Lightning strike near Indian point, NY triggered massive 24 hour power blackout in NY City. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

1978: Four inches of snow at fell at Salmon, ND. (Ref. AccWeather Weather History)
 

1980 - The afternoon high at New York City was just 89 degrees. But there were fifteen days of 90 degree heat during the month, their hottest August of record. (The Weather Channel)

1985 - Hail larger than golf balls, driven by 70 mph winds, moved down crops, stripped trees, and broke windows, near Logan KS. Road graders cleared three foot drifts of hail on Kansas Highway 9 east of Logan. (The Weather Channel)

1987 - Thunderstorms deluged the Central Gulf Coast States with torrential rains. Thunderstorms in Mississippi drenched Marion County with up to 15 inches of rain during the morning hours, with 12.2 inches reported at Columbia. Floodwaters swept cars away in the Lakeview subdivision of Columbia when the the Lakeview Dam broke. Flash flooding caused more than three million dollars damage in Marion County. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

1988 - A dozen cities in the northeastern U.S. reported record high temperatures for the date. Lansing MI reported a record 35 days of 90 degree weather for the year, Detroit MI reported a record 37 days of 90 degree heat for the year, and Williamsport PA reported a record 38 days of 90 degree weather for the year. (The National Weather Summary)

1989 - Thunderstorms developing in a tropical airmass over the northeastern U.S. soaked Connecticut and Massachusetts with four to eight inches of rain over the weekend, between the 11th and 13th of the month. Hartford CT received 7.70 inches of rain. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

1991 - Stockton, California received 0.05 inch of rainfall on this day. Since 1949, this is the only measured rainfall in Stockton on August 13th.

1995: Chicago, IL was in the midst of a four day heat wave where temperatures climbed into the middle 90s and lows were in the mid to upper 70s. The low temperature of 77° on this date tied for the record high minimum. Humidity was high and 27 deaths were attributed to the heat wave. The majority was in the Chicago area. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

2004: Hurricane Charley unexpectedly underwent rapid strengthening, jumping from a Category 2 to a powerful Category 4 storm in a few hours, while at the same time taking a sharp turn to the northeast. Charley made landfall as a Category 4 hurricane near Punta Gorda, Florida. Although the storm caused serious damage, much of this was limited to a narrow swath associated with the hurricane's eye wall. Charley was a very fast-moving, compact storm, and so much of its damage was attributed to high winds rather than heavy rain. Charley remained a hurricane across the entire Florida peninsula and passed through Orlando and near Daytona Beach. (Ref. More Information on Hurricane Charley)

2014 - An official, New York State 24 hour precipitation record was set at Islip, NY on August 12-13 when 13.57" of rain fell.

2014: In the New York City metro area early (Wednesday August 13, 2014) more than a foot of rain fell in just a few hours, causing extensive flooding on Long Island. As of 10 a.m. ET, Islip, New York had received 13.27 inches of rain, which set a state record for the heaviest 24-hour rainfall total in state history. This broke the previous record of 11.6 inches, set at Tannersville, New York in August of 2011 during Hurricane Irene. NY state record for the heaviest 24-hour rainfall(Ref.BY ANDREW FREEDMAN)
Midwest and Mid-Atlantic Flooding: August 11-13. Five inches of rain in 24 hours inundated Detroit, Michigan, submerging cars up to their roofs, in one of the city's worst flooding episodes on record. Flooding also hit the Baltimore, Maryland, and Washington, D.C., areas, and Islip, Long Island, New York, measured 13.26 inches in 24 hours, setting a new state record. Economic costs exceeded $2 billion.Ref. (Weatherwise MAY-JUNE 2015, page 14)

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9 hours ago, TheClimateChanger said:

I doubt we'll see another winter of 1944-45 though! Here are some scenes from the Finger Lakes and Buffalo, respectively.

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And Toronto, Ontario, in the wake of the Great Snowstorm of 1944:

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I wasn't alive back then of course but I would have loved to have been alive back then.

I don't remember what year it was (I think 1943 maybe?) NYC went below zero at least 4 times and one of them was -6.  That was the last time NYC was more than 2 below zero.

1947-48 was our greatest snowfall winter here until 1995-96

and epic heat in 1944, 1948, 1949, 1953 and 1955

 

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51 minutes ago, bluewave said:

Return to more comfortable temperatures next week into late August as the Erin recurve merges with the trough and keeps the 500 mb heights lower over the Northeast. 
 

August 18-25

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August 25-31

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Yes aside from the June 20 - July 31 period, this summer has been only slightly warmer than normal

 

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Just now, SACRUS said:

 

 

Clouds already into the area.  May be a limiting factor extending the 90s (today, perhaps tomorrow0

 

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Yes, today is much different from yesterday.

I'm glad we got so many nights of clear meteor viewing, I was up until 5:30 am this morning looking for shooting stars and there were no clouds (3 am to 5:30 am was when I was viewing.)

 

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1 hour ago, SACRUS said:

 

 

Records:

Highs:

EWR: 102 (2005)
NYC: 99 (2005)
LGA: 100 (2005)
JFK: 92 (2005)


Lows:

EWR: 55 (1950)
NYC: 55 (1930)
LGA: 56 (1979)
JFK: 56 (1979)

Historical:

 


1795: A major hurricane only ten days after a previous storm struck North Carolina and produced high winds as far inland as Winston-Salem. At Monticello, near Charlottesville, Thomas Jefferson noted that the loss of soil from the heavy rain thus far that month could be "modestly estimated at a year's rent."
(David Ludlum)A "powerful torrent of rain" deluged Petersburg; creeks were at their highest point of the past 70 years.The second hurricane of the year caused flooding in the Virginia and North Carolina area contributing to a very wet summer. (Ref. for Hurricane of 1795)

1831 - The Great Barbados Hurricane was an intense Category 4 hurricane that left cataclysmic damage across the Caribbean and Louisiana in 1831. From August 11 through the 13, Bermudians were amazed to see the sun with a decidedly blue appearance, giving off an eerie blue light when it shone into rooms and other enclosed places. Ships at sea as far west as Cape Hatteras reported that "their white sails appeared a light blue colour." A month later it was learned that the astounding blue sunlight had coincided with a terrible hurricane that caused 1,477 people to lose their lives. It was assumed that the hurricane was intensive enough to cause an unusual disturbance in the higher atmospheric strata, and refraction, diffraction or absorption of light rays, to produce the blue reflection. Because the sun appeared bluish-green, Nat Turner took this as the final signal and began a slave rebellion a week later on August 21.

1913: Indianapolis, IN received 1.30 inches of rain in 15 minutes, 1.98 inches in 30 minutes and 2.68 inches in one hour. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

1919 - High winds and heavy rain struck the Middle Atlantic Coast Region. In New Jersey, winds gusted to 60 mph at Atlantic City, and nine inches of rain fell at Tuckerton. The wind and rain leveled crops and stripped trees of fruit causing several million dollars damage. (David Ludlum)

1935: A severe thunderstorm collapsed the roof of the B&O Hall of Transportation Building in Baltimore, MD which housed the most important collection of railroad models, pictures, exhibits and stock in the world. Many old, fragile locomotives like the Tom Thumb and Thomas Jefferson steam engines escape destruction when the largest locomotives lined up in the center of the building acted to hold up the collapsing roof. The collection would again be damaged by a collapsing roof in 2003 when the snowstorm dumped a record 28.2 inches of snow in four days, including 21.8 inches on February 16th. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

1953: At 10 p.m. on the 13th, Hurricane Barbara struck the North Carolina coast between Morehead City and Ocracoke. The storm then moved north and northeast, before going out to sea just south of Norfolk. Winds reached 63 mph with gusts to 76 mph at Norfolk. Winds at Cape Henry were sustained at 72 mph. (Ref. Hurricanes Late 20century - Hurricane Barbara)

1955: Hurricane Connie dumped 5 to 8 inches of rain on Southeastern Pennsylvania, ending a drought that had been plaguing the area. (Ref. AccWeather Weather History)Boston, Massachusetts area had 25 people killed by Hurricane Connie. (Ref. NOAA Boston Weather Events)

1977: Lightning strike near Indian point, NY triggered massive 24 hour power blackout in NY City. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

1978: Four inches of snow at fell at Salmon, ND. (Ref. AccWeather Weather History)
 

1980 - The afternoon high at New York City was just 89 degrees. But there were fifteen days of 90 degree heat during the month, their hottest August of record. (The Weather Channel)

1985 - Hail larger than golf balls, driven by 70 mph winds, moved down crops, stripped trees, and broke windows, near Logan KS. Road graders cleared three foot drifts of hail on Kansas Highway 9 east of Logan. (The Weather Channel)

1987 - Thunderstorms deluged the Central Gulf Coast States with torrential rains. Thunderstorms in Mississippi drenched Marion County with up to 15 inches of rain during the morning hours, with 12.2 inches reported at Columbia. Floodwaters swept cars away in the Lakeview subdivision of Columbia when the the Lakeview Dam broke. Flash flooding caused more than three million dollars damage in Marion County. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

1988 - A dozen cities in the northeastern U.S. reported record high temperatures for the date. Lansing MI reported a record 35 days of 90 degree weather for the year, Detroit MI reported a record 37 days of 90 degree heat for the year, and Williamsport PA reported a record 38 days of 90 degree weather for the year. (The National Weather Summary)

1989 - Thunderstorms developing in a tropical airmass over the northeastern U.S. soaked Connecticut and Massachusetts with four to eight inches of rain over the weekend, between the 11th and 13th of the month. Hartford CT received 7.70 inches of rain. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

1991 - Stockton, California received 0.05 inch of rainfall on this day. Since 1949, this is the only measured rainfall in Stockton on August 13th.

1995: Chicago, IL was in the midst of a four day heat wave where temperatures climbed into the middle 90s and lows were in the mid to upper 70s. The low temperature of 77° on this date tied for the record high minimum. Humidity was high and 27 deaths were attributed to the heat wave. The majority was in the Chicago area. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

2004: Hurricane Charley unexpectedly underwent rapid strengthening, jumping from a Category 2 to a powerful Category 4 storm in a few hours, while at the same time taking a sharp turn to the northeast. Charley made landfall as a Category 4 hurricane near Punta Gorda, Florida. Although the storm caused serious damage, much of this was limited to a narrow swath associated with the hurricane's eye wall. Charley was a very fast-moving, compact storm, and so much of its damage was attributed to high winds rather than heavy rain. Charley remained a hurricane across the entire Florida peninsula and passed through Orlando and near Daytona Beach. (Ref. More Information on Hurricane Charley)

2014 - An official, New York State 24 hour precipitation record was set at Islip, NY on August 12-13 when 13.57" of rain fell.

2014: In the New York City metro area early (Wednesday August 13, 2014) more than a foot of rain fell in just a few hours, causing extensive flooding on Long Island. As of 10 a.m. ET, Islip, New York had received 13.27 inches of rain, which set a state record for the heaviest 24-hour rainfall total in state history. This broke the previous record of 11.6 inches, set at Tannersville, New York in August of 2011 during Hurricane Irene. NY state record for the heaviest 24-hour rainfall(Ref.BY ANDREW FREEDMAN)
Midwest and Mid-Atlantic Flooding: August 11-13. Five inches of rain in 24 hours inundated Detroit, Michigan, submerging cars up to their roofs, in one of the city's worst flooding episodes on record. Flooding also hit the Baltimore, Maryland, and Washington, D.C., areas, and Islip, Long Island, New York, measured 13.26 inches in 24 hours, setting a new state record. Economic costs exceeded $2 billion.Ref. (Weatherwise MAY-JUNE 2015, page 14)

2014 - An official, New York State 24 hour precipitation record was set at Islip, NY on August 12-13 when 13.57" of rain fell.

2014: In the New York City metro area early (Wednesday August 13, 2014) more than a foot of rain fell in just a few hours, causing extensive flooding on Long Island. As of 10 a.m. ET, Islip, New York had received 13.27 inches of rain, which set a state record for the heaviest 24-hour rainfall total in state history. This broke the previous record of 11.6 inches, set at Tannersville, New York in August of 2011 during Hurricane Irene. NY state record for the heaviest 24-hour rainfall(Ref.BY ANDREW FREEDMAN)
Midwest and Mid-Atlantic Flooding: August 11-13. Five inches of rain in 24 hours inundated Detroit, Michigan, submerging cars up to their roofs, in one of the city's worst flooding episodes on record. Flooding also hit the Baltimore, Maryland, and Washington, D.C., areas, and Islip, Long Island, New York, measured 13.26 inches in 24 hours, setting a new state record. Economic costs exceeded $2 billion.Ref. (Weatherwise MAY-JUNE 2015, page 14)

 

I remember this epic event as if it was yesterday!!!!

 

1995: Chicago, IL was in the midst of a four day heat wave where temperatures climbed into the middle 90s and lows were in the mid to upper 70s. The low temperature of 77° on this date tied for the record high minimum. Humidity was high and 27 deaths were attributed to the heat wave. The majority was in the Chicago area. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)
 

This was Chicago's endless summer

 

 

1980 - The afternoon high at New York City was just 89 degrees. But there were fifteen days of 90 degree heat during the month, their hottest August of record. (The Weather Channel)

 

Wild, and this August 1980 record still stands-- it was hotter than most Julys!!

 

 

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10 hours ago, TheClimateChanger said:

I doubt we'll see another winter of 1944-45 though! Here are some scenes from the Finger Lakes and Buffalo, respectively.

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And Toronto, Ontario, in the wake of the Great Snowstorm of 1944:

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Something interesting I've noticed is that our best winters come after our hottest summers.

Cases in point:

1933-34, 1955-56, 1966-67, 1977-78, 1993-94, 1995-96, 2002-03, 2010-11

 

 

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12 hours ago, donsutherland1 said:

The position of the ridge and how far north the jet stream is.

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The position of the ridge allows for some onshore flow in the NJ-NYC-CT areas. Miramichi, Caribou, Bangor, Burlington and Montreal were in prime spots for maximum heating.

The interesting thing is even Boston had onshore flow, the heat was pushed well to the north of us.

What causes that to happen vs the more normal kind of heat we had in late June?

In late June weren't the 100 degree temperatures more extensive (we were over 100 and so was Maine?)

 

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1 hour ago, bluewave said:

Return to more comfortable temperatures next week into late August as the Erin recurve merges with the trough and keeps the 500 mb heights lower over the Northeast. 
 

August 18-25

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August 25-31

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it's very comfortable right now.  I turn off my a/c every night around 2-3 am when I get up for meteor viewing because it's freezing.

 

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56 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

How is the heat skipping here and getting up there-- look at that place Maple Plains right on the Ocean, it's over 100 degrees.

 

The Bermuda high has been shifting much further north during recent summers leading to more onshore flow here and record heat going to our north were the deep SW flow sets up.

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1 hour ago, LibertyBell said:

The interesting thing is even Boston had onshore flow, the heat was pushed well to the north of us.

What causes that to happen vs the more normal kind of heat we had in late June?

In late June weren't the 100 degree temperatures more extensive (we were over 100 and so was Maine?)

 

There are many variables that are involved. SSTAs could promote a tendency for ridging in various locations. Teleconnections could influence the positioning of such synoptic features. Rossby waves can also shape the development of the synoptic pattern. 

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48 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

Yeah it wasn't even close lol

Cant even say which model did the best because NONE of them did well!!

 

The original idea of the heat this week coming in under June and July levels turned to be correct. This is what the models were originally showing before shifting to 102° heat in later runs. We haven’t had any 100° heat after August 13th since 1993. We also haven’t had 100° heat after August 10th since 2005. 
 

First/Last 100° Day Summary for NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP, NJ
Each section contains date and year of occurrence, value on that date.
Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending.
1993 06-19 (1993) 102 09-03 (1993) 100 75
1953 06-21 (1953) 100 09-02 (1953) 105 72
1973 08-28 (1973) 100 08-28 (1973) 100 0
1948 08-26 (1948) 103 08-28 (1948) 102 1
2005 07-27 (2005) 101 08-13 (2005) 102 16
2002 07-04 (2002) 100 08-13 (2002) 100 39
1944 08-04 (1944) 100 08-13 (1944) 100 8
1949 07-03 (1949) 100 08-11 (1949) 102 38
2022 07-20 (2022) 100 08-09 (2022) 101 19
2001 08-07 (2001) 100 08-09 (2001) 105 1
2006 08-01 (2006) 100 08-03 (2006) 101 1
1955 07-05 (1955) 101 08-02 (1955) 100 27
2024 06-21 (2024) 100 08-01 (2024) 100 40
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