Superstorm Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 And being relatively mild, people have doubts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmsptwx Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Yea, 41 here with a SE wind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canderson Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 I would not bash them because they have their internal criteria, but the general public is pretty weather illiterate and if raising headlines can keep fools off the roads and make people second guess travel plans a little, then I'm all for it.The general public watches TV to hear what the mets say. CTP has no deadline to launch watches - anything under 6" isn't a WSW. 5 and 7" isn't making or breaking anyone's ability to drive here - they can't drive in 3". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllWeather Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 No they don't lol. I agree. Storms that fall on Monday's are notoriously a "surprise" for many people. On Friday, my station had "chance snow" in the forecast for Monday, so people who tune in only during the weekday saw that. Over the course of 48 hours our "chance snow" went to warning-level snows for some, so people waking up tomorrow morning will likely be in for a surprise. Upgrading an advisory to a warning won't help those that are already tuned out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-83 BLIZZARD Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 I don't think anyone should be bashing them, even red-taggers. There are some incredibly smart and insightful mets working up there. They have made a choice on which solution to follow, and they have their reasons for doing so. We may not all agree, but that's what makes this profession awesome...there is no right answer until after the storm has passed. THIS! Even if all models say we will get a huge hit does not mean we will. Nevertheless, It appears that travel will be severely impeded and headlines cannot hurt indicating the potential for a very dangerous travel situation, more than just a nuisance. If the info is out there early enough the media will pick up on it and people will understand what is on the table much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Yea, 41 here with a SE wind. Try 52 where I am now and what dirty snow piles are left are disappearing faster than OxyClean can get a stain out from your shirt. One thing I miss about State College weatherwise is how cold air can last where you guys are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmsptwx Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 When are the temps supposed to crash? I was on a ride in N. Lycoming Co. and car therm still in upper 30s even there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternUSWX Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 The general public watches TV to hear what the mets say. CTP has no deadline to launch watches - anything under 6" isn't a WSW. 5 and 7" isn't making or breaking anyone's ability to drive here - they can't drive in sunshine. Fixed that for ya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllWeather Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 THIS! Even if all models say we will get a huge hit does not mean we will. Nevertheless, It appears that travel will be severely impeded and headlines cannot hurt indicating the potential for a very dangerous travel situation, more than just a nuisance. If the info is out there early enough the media will pick up on it and people will understand what is on the table much better. Unfortunately, I think today is a special case. Superbowl Sunday tends to put a kink in getting the message out there....that is, unless the local FOX station runs crawls or has a bug in the corner of the screen. However, that would make SO many people angry, so I doubt it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NortheastPAWx Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Try 52 where I am now and what dirty snow piles are left are disappearing faster than OxyClean can get a stain out from your shirt. One thing I miss about State College weatherwise is how cold air can last where you guys are. Not like we're in an icebox, it's 45 here (Walker). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternUSWX Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 When are the temps supposed to crash? I was on a ride in N. Lycoming Co. and car therm still in upper 30s even there. 37 back in Pitt so looks like the front is back there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexP Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 I agree. Storms that fall on Monday's are notoriously a "surprise" for many people. On Friday, my station had "chance snow" in the forecast for Monday, so people who tune in only during the weekday saw that. Over the course of 48 hours our "chance snow" went to warning-level snows for some, so people waking up tomorrow morning will likely be in for a surprise. Upgrading an advisory to a warning won't help those that are already tuned out. So true. On Friday afternoon everybody was talking about the rumors of next week's 30-inch blizzard they heard about on facebook.. Nobody was talking about Monday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-83 BLIZZARD Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 The general public watches TV to hear what the mets say. CTP has no deadline to launch watches - anything under 6" isn't a WSW. 5 and 7" isn't making or breaking anyone's ability to drive here - they can't drive in 3". I don't know about up there, but from here into MD people are crazy on the roads. I have had plenty 5-6 hour commutes due to snow. In the Baltimore area at least I have come across too many people who take the view that "it won't be nothing", just to flood the roads ground truth time and create utter gridlock and accidents galore. If they think it might be significant it truly helps clear the roads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternUSWX Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 If this doesn't prompt warnings, nothing will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superstorm Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 I think it also goes back to the whole fact that they'd rather be conservative because people will be more upset if they predict a foot of snow and we end up with only an inch after they cancelled all their plans. Plus there is still plenty of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-83 BLIZZARD Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Unfortunately, I think today is a special case. Superbowl Sunday tends to put a kink in getting the message out there....that is, unless the local FOX station runs crawls or has a bug in the corner of the screen. However, that would make SO many people angry, so I doubt it happens. You are right, but radio also helps. DJ'S will run to the mic and say this just in" Winter Storm Warning" or Watch. In the Baltimore market at least that is the first thing many harp on is the NWS message. Most of us here don't care but it does have an impact on those who could care less about anything weather related until they are stuck in it. You of course are better than most TV weather reporters. I like the way you lay things out and if more were like you showing scenarios etc., there would be less confusion about the potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NortheastPAWx Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 I think maybe CTP would be best doubling up for 80 north - WWA Monday, WSW for Wednesday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallow Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 I'm really liking radar trends so far. Still early, but things are looking good for everyone in South Central PA, and possibly even as far north as State College (and even Williamsport!?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexP Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 You are right, but radio also helps. DJ'S will run to the mic and say this just in" Winter Storm Warning" or Watch. In the Baltimore market at least that is the first thing many harp on is the NWS message. Most of us here don't care but it does have an impact on those who could care less about anything weather related until they are stuck in it. You of course are better than most TV weather reporters. I like the way you lay things out and if more were like you showing scenarios etc., there would be less confusion about the potential. Speaking as someone who works in the radio biz, I can confirm that most radio stations in smaller markets like Harrisburg have NO live personalities on weekends anymore. All breaking news has to wait until Monday morning. The Emergency Alert System is designed to override programming in the event of a serious emergency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-83 BLIZZARD Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Ellinwood is bullish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternUSWX Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 51 now and 30 and heavy snow in 14 hours. Got to love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Not like we're in an icebox, it's 45 here (Walker). Ehh, a coastal front can come by us and make it go from 25 to 45 in 2 hours (happened in the Dec 15 storm here). My snow average isn't much less than NYC's but it can disappear really quick. One good thing about 33 and rain is it doesn't destroy the snowpack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAG5035 Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 If this doesn't prompt warnings, nothing will. Man thats a tight gradient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcfox1 Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Speaking of NWS anyone remember the year they closed the Harrisburg office and moved everything to state college. I was young. I think it was in the 80's. News made a big deal about how it would effect forecast in the LSV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2001kx Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Ellinwood is bullish. right on the 0" line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternUSWX Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Boom. Sref now an 8" avg MD line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallow Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 right on the 0" line It's okay, you'll probably be all snow on Wednesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternUSWX Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 NAM is north and juiced! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Boom. Sref now an 8" avg MD line. PA Turnpike south seems good for now. These usually trend north at the last second though, so maybe up to State College can get in on it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NortheastPAWx Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 I'm really liking radar trends so far. Still early, but things are looking good for everyone in South Central PA, and possibly even as far north as State College (and even Williamsport!?). Heh, don't get us excited too much Mr. Red Tagger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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