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December 21-22nd Winter Storm Part 3


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Yeah GFS similar to last night's 00z run, with a slightly weaker deformation zone. 

 

First stab at amounts for here and the QC is 3-6".  Think we're gonna ride the line tomorrow evening with a mix of everything until about midnight.  I'm thinking the best snows fall on the Iowa side, where a nice 4-8 band should set up.  Hawkeye up to Madison looking golden. 

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Right in line with the RGEM.

The GGEM has been very consistent on its ice storm picture for the GTA amongst all the other models which have shown virtually every situation thats possible. Consensus is growing for a major ice storm this weekend across the region.

Surface temps on last night's Euro and today's 12z GFS remain below freezing the entire duration while 850mb temps remain above. I believe we may perhaps have some light SN/PL to begin with, before it quickly transitions over to ZR.

People should prepare NOW before they regret it later.

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Environment Canada still pretty shy on ice potential:

 

 

City of Toronto
10:27 AM EST Friday 20 December 2013
Special weather statement for
City of Toronto continued

A tale of two winter storms.

A winter storm from Texas has caused an area of mixed precipitation to spread into Southern Ontario as expected.

Over Southwestern Ontario precipitation will be mainly in the form of rain. General rainfall amounts near 10 mm are expected by tonight with up to 25 mm in a few locales.

In a band from Southern Lake Huron through the Greater Toronto area and eastward to Kingston, periods of freezing rain are occurring as expected. Please refer to the freezing rain warning which has been posted for those locales. Freezing rain warnings also are in effect in the St. Lawrence Valley.

Further north from Northern Lake Huron through Barrie and east of Georgian Bay to the Ottawa Valley, precipitation will be mainly in the form of snow. Total amounts are forecast to average near 10 cm over these regions today. The snow could change to periods of freezing rain in some places later today and tonight.

After a break Saturday, another more potent winter storm from the United States will approach Southern Ontario late Saturday. An ice storm will be possible across a large swath of Southern Ontario, with significant rainfall likely near Lake Erie and significant snowfall and ice pellets from Northern Lake Huron to the Ottawa Valley.

There is still uncertainty surrounding the exact position of the storm track. Any change in the storm centre's track will affect precipitation amounts and type. However, it is very likely that holiday travel will be significantly impacted.

Travellers should be prepared for dangerous winter travelling conditions. Untreated roads and sidewalks may become icy and very slippery especially in areas that receive extended periods of freezing rain. Power outages may also be an issue to deal with. We continue to recommend watching future forecasts and taking the necessary precautions.

Environment Canada will continue to monitor this evolving situation and will issue further warnings as necessary.

Please monitor the latest forecasts and warnings from Environment Canada at www.weatheroffice.gc.ca

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Well, I held out as long as I could, hoping against hope it would change, and at least put some snow down.  Even if snow falls it's going to be cement, with all of the rain, it's going to be just what I called it at first:  A sloppy mess.

 

Punting. 

 

See ya on the next one.  

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The GGEM has been very consistent on its ice storm picture for the GTA amongst all the other models which have shown virtually every situation thats possible. Consensus is growing for a major ice storm this weekend across the region.

Surface temps on last night's Euro and today's 12z GFS remain below freezing the entire duration while 850mb temps remain above. I believe we may perhaps have some light SN/PL to begin with, before it quickly transitions over to ZR.

People should prepare NOW before they regret it later.

Harold Hosein of 680 News is calling for plain rain on Saturday evening as temperatures rise to +3 Celsius.
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For zip code 61471:

A WINTER STORM WILL IMPACT THE ENTIRE AREA SATURDAY NIGHT ANDSUNDAY. A COMBINATION OF HEAVY SNOW...SLEET...BLOWING SNOW... ANDSOME FREEZING RAIN WILL LIKELY CAUSE DANGEROUS TRAVEL CONDITIONSOVER THE AREA. SNOW AMOUNTS ARE EXPECTED TO RANGE FROM 4 TO8 INCHES IN EAST CENTRAL IOWA AND NORTHWEST ILLINOIS...TO LESSTHAN 4 INCHES IN SOUTHEASTERN IOWA...WEST CENTRAL ILLINOIS ANDNORTHEAST MISSOURI. THESE LOCATIONS WITH LOWER AMOUNTS OF SNOWWILL ALSO SEE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF SLEET AND FREEZING RAIN.IAZ099-ILZ018-025-026-034-035-MOZ010-202300-/O.CON.KDVN.WS.A.0009.131222T0000Z-131223T0000Z/LEE-PUTNAM-HENDERSON-WARREN-HANCOCK-MCDONOUGH-CLARK-INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...FORT MADISON...HENNEPIN...OQUAWKA...MONMOUTH...CARTHAGE...MACOMB...KAHOKA900 AM CST FRI DEC 20 2013...WINTER STORM WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM SATURDAY EVENINGTHROUGH SUNDAY AFTERNOON...* TIMING...A MIX OF SLEET...AND FREEZING RAIN WILL BE ONGOING  SATURDAY EVENING...CHANGING TO ALL SNOW LATE SATURDAY NIGHT  THROUGH SUNDAY.* SNOW ACCUMULATIONS...2 TO 5 INCHES WITH UP TO 1 INCH OF SLEET  POSSIBLE.* ICE ACCUMULATIONS...UP TO A QUARTER INCH DUE TO FREEZING RAIN  SATURDAY AFTERNOON AND EVENING.* WINDS...NORTH 15 TO 20 MPH WITH GUSTS UP TO 30 MPH.* VISIBILITIES...LESS THAN ONE HALF MILE AT TIMES DUE TO SNOW  AND BLOWING SNOW LATE SATURDAY NIGHT AND SUNDAY MORNING.* IMPACTS...WIDESPREAD DANGEROUS TRAVEL CONDITIONS ARE POSSIBLE  SATURDAY NIGHT AND SUNDAY.

^^^Come on! This is crap -.-

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12Z RGEM ice for Southern ON. Believable solution with the EURO supporting it. 40-50mm IMBY :axe:

Looks rough for Michigan as well.

 

Ice storm warnings have been issued by BUF at the eastern edge of their CWA, mentioning an inch of ice possible. Hopefully Environment Canada will fall in line and get something out in the 3:30 update.

 

 

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Interesting temperature and precip type scenarios for Buffalo Metro in this storm. Buffalo NWS has issued a Winter Storm Watch for Northern Erie and Niagara. looking at the temps its not out of the possibility for North Buffalo to get an Ice Storm and temperatures in the low 30s and the south towns gets rain and temperatures approaching 50. Thats a nightmare to forecast since between those two locations its only 40 miles 

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Interesting temperature and precip type scenarios for Buffalo Metro in this storm. Buffalo NWS has issued a Winter Storm Watch for Northern Erie and Niagara. looking at the temps its not out of the possibility for North Buffalo to get an Ice Storm and temperatures in the low 30s and the south towns gets rain and temperatures approaching 50. Thats a nightmare to forecast since between those two locations its only 40 miles 

 

AFAIA east winds off the Adironacks are a warming wind for WNY south of the escarpment. North of it, the escarpment acts as the same cold air dam as it does for us but with the winds right off Lk Ontario there may be another pocket of warmth right along the lakeshore.

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That would be interesting. I have just plain rain falling currently. Do you live along the lake in Oakville as well? 

 

I live in north Oakville along Dundas. Keeps a bit of the lake influence out.

 

EDIT: Should mention above graphic is contaminated by today's ZR but I compared them and the difference is marginal. Most of the ZR on the map is a result of tomorrow night's system.

 

EDIT2: Sorry if I appear to be weenie-ing out on this storm. Freezing rain is pretty exhilarating for me, really gets the adrenaline rushing. What a fascinating meteorological phenomena. I suppose its entirely possible the low end solutions could still pan out. Trying to keep myself in check!

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MODEL DIAGNOSTIC DISCUSSION
NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD
1155 AM EST FRI DEC 20 2013

VALID DEC 20/1200 UTC THRU DEC 24/0000 UTC

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12Z NAM/GFS EVALUATION AND PRELIMINARY PREFERENCES
==================================================
NAM/GFS INITIALIZATION ERRORS DO NOT APPEAR TO
SIGNIFICANTLY AFFECT THEIR LARGE SCALE OUTPUT.
==================================================

...CYCLONE AFFECTING THE CENTRAL AND EASTERN U.S...

PREFERENCE: BLEND OF 12Z GFS/00Z ECMWF

THIS SYSTEM WILL PRESENT A VARIETY OF HAZARDOUS WEATHER AS LOW
PRESSURE DEEPENS OVER TX/AR AND MOVES TOWARD THE GREAT LAKES AND
NEW ENGLAND. THE 00Z GFS SOLUTION HAD BEEN SOMEWHAT SLOW AND
SUPPRESSED TO THE SOUTH IN THE LOWER LEVELS. THE 12Z RUN TRENDED
TOWARD THE PREFERRED 00Z ECMWF/UKMET SOLUTIONS. THE UKMET IS
REMOVED FROM OUR PREFERENCE ONLY BECAUSE ON DAY 3 IT HANGS UP THE
TRAILING COLD FRONT ALONG THE SPINE OF THE APPALACHIANS RATHER
THAN SPILLING IT OVER TOWARD THE COAST OF THE MID ATLANTIC AND THE
CAROLINAS. THE GFS/ECMWF AND THEIR ENSEMBLES SUPPORT A CONTINUED
EASTWARD MOVEMENT OF THE FRONT AS THE LONGWAVE REMAINS PROGRESSIVE.

THROUGH MUCH OF DAY 1 THE NAM CLUSTERS WELL WITH THE PREFERRED
SOLUTIONS. IT DOES BECOME SLIGHTLY FAST AT THE SURFACE BY
22/00Z...AND BUILDS SHORTWAVE RIDGING A LITTLE FARTHER
NORTH...CAUSING THE WARM FRONT TO FORM NORTH OF THE MODEL
CONSENSUS  IN THE EASTERN GREAT LAKES/OHIO VALLEY. THEREAFTER THE
NAM IS ON THE NORTH SIDE AND SLIGHTLY FAST SIDE OF THE
GUIDANCE...TWO ASPECTS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH BIASES IN THAT
MODEL. ALTHOUGH THE NAM MAY BE USEFUL IN SPOTS...THE GLOBAL MODELS
ARE PREFERRED WHEREVER THERE ARE DIFFERENCES.


...NORTHERN STREAM TROUGH OVER THE NORTHERN PLAINS/UPPER MIDWEST
SUN AND MON...

PREFERENCE: BLEND OF 12Z GFS/00Z UKMET...SUPPORTED BY THE 06Z GEFS
MEAN

IN THE NORTHERN STREAM THE GFS AND UKMET ARE BEST SYNCED WITH THE
ENSEMBLE MEANS...WHICH HAVE THEMSELVES BEEN STEADY OVER THE PAST
FEW RUNS. THE 00Z ECMWF APPEARED TOO FAST WITH THE PACIFIC SYSTEM
DISCUSSED IN THE NEXT SECTION...WHICH...IN TURN...KICKS THE
NORTHERN STREAM TROUGH OVER THE NORTHERN PLAINS/UPPER MIDWEST.
THIS RESULTS IN A FLAT/PROGRESSIVE APPEARANCE RELATIVE TO THE
GFS/UKMET. THE NAM HAS BEEN CONSISTENTLY ONE OF THE DEEPEST AND
COLDEST SOLUTIONS IN THE NORTHERN U.S...AND IT HAS LITTLE SUPPORT.
THE GEFS MEAN IS REASONABLE AND SLIGHTLY COLDER THAN THE
GFS/UKMET.

 

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