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23 minutes ago, Itstrainingtime said:

MDT got down to 69? Good for them, LOL...my low was 70! :( 

Oops... :lol:

21 minutes ago, Itstrainingtime said:

Cold, clear winter nights...York city is probably +8 while the airport reading is -11. You're absolutely right...

THV has been on occasion the 2nd coldest airport in the state behind Bradford on those kind of nights. 

I've noticed many times during winter, checking the regional weather obs from CTP, that York is often the coldest reading in the region, including my location. Do they sit in a valley? My employer's shop does, and it's usually the coldest location in the local area.

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29 minutes ago, Voyager said:

Oops... :lol:

I've noticed many times during winter, checking the regional weather obs from CTP, that York is often the coldest reading in the region, including my location. Do they sit in a valley? My employer's shop does, and it's usually the coldest location in the local area.

Little known fact: That radar sensor is actually in @Itstrainingtime's home so it's a combo of a winter night plus his A/C cranking. 

(Real answer: Yeah, it's iirc the lowest point in all of York County actually)

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5 minutes ago, Itstrainingtime said:

So far, full sun here...she's cooking...

I say that, but there is a nice breeze. It doesn't feel that bad at all outside. 

Very breezy here as well.  And DP's are in the upper 60's so not as bad as it could be.  Not great though.  Down to 74 now.  Looks like S/E PA is the only area not fairly cloudy and/or hazy right now.

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6 minutes ago, Itstrainingtime said:

The 84 on that map...is literally 1 mile down the road from me. 

84.4 here now...was 83.7 when I last reported the 84 reading. 

Those wundermaps always back up your readings.  You are just high compared to most readings at noon (Canderson does not count if he is in the concrete jungle).   You have in county temps 5  degrees lower with no rain.   As you can tell this strange heat phenomena is intriguing to me. 

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4 minutes ago, Bubbler86 said:

Those wundermaps always back up your readings.  You are just high compared to most readings at noon (Canderson does not count if he is in the concrete jungle).   You have in county temps 5  degrees lower with no rain.   As you can tell this strange heat phenomena is intriguing to me. 

It's intriguing to me as well - you would not think of my area as a heat island in any way whatsoever...not sure why this has been happening repeatedly. 

Nut just posted an 80 in Elizabethtown - much more urban area than mine, just a few miles up the road, and yet somewhat significantly cooler. E-town is at a higher elevation, but not THAT much. 

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Classic UHI just after sunset. It gets clearer and clearer that MDT is just a bad place to take observations. 

The ideal solution which is not expensive is to place 4 or 5 automated stations within a 10 mile radius of airport observations, and include their observations in a probabilistic model to come up with a 95% probability interval of actual temperatures within that radius which can expand outward based upon confidence in reporting stations for a larger square mile radius. But hell if I know how to communicate that with a public that doesn’t know mean or median. I can’t imagine an instant where any branch of government actually had the forward looking perspective and discipline to plan putting all weather stations in UHI due to my time working in what is arguably the most important government function, revenue. Incompetence is the rule that seems to be golden.


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