FPizz Posted 19 hours ago Share Posted 19 hours ago 3 hours ago, Sundog said: I see Central Park is in summer mode lol Same with Newark. No difference in the ridiculousness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wxoutlooksblog Posted 19 hours ago Share Posted 19 hours ago 8 hours ago, LibertyBell said: Isn't this the same pattern we had in the winter? Not quite. Similar in some ways. WX/PT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted 19 hours ago Share Posted 19 hours ago 52 minutes ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said: Yep, lots of rain recently. The issue just gets worse and worse every year as the instruments get further buried in foliage. They don't have the money to cut it huh? I still don't see that heatwave from 1953 or 1993 ever being equaled. 102 in September is absolutely unreal lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wxoutlooksblog Posted 19 hours ago Share Posted 19 hours ago 11 hours ago, LibertyBell said: How many 90 degree days did NYC and JFK have in 2022? That 49 number for Newark seems rather high and doesn't fit the profile of the other summers around it which were hotter. 1983, 1991, 1993, 2010 were all much hotter summers. Along with 1995, 1999, and 2002. WX/PT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted 19 hours ago Share Posted 19 hours ago Just now, Wxoutlooksblog said: Along with 1995, 1999, and 2002. WX/PT Yes, those were the last ones with extended heatwaves. That NWS longest heatwaves page is a great guide to how our summers used to be. We didn't see extended heatwaves like that even in 2010 although it had the most 90 and 100 degree days I've seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dWave Posted 19 hours ago Share Posted 19 hours ago 5 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: They don't have the money to cut it huh? I still don't see that heatwave from 1953 or 1993 ever being equaled. 102 in September is absolutely unreal lol. It would take a microburst over Central Park taking out a bunch of trees. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wxoutlooksblog Posted 19 hours ago Share Posted 19 hours ago 7 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: They don't have the money to cut it huh? I still don't see that heatwave from 1953 or 1993 ever being equaled. 102 in September is absolutely unreal lol. I think it will probably happen again. WX/PT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted 12 hours ago Share Posted 12 hours ago 8 hours ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said: Yep, lots of rain recently. The issue just gets worse and worse every year as the instruments get further buried in foliage. Yeah, moving the ASOS into the shade in 1995 really skewed the values. In the roughly 30 year period since 1996 NYC has had only 461 days reaching 90 vs 817 days at Newark and 631 at LGA. The previous 30 year period from 1961 to 1990 featured 550 days in NYC with 689 at Newark and 410 at LGA. Harrison has become the new 90° day leader across the area surpassing Plainfield from 1961-1990. 1961-1990 # of 90 days EWR….689 NYC….550 LGA….410 1996-2024 #90 days EWR…817 LGA…631 NYC…461 Data for January 1, 1996 through December 31, 2024Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. NJ HARRISON COOP 871 NJ CANOE BROOK COOP 836 NJ NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 817 NJ TETERBORO AIRPORT WBAN 778 NY LAGUARDIA AIRPORT WBAN 631 NJ CALDWELL ESSEX COUNTY AP WBAN 589 NJ TETERBORO AIRPORT COOP 512 CT DANBURY COOP 498 NJ CRANFORD COOP 485 NY NY CITY CENTRAL PARK WBAN 461 Data for January 1, 1961 through December 31, 1990Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. NJ PLAINFIELD COOP 724 NJ NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 689 NY NEW YORK LAUREL HILL COOP 645 NJ LITTLE FALLS COOP 635 NY WEST POINT COOP 614 NY NY CITY CENTRAL PARK WBAN 550 NY NY WESTERLEIGH STAT IS COOP 536 NY SCARSDALE COOP 523 NJ CANOE BROOK COOP 521 NJ CRANFORD COOP 468 NJ ESSEX FELLS SERVICE BLDG COOP 455 NY DOBBS FERRY-ARDSLEY COOP 454 NJ WANAQUE RAYMOND DAM COOP 443 NY NEW YORK AVE V BROOKLYN COOP 438 NY LAGUARDIA AIRPORT WBAN 410 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundog Posted 12 hours ago Share Posted 12 hours ago 7 hours ago, FPizz said: Same with Newark. No difference in the ridiculousness. Huge actually since Newark wasn't moved from a forest to an airport. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve392 Posted 11 hours ago Share Posted 11 hours ago What an absolute stunning morning!!! Clear blue skies driving in, 50 degree with that nice crisp chill in the air. Gorgeous. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FPizz Posted 11 hours ago Share Posted 11 hours ago 1 hour ago, Sundog said: Huge actually since Newark wasn't moved from a forest to an airport. They run 2° too hot, nyc 2° too cold. Just average them to make yourself happy. Question though for you. What's the difference between solar shades that all official stations use vs natural shade? Aren't both in the shade? I know underneath the stations matter (concrete vs grass), but can't find much about why different types of shade matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted 10 hours ago Share Posted 10 hours ago 1 hour ago, bluewave said: Yeah, moving the ASOS into the shade in 1995 really skewed the values. In the roughly 30 year period since 1996 NYC has had only 461 days reaching 90 vs 817 days at Newark and 631 at LGA. The previous 30 year period from 1961 to 1990 featured 550 days in NYC with 689 at Newark and 410 at LGA. Harrison has become the new 90° day leader across the area surpassing Plainfield from 1961-1990. 1961-1990 # of 90 days EWR….689 NYC….550 LGA….410 1996-2024 #90 days EWR…817 LGA…631 NYC…461 Data for January 1, 1996 through December 31, 2024Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. NJ HARRISON COOP 871 NJ CANOE BROOK COOP 836 NJ NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 817 NJ TETERBORO AIRPORT WBAN 778 NY LAGUARDIA AIRPORT WBAN 631 NJ CALDWELL ESSEX COUNTY AP WBAN 589 NJ TETERBORO AIRPORT COOP 512 CT DANBURY COOP 498 NJ CRANFORD COOP 485 NY NY CITY CENTRAL PARK WBAN 461 Data for January 1, 1961 through December 31, 1990Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. NJ PLAINFIELD COOP 724 NJ NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 689 NY NEW YORK LAUREL HILL COOP 645 NJ LITTLE FALLS COOP 635 NY WEST POINT COOP 614 NY NY CITY CENTRAL PARK WBAN 550 NY NY WESTERLEIGH STAT IS COOP 536 NY SCARSDALE COOP 523 NJ CANOE BROOK COOP 521 NJ CRANFORD COOP 468 NJ ESSEX FELLS SERVICE BLDG COOP 455 NY DOBBS FERRY-ARDSLEY COOP 454 NJ WANAQUE RAYMOND DAM COOP 443 NY NEW YORK AVE V BROOKLYN COOP 438 NY LAGUARDIA AIRPORT WBAN 410 1999 and 2002 still had no problems getting extended heatwaves though. 2010 should have the record for most 90 degree days though, it was our hottest summer by a mile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted 10 hours ago Share Posted 10 hours ago 25 minutes ago, steve392 said: What an absolute stunning morning!!! Clear blue skies driving in, 50 degree with that nice crisp chill in the air. Gorgeous. the moon was gorgeous last night too!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted 10 hours ago Share Posted 10 hours ago 1 hour ago, bluewave said: Yeah, moving the ASOS into the shade in 1995 really skewed the values. In the roughly 30 year period since 1996 NYC has had only 461 days reaching 90 vs 817 days at Newark and 631 at LGA. The previous 30 year period from 1961 to 1990 featured 550 days in NYC with 689 at Newark and 410 at LGA. Harrison has become the new 90° day leader across the area surpassing Plainfield from 1961-1990. 1961-1990 # of 90 days EWR….689 NYC….550 LGA….410 1996-2024 #90 days EWR…817 LGA…631 NYC…461 Data for January 1, 1996 through December 31, 2024Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. NJ HARRISON COOP 871 NJ CANOE BROOK COOP 836 NJ NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 817 NJ TETERBORO AIRPORT WBAN 778 NY LAGUARDIA AIRPORT WBAN 631 NJ CALDWELL ESSEX COUNTY AP WBAN 589 NJ TETERBORO AIRPORT COOP 512 CT DANBURY COOP 498 NJ CRANFORD COOP 485 NY NY CITY CENTRAL PARK WBAN 461 Data for January 1, 1961 through December 31, 1990Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. NJ PLAINFIELD COOP 724 NJ NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 689 NY NEW YORK LAUREL HILL COOP 645 NJ LITTLE FALLS COOP 635 NY WEST POINT COOP 614 NY NY CITY CENTRAL PARK WBAN 550 NY NY WESTERLEIGH STAT IS COOP 536 NY SCARSDALE COOP 523 NJ CANOE BROOK COOP 521 NJ CRANFORD COOP 468 NJ ESSEX FELLS SERVICE BLDG COOP 455 NY DOBBS FERRY-ARDSLEY COOP 454 NJ WANAQUE RAYMOND DAM COOP 443 NY NEW YORK AVE V BROOKLYN COOP 438 NY LAGUARDIA AIRPORT WBAN 410 Chris if we just go decade by decade, and compare NYC, JFK, LGA AND EWR, how do they all compare for the following 10 year periods with average number of 90 degree days: 1980-1989 1990-1999 2000-2009 2010-2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWCCraig Posted 10 hours ago Share Posted 10 hours ago Little bit of elevated smoke from Canadian wildfires this morning. Thankfully not more 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongBeachSurfFreak Posted 10 hours ago Share Posted 10 hours ago 9 hours ago, LibertyBell said: They don't have the money to cut it huh? I still don't see that heatwave from 1953 or 1993 ever being equaled. 102 in September is absolutely unreal lol. It’s very difficult to cut anything in Central Park. It’s not run by the Parks Department like other NYC Parks. It’s run by the Central Park Conservatory. They receive millions upon millions of dollars in donations from some of the richest people in the world, so it’s not a money issue. I have a good friend who I worked with at Columbia/Barnard who was a gardener at cpk and said it’s incredibly corrupt. As far as the heatwave potential. Just look at the heat waves in the Pacific Northwest and France over the last few years. Major heat domes that crushed all time records by as much as 10 degrees. The 1953 heat wave was caused by a heat dome. If that same heat wave were to happen today the highest temp would likely be 105+. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_other_guy Posted 10 hours ago Share Posted 10 hours ago 2 hours ago, bluewave said: Yeah, moving the ASOS into the shade in 1995 really skewed the values. In the roughly 30 year period since 1996 NYC has had only 461 days reaching 90 vs 817 days at Newark and 631 at LGA. The previous 30 year period from 1961 to 1990 featured 550 days in NYC with 689 at Newark and 410 at LGA. Harrison has become the new 90° day leader across the area surpassing Plainfield from 1961-1990. 1961-1990 # of 90 days EWR….689 NYC….550 LGA….410 1996-2024 #90 days EWR…817 LGA…631 NYC…461 Data for January 1, 1996 through December 31, 2024Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. NJ HARRISON COOP 871 NJ CANOE BROOK COOP 836 NJ NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 817 NJ TETERBORO AIRPORT WBAN 778 NY LAGUARDIA AIRPORT WBAN 631 NJ CALDWELL ESSEX COUNTY AP WBAN 589 NJ TETERBORO AIRPORT COOP 512 CT DANBURY COOP 498 NJ CRANFORD COOP 485 NY NY CITY CENTRAL PARK WBAN 461 Data for January 1, 1961 through December 31, 1990Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. NJ PLAINFIELD COOP 724 NJ NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 689 NY NEW YORK LAUREL HILL COOP 645 NJ LITTLE FALLS COOP 635 NY WEST POINT COOP 614 NY NY CITY CENTRAL PARK WBAN 550 NY NY WESTERLEIGH STAT IS COOP 536 NY SCARSDALE COOP 523 NJ CANOE BROOK COOP 521 NJ CRANFORD COOP 468 NJ ESSEX FELLS SERVICE BLDG COOP 455 NY DOBBS FERRY-ARDSLEY COOP 454 NJ WANAQUE RAYMOND DAM COOP 443 NY NEW YORK AVE V BROOKLYN COOP 438 NY LAGUARDIA AIRPORT WBAN 410 I dont mean to rain on the foliage parade, but the outlier isnt CPK…it is LGA…by far EWR…19% increase LGA…53% increase CPK…13% increase The LaGuardia number is way out of whack with the other two. Central Park may be a little low. but the LaGuardia number and what’s going on out there is highly suspect in being accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted 9 hours ago Share Posted 9 hours ago 13 minutes ago, the_other_guy said: I dont mean to rain on the foliage parade, but the outlier isnt CPK…it is LGA…by far EWR…19% increase LGA…53% increase CPK…13% increase The LaGuardia number is way out of whack with the other two. Central Park may be a little low. but the LaGuardia number and what’s going on out there is highly suspect in being accurate. add JFK and it's even more apparent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted 9 hours ago Share Posted 9 hours ago 21 minutes ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said: It’s very difficult to cut anything in Central Park. It’s not run by the Parks Department like other NYC Parks. It’s run by the Central Park Conservatory. They receive millions upon millions of dollars of dollars in donations from some of the richest people in the world, so it’s not a money issue. I have a good friend who I worked with at Columbia/Barnard who was a gardener at cpk and said it’s incredibly corrupt. As far as the heatwave potential. Just look at the heat waves in the Pacific Northwest and France over the last few years. Major heat domes that crushed all time records by as much as 10 degrees. The 1953 heat wave was caused by a heat dome. If that same heat wave were to happen today the highest temp would likely be 105+. Why don't they just move the equipment to where it was in 1993 and prior? I would put it right in the middle of the Sheeps Meadow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve392 Posted 9 hours ago Share Posted 9 hours ago 40 minutes ago, TWCCraig said: Little bit of elevated smoke from Canadian wildfires this morning. Thankfully not more Where are this seasons fires already starting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongBeachSurfFreak Posted 9 hours ago Share Posted 9 hours ago 4 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: Why don't they just move the equipment to where it was in 1993 and prior? I would put it right in the middle of the Sheeps Meadow. The exact reasons I listed above. The global elite running a corrupt organization. They treat the park like their own backyard. The large enclosure for the instruments with fencing is unsightly. So deep in the trees is exactly where they want it, and exactly where it will stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundog Posted 9 hours ago Share Posted 9 hours ago 1 hour ago, FPizz said: They run 2° too hot, nyc 2° too cold. Just average them to make yourself happy. Question though for you. What's the difference between solar shades that all official stations use vs natural shade? Aren't both in the shade? I know underneath the stations matter (concrete vs grass), but can't find much about why different types of shade matter. Wouldn't being under a tree canopy mimic cloudy conditions/effects on the ASOS? There is a reason temps are in line with other stations until full leaf out occurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted 9 hours ago Share Posted 9 hours ago 6 minutes ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said: The exact reasons I listed above. The global elite running a corrupt organization. They treat the park like their own backyard. The large enclosure for the instruments with fencing is unsightly. So deep in the trees is exactly where they want it, and exactly where it will stay. But the instruments belong to the NWS no? They should be able to move them to wherever they want them to be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted 9 hours ago Share Posted 9 hours ago 7 minutes ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said: The exact reasons I listed above. The global elite running a corrupt organization. They treat the park like their own backyard. The large enclosure for the instruments with fencing is unsightly. So deep in the trees is exactly where they want it, and exactly where it will stay. ah they are worried about people stealing the instruments (hence the fences.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWCCraig Posted 9 hours ago Share Posted 9 hours ago 10 minutes ago, steve392 said: Where are this seasons fires already starting? Couple ongoing right now in Saskatchewan and Manitoba, this satellite pic was taken yesterday, fires circled in red, orange dots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundog Posted 9 hours ago Share Posted 9 hours ago 32 minutes ago, the_other_guy said: I dont mean to rain on the foliage parade, but the outlier isnt CPK…it is LGA…by far EWR…19% increase LGA…53% increase CPK…13% increase The LaGuardia number is way out of whack with the other two. Central Park may be a little low. but the LaGuardia number and what’s going on out there is highly suspect in being accurate. LGA is interesting. A few years ago I read that the max UHI effects are in Western Queens/Brooklyn and Manhattan. Since LGA is just west enough to be in that zone I guess it's gotten worse over the years? Their lows have gone through the roof as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongBeachSurfFreak Posted 9 hours ago Share Posted 9 hours ago 10 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: But the instruments belong to the NWS no? They should be able to move them to wherever they want them to be? Again Central Park isn’t like other parks in the city. It’s, its own entity run by the most powerful people on earth. They could care less about the NWS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundog Posted 9 hours ago Share Posted 9 hours ago 12 minutes ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said: Again Central Park isn’t like other parks in the city. It’s, its own entity run by the most powerful people on earth. They could care less about the NWS. If the NWS really wanted, can't they just trim back everything that is growing directly over the enclosure? It's better than nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACRUS Posted 9 hours ago Share Posted 9 hours ago 73 / 40 another beaut! today. Approaching or low 80s in the warm spots. Tomorrow a touch cooler with the clouds pushing in but still mid / upper 70s. Tue - Fri - cut off and unsettled with 1 - 2 inches in the forecast through May 16th. Beyond there timing looks to clear out by the weekend 17/18. Beyond mid month near normal - no sustained significant warmup or cool. Still think the progression get us much warmer to hot for a period in the final 10 days, other wise riding near normal overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Star Posted 9 hours ago Share Posted 9 hours ago 26 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: ah they are worried about people stealing the instruments (hence the fences.) It's NYC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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