New England snowstorm memories.

[tavwtby]

2 minutes ago, The 4 Seasons said:

it was almost an identical repeat of Jan 26-27th, 2015. Only this time expectations were much lower so it wasn't a huge bust and fiasco like Jan 15 was. 

yeah I think I still have the forecast from ALY for 2015 showing 24-30" for my area, had like 10 hours of sand...

[The 4 Seasons]

4 minutes ago, tavwtby said:

yeah I think I still have the forecast from ALY for 2015 showing 24-30" for my area, had like 10 hours of sand...

3-6" on a 20-30" is a bust of all busts, embarrassing. We all got bamboozled by the Euro/NAM

 

[tavwtby]

1 minute ago, The 4 Seasons said:

3-6" on a 20-30" is a bust of all busts, embarrassing. We all got bamboozled by the Euro/NAM

 

need one of these to ease the mind... that's my truck in there and my car in the background completely covered in 2013, that was such a crushing storm...

[The 4 Seasons]

1 minute ago, tavwtby said:

need one of these to ease the mind... that's my truck in there and my car in the background completely covered in 2013, that was such a crushing storm...

Far NW CT got screwed that storm, you were dangerously close to another ho-hum 11-12" event. 

[Baroclinic Zone]

I recall that 2017 Blizzard when I was in East Taunton. Buried. 20”. As stated before, I lost count of the number of big storms I’ve experienced since 2003. between Middleborough and East Taunton there had to have been about 10 storms 18”+.

[tavwtby]

2 minutes ago, The 4 Seasons said:

Far NW CT got screwed that storm, you were dangerously close to another ho-hum 11-12" event. 

i was in Waterbury that winter so 32" was the most I've ever seen in one snowfall 

[The 4 Seasons]

5 minutes ago, Baroclinic Zone said:

I recall that 2017 Blizzard when I was in East Taunton. Buried. 20”. As stated before, I lost count of the number of big storms I’ve experienced since 2003. between Middleborough and East Taunton there had to have been about 10 storms 18”+.

lucky you, theres been 2 here in the last 30 years, and i missed both of them. 2011 and 2013 were it for 18+ storms since 1996. 2003 PDII was close around 16-18", missed that one too i was in Italy for a class trip...so pissed. 

[codfishsnowman]

10 hours ago, The 4 Seasons said:

lucky you, theres been 2 here in the last 30 years, and i missed both of them. 2011 and 2013 were it for 18+ storms since 1996. 2003 PDII was close around 16-18", missed that one too i was in Italy for a class trip...so pissed. 

I was only about six to eight miles west of a solid foot. I recorded eight inches total which included about an inch and a half ull stuff Mon night. Average forecast around here was 18-20 inches.

I would've been ok with a foot and a few hours of heavy falling snow with decent growth.

 

 

 

[ORH_wxman]

15 hours ago, Baroclinic Zone said:

I recall that 2017 Blizzard when I was in East Taunton. Buried. 20”. As stated before, I lost count of the number of big storms I’ve experienced since 2003. between Middleborough and East Taunton there had to have been about 10 storms 18”+.

SE MA cleaned up unbelievably in that 15 year stretch....they were easily the most AN for snowfall anywhere in New England during that timeframe. They are a decent spot for big storms already, but those years just went crazy bonkers with the frequency of biggies. 

[CoastalWx]

17 hours ago, The 4 Seasons said:

it was almost an identical repeat of Jan 26-27th, 2015. Only this time expectations were much lower so it wasn't a huge bust and fiasco like Jan 15 was. 

There is something about that Rhode Island semi Snow hole. I’ve seen it in too many storms. I know someone will come back and say blah blah Blizzard of 78… But there’s been enough of those for me to think it might be almost a climatological standing wave issue where perhaps they are somewhat always in the sub zone.

[SouthCoastMA]

8 minutes ago, CoastalWx said:

There is something about that Rhode Island semi Snow hole. I’ve seen it in too many storms. I know someone will come back and say blah blah Blizzard of 78… But there’s been enough of those for me to think it might be almost a climatological standing wave issue where perhaps they are somewhat always in the sub zone.

The Accordion/Attlehole area. Someone should do some research on that, would be interesting 

[The 4 Seasons]

9 minutes ago, CoastalWx said:

There is something about that Rhode Island semi Snow hole. I’ve seen it in too many storms. I know someone will come back and say blah blah Blizzard of 78… But there’s been enough of those for me to think it might be almost a climatological standing wave issue where perhaps they are somewhat always in the sub zone.

Yeah theres a lot of examples of that. You can even see it this season in some lesser events over RI/Prov area/Western SE MA

[CoastalWx]

4 minutes ago, The 4 Seasons said:

Yeah theres a lot of examples of that. You can even see it this season in some lesser events over RI/Prov area/Western SE MA

Yeah sometimes it extends there, but I notice it more in the larger events with strong erly to nerly flow. 
 

i’m trying to take out any recent confirmation bias in my head… But there might be a meteorological reason too.

[Ginx snewx]

1 hour ago, CoastalWx said:

There is something about that Rhode Island semi Snow hole. I’ve seen it in too many storms. I know someone will come back and say blah blah Blizzard of 78… But there’s been enough of those for me to think it might be almost a climatological standing wave issue where perhaps they are somewhat always in the sub zone.

Thats the marine layer or coastal front. ERI is very susceptible to sleet and poor snowgrowth. Other than March 18 that is the reason you see drop off

[tamarack]

19 hours ago, tavwtby said:

yeah I think I still have the forecast from ALY for 2015 showing 24-30" for my area, had like 10 hours of sand...

Had 20" of 9:1 cold sand at single digits from that storm, one of only 4 events (27 winters) to meet blizzard conditions here in the sheltered woods.  Unfortunately, I never saw a flake at home - was with family in SNJ, where the forecast 12-16" verified at 1.5", all of which was gone 4 hours from final flakes.  3rd of 4 times that winter that warned storms verified at 1/8 (or less) of the low end of the forecast range.  Got to shovel it all, however, getting home about 12 hours after it ended.

 

[Ginx snewx]

1 hour ago, The 4 Seasons said:

Yeah theres a lot of examples of that. You can even see it this season in some lesser events over RI/Prov area/Western SE MA

All this year events were shredded by the time the reached RI.  I looked thru all your historical snows over 12 inches and there isn't many standing wave issues. Also seasonal shows exactly what influence the big pond has. Western CT has buffer.

[The 4 Seasons]

3 minutes ago, Ginx snewx said:

All this year events were shredded by the time the reached RI.  I looked thru all your historical snows over 12 inches and there isn't many standing wave issues. Also seasonal shows exactly what influence the big pond has. Western CT has buffer.

Thats true but theres still a noticeable hole. I dont think it means anything but its interesting to see how that area keeps getting screwed. 

 

Yeah, i just did the same thing, looking back at 12"+ events for SNE. It's actually not as bad as i thought it would be, there's many RI crushers...actually in the past 10-15 years, that area certainly got more crush jobs than anywhere WOR

[Ginx snewx]

38 minutes ago, The 4 Seasons said:

Thats true but theres still a noticeable hole. I dont think it means anything but its interesting to see how that area keeps getting screwed. 

 

Yeah, i just did the same thing, looking back at 12"+ events for SNE. It's actually not as bad as i thought it would be, there's many RI crushers...actually in the past 10-15 years, that area certainly got more crush jobs than anywhere WOR

Yes sir. I worked as an intern with the RI state climatologist and was really educated on RI climate. Another reason you see some bigger totals in SE Mass during dying clippers is often OES follows in EMA

[ma blizzard]

March '13 is probably the most egregious example of this 

[The 4 Seasons]

3 minutes ago, ma blizzard said:

March '13 is probably the most egregious example of this 

Yeah i was just looking at the radar loop and it's like hitting a wall at the RI/MA boarder. 

That was a very anomalous event overall. 

https://www.jdjweatherconsulting.com/mar-7-8-2013

 

[Ginx snewx]

56 minutes ago, The 4 Seasons said:

Yeah i was just looking at the radar loop and it's like hitting a wall at the RI/MA boarder. 

That was a very anomalous event overall. 

https://www.jdjweatherconsulting.com/mar-7-8-2013

 

The pulses of winds aloft then descending during that storm were insane. I believe that led to the hole in RI all that air rose over EMA sunk and dried quickly in RI then rose and as quickly condensed in CT. Probably one of the most anomalous storms of my life. I mean 14 here while 4 just 3 miles to my east which is over 750 feet altitude and usually gets more than me on 850 east flows.

[CoastalWx]

It’s not necessarily from a CF. I mentioned I noticed it in big time erly flow events. There is a meteorological reason there.

[ORH_wxman]

7 minutes ago, CoastalWx said:

It’s not necessarily from a CF. I mentioned I noticed it in big time erly flow events. There is a meteorological reason there.

On deep layer easterly flow events, you’ll get initial land convergence in SE MA with a slight elevation rise too in interior SE MA but then it goes back down into E RI before you get the bigger upslope into NW RI and far NE CT. I wonder if absent any midlevel enhancement, they just get stuck in subsidence between the land convergence/slight upslope in interior SE MA and the upslope further west.  

[CoastalWx]

12 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said:

On deep layer easterly flow events, you’ll get initial land convergence in SE MA with a slight elevation rise too in interior SE MA but then it goes back down into E RI before you get the bigger upslope into NW RI and far NE CT. I wonder if absent any midlevel enhancement, they just get stuck in subsidence between the land convergence/slight upslope in interior SE MA and the upslope further west.  

That’s what I think. Even with Ne flow you see it.  But I think that holds weight because you don’t see it in smaller events or WAA type deals where 850 winds are SE-S.  
 

 

[CoastalWx]

And yeah that 2017 event was great. I know N and W of BOS roll their eyes, but I enjoyed it. 

[dendrite]

Accordion effect

[Ginx snewx]

7 hours ago, Ginx snewx said:

The pulses of winds aloft then descending during that storm were insane. I believe that led to the hole in RI all that air rose over EMA sunk and dried quickly in RI then rose and as quickly condensed in CT. Probably one of the most anomalous storms of my life. I mean 14 here while 4 just 3 miles to my east which is over 750 feet altitude and usually gets more than me on 850 east flows.

 

3 hours ago, ORH_wxman said:

On deep layer easterly flow events, you’ll get initial land convergence in SE MA with a slight elevation rise too in interior SE MA but then it goes back down into E RI before you get the bigger upslope into NW RI and far NE CT. I wonder if absent any midlevel enhancement, they just get stuck in subsidence between the land convergence/slight upslope in interior SE MA and the upslope further west.  

Same

[Ginx snewx]

3 hours ago, CoastalWx said:

It’s not necessarily from a CF. I mentioned I noticed it in big time erly flow events. There is a meteorological reason there.

Read my post right above yours