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MO/KS/AR/OK 2019-2020 Winter Wonderland Discussion


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GFS is way north also. Might see some mix around here, but that is most likely about it. Several days out and plenty of time to change, but with 5 straight years of misses on our side, I don't see any reason to believe this one will be different. 

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15 minutes ago, MUWX said:

GFS is way north also. Might see some mix around here, but that is most likely about it. Several days out and plenty of time to change, but with 5 straight years of misses on our side, I don't see any reason to believe this one will be different. 

I'm with you 100%.  We never cash in well on deformation snows here in NWA.  It'll be KC or STL.

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1 minute ago, lokee said:

00z GFS still pushing everything up into  Kansas. 

Pretty similar to the 18z. All north. Has been the trend for the last 5 years. Going with persistence forecasting with this one. Expect the same result, until something proves otherwise. 

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18 minutes ago, StormChazer said:

Thinking maybe this GFS run is shifting towards the Euro.

 

Edit: Just barely a touch south from the previous run, no real major difference. The GFS doesn't think the deformation band sets up in OK, it's further Northeast in MO.

Yeah, still not closing it off. We probably need a closed off system passing to our south to sling moisture/cold back.

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17 minutes ago, StormChazer said:

Thinking maybe this GFS run is shifting towards the Euro.

 

Edit: Just barely a touch south from the previous run, no real major difference. The GFS doesn't think the deformation band sets up in OK, it's further Northeast in MO.

I think we all agree that leaning towards the Euro is always the best bet this far out.  This time the Euro happens to be in our favor.  

Let’s hope the 12z Euro stays the course.  

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TSA's thought's on it via 3:00AM discussion this morning.

"Now for the icing on the cake. Colder temperatures will filter
into the region Friday night into Saturday behind the advancing
front. Meanwhile, looking aloft, the aforementioned shortwave
trough and embedded PV max are expected to track northeast right
across the region on Saturday. The ECMWF has been very consistent
in developing a wrap-around SW to NE oriented band of
precipitation along the mid level deformation zone north of the
PV max across northeast Oklahoma into northwest Arkansas. Cooling
thermal profiles suggest a transition to a wintry mix across
northeast Oklahoma and northwest Arkansas before changing over to
all snow by midday. Again, the ECMWF has a few tenths of an inch
of qpf along the wrap-around band where the thermal profiles favor
wintry precip. The GFS shows a similar idea but has the band
farther north across eastern KS into MO. We are still several days
away from the event and the exact details will likely change, but
the possibility of impactful wintry weather Friday night into
Saturday is gradually increasing."
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4 minutes ago, The Waterboy said:

I think we all agree that leaning towards the Euro is always the best bet this far out.  This time the Euro happens to be in our favor.  

Let’s hope the 12z Euro stays the course.  

I had all but talked myself down before the midnight run last night, accepting that I'd likely see the Euro change it's mind, and not to get all sad. But it stayed the course, now we wait and see if the noon run keeps the dream alive.

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Man, this forecast is teetering on the edge. System needs to close off/neg tilt. But if it does it too soon, then you get the 12z Canadian depiction which takes the frozen precip west and north. If it is too progressive and doesn't start until it gets east of us, then you get the 12z GFS depiction. And then there's the 12z Euro which is close... if it's just a bit farther SE, then we'd all be good.....

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