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Now that I've seen the new 12z ECMWF, it is clustered within the consensus speed (at least the operational), so we must account for the GFS being a little bit slow. This could affect how Saturday plays out, which ultimately affects where differentials/gradients may reside from overnight/morning convection.

I think your area is sitting pretty at the moment, along with SW IA / W MO / SE NE. The slightly quicker timing will also help with your hodos up that way on Sunday. The GFS's slower timing would slightly tamper with them, delaying improvement past peak heating. The faster speed and slight veered low-level winds could make the OKC area not the best location. I'm also not comfortable forecasting last-minute improvement in low-level fields as the next wave moves in from the West and pressures lower. In other words, how will convection down this way manifest/behave as these conditions change?

I'm just trying to answer "best" ...clearly all areas have tornadic potential.

Definitely agree with this. My concern with the overall potential under the faster solution is with the trough bumping up against downstream ridging, giving very meridional flow over areas like NE KS into IA. In the event that OK and S KS stay capped (most likely due to veered low levels), I wouldn't be surprised to see the day as a whole underwhelm.
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Also, FWIW, the CIPS analogs for the 00z GFS (for Sunday) was a variable smorgasbord of tornado events (I'm sure there's others that I'm not recognizing as well).

 

http://www.eas.slu.edu/CIPS/ANALOG/stats.php?reg=SP&model=GFS212&fhr=F096&flg=

 

1. 00z May 23rd, 2004

3. 00z May 30th, 2004

5. 00z June 14th, 2001

6. 00z May 23rd, 1981

9. 00z June 16th, 1992

10. 00z June 6th, 2008

11. 00z June 8th, 1984

13. 00z May 16th, 1990

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You guys are awesome, thanks. Another question if you don't mind -  how accurate do the Supercell Composites tend to be on the GFS? Haven't ever really seen them mentioned when I see you guys talking about the models.

In general, I look at the supercell composite plots for fun, if at all, at this range. I don't really take note of them until close-range and/or I have reason to believe the GFS is accurate with its MUCAPE/shear profiles.

Basically they are arbitrary and consequential. First, we have to nail the synoptic setup; then, we can determine if the GFS has reasonable numbers.

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To echo what some others have indicated, Sunday has pretty substantial potential. While I don't expect anything of the magnitude of 5/24/11 or 4/14/12, things do look promising for a decent outbreak. If I had to outline the highest tornado risk areas right now, it'd probably be east-central KS and perhaps northern OK. I don't like areas farther north due to the backed and weaker upper level flow, and further south due to stronger capping and more isolated storm coverage. Basically about from Salina/Topeka south to Enid-Ponca City, although obviously this is subject to change in the coming days.

I live near emporia/ in east-central Kansas, I'd be stoked, wouldn't have to drive very far.
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PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE FORT WORTH TX
418 PM CDT THU MAY 16 2013

...NWS DAMAGE SURVEY FOR 05/15/2013 TORNADO EVENT...

THIS INFORMATION IS CONSIDERED VERY PRELIMINARY. SURVEY
TEAMS ARE STILL OUT SURVEYING THE TORNADO DAMAGE. SURVEY TEAMS
WERE SENT TO JOHNSON COUNTY...HOOD COUNTY...PARKER COUNTY...AND
MONTAGUE COUNTY. ONE TEAM IS HOPING TO SURVEY THE ENNIS AREA IN
ELLIS COUNTY BUT THIS MAY OCCUR ON A LATER DATE. OVER THE NEXT
FEW DAYS WE WILL CONTINUE TO COLLECT DATA...TALK WITH EMERGENCY
OFFICIALS AND RESPONDERS...AND EYE WITNESSES...REVIEW RADAR
DATA...PICTURES AND VIDEOS. THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THIS
REPORT IS SUBJECT TO AND LIKELY WILL CHANGE.

SO FAR 12 TORNADOES HAVE BEEN CONFIRMED. THE FIRST TORNADO
OCCURRED IN MONTAGUE COUNTY AROUND 538 PM CDT. THE LAST REPORTED
TORNADO WAS AROUND 945 PM SOUTHEAST OF CLEBURNE.

THE TORNADOES REPORTED BELOW ARE IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER.

.TORNADO #1 - NORTHERN MONTAGUE COUNTY...

THIS TORNADO WAS REPORTED BY STORM SPOTTERS. NO ADDITIONAL
DETAILS ON THIS TORNADO ARE AVAILABLE AT THIS TIME. ADDITIONAL
INFORMATION WILL BE PROVIDED ON THIS TORNADO LATER.


.TORNADO #2 - LAKE AMON G. CARTER/MONTAGUE COUNTY...

RATING:                 EF-1
ESTIMATED PEAK WIND:    100 MPH

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION WILL BE PROVIDED ON THIS TORNADO AFTER
SURVEY CREWS RETURN.


.TORNADO #3 - ALVORD/WISE COUNTY...

THIS TORNADO WAS REPORTED BY THE PUBLIC AND STORM SPOTTERS. NO
ADDITIONAL DETAILS ON THIS TORNADO ARE AVAILABLE AT THIS TIME.
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION WILL BE PROVIDED ON THIS TORNADO LATER.


.TORNADO #4 - MILLSAP/PARKER COUNTY...

RATING:                 EF-1
ESTIMATED PEAK WIND:    100 MPH

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION WILL BE PROVIDED ON THIS TORNADO AFTER
SURVEY CREWS RETURN.


.TORNADO #5 - GRANBURY/HOOD COUNTY...

RATING:                 EF-4
FATALITIES:             6
INJURIES:               DOZENS

SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE OCCURRED WITH THIS TORNADO INCLUDING HOMES WIPED
CLEAR OFF THE FOUNDATION. ADDITIONAL INFORMATION WILL BE PROVIDED
ON THIS TORNADO AFTER SURVEY CREWS RETURN.


.TORNADO #6 - PECAN PLANTATION/HOOD COUNTY...

RATING:                 EF-1
ESTIMATED PEAK WIND:    90-100 MPH

SURVEY CREWS FOUND AN ADDITIONAL DAMAGE PATH SEPARATE FROM TORNADO
#5 THAT AFFECTED GRANBURY. ADDITIONAL INFORMATION WILL BE PROVIDED
ON THIS TORNADO AFTER SURVEY CREWS RETURN.


.TORNADO #7 - CRESSON/HOOD COUNTY...

THIS TORNADO WAS REPORTED BY STORM SPOTTERS. NO ADDITIONAL
DETAILS ON THIS TORNADO ARE AVAILABLE AT THIS TIME. ADDITIONAL
INFORMATION WILL BE PROVIDED ON THIS TORNADO LATER.


.TORNADO #8 - CLEBURNE/JOHNSON COUNTY...

RATING:                 EF-3
ESTIMATED PEAK WIND:    140 MPH
PATH LENGTH /STATUTE/:  8.5 MILES
PATH WIDTH /MAXIMUM/:   1060 YARDS

SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE OCCURRED WITH THIS TORNADO. ADDITIONAL
INFORMATION WILL BE PROVIDED ON THIS TORNADO AFTER SURVEY CREWS
RETURN.


.TORNADO #9 - 6 ESE CLEBURNE/JOHNSON COUNTY...

RATING:                 EF-0
ESTIMATED PEAK WIND:    85 MPH

SURVEY CREWS FOUND AN ADDITIONAL DAMAGE PATH SEPARATE FROM TORNADO
#8 THAT AFFECTED THE CITY OF CLEBURNE. ADDITIONAL INFORMATION WILL
BE PROVIDED ON THIS TORNADO AFTER SURVEY CREWS RETURN.


.TORNADO #10 - MILLS COUNTY...

THIS BRIEF TORNADO WAS REPORTED BY STORM SPOTTERS. NO ADDITIONAL
DETAILS ON THIS TORNADO ARE AVAILABLE AT THIS TIME. ADDITIONAL
INFORMATION WILL BE PROVIDED ON THIS TORNADO LATER.


.TORNADO #11 - WESTERN HAMILTON COUNTY...

THIS BRIEF TORNADO WAS REPORTED BY STORM SPOTTERS. NO ADDITIONAL
DETAILS ON THIS TORNADO ARE AVAILABLE AT THIS TIME. ADDITIONAL
INFORMATION WILL BE PROVIDED ON THIS TORNADO LATER.


.TORNADO #12 - WESTERN HAMILTON COUNTY...

THIS BRIEF TORNADO WAS REPORTED BY STORM SPOTTERS. NO ADDITIONAL
DETAILS ON THIS TORNADO ARE AVAILABLE AT THIS TIME. ADDITIONAL
INFORMATION WILL BE PROVIDED ON THIS TORNADO LATER.


EF SCALE: THE ENHANCED FUJITA SCALE CLASSIFIES TORNADOES INTO THE
FOLLOWING CATEGORIES.

EF0...WEAK......65 TO 85 MPH
EF1...WEAK......86 TO 110 MPH
EF2...STRONG....111 TO 135 MPH
EF3...STRONG....136 TO 165 MPH
EF4...VIOLENT...166 TO 200 MPH
EF5...VIOLENT...>200 MPH

NOTE:
THE INFORMATION IN THIS STATEMENT IS PRELIMINARY AND SUBJECT TO
CHANGE PENDING FINAL REVIEW OF THE EVENT AND PUBLICATION IN
NWS STORM DATA.

$$

JLDUNN/GPATRICK

 

 

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Wow, that lightning was incredible; perfect for filming a night tornado.

Can you all let me know if I'm seeing this video right? I paused it - and I'm wondering if the blue I've outlined is the 'mile wide' condensation funnel.

 

Or, did people think the wall cloud (outlined in red) was part of the condensation funnel? Which would be hard to tell, but I think I've accurately differentiated between the wall cloud (red) and condensation funnel (blue).

 

I'm saying this because someone posted 'mothership-like' structure shots earlier that, given a skewed view of the horizon, could appear that the entire structure was a mile or two wide (and possibly was mistaken for the tornado).

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The 18z GFS makes sunday in southern KS/OK look big time. Wow.

 

You're not kidding...with a reload for Monday. There is clearly a string of pearls along the dryline (within a very potent environment) on Sunday, and then again on Monday with even stronger flow aloft.

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The 18z GFS makes sunday in southern KS/OK look big time. Wow.

 

TWC is calling for the biggest threat to be in central/northern OK as well, we'll see what happens. I would definitely prefer for it to be be a bit south of me. No garage + hail = no good. :P

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Can you all let me know if I'm seeing this video right? I paused it - and I'm wondering if the blue I've outlined is the 'mile wide' condensation funnel.

 

Or, did people think the wall cloud (outlined in red) was part of the condensation funnel? Which would be hard to tell, but I think I've accurately differentiated between the wall cloud (red) and condensation funnel (blue).

 

I'm saying this because someone posted 'mothership-like' structure shots earlier that, given a skewed view of the horizon, could appear that the entire structure was a mile or two wide (and possibly was mistaken for the tornado).

 

You're dead on, what you've outlined in red would be Hallam, NE status.

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0-3 km EHIs of 6-10+ in that corridor with some seriously low LCLs (also has similar instability/shear on Monday).

 

It'll be interesting to see how successful dew point forecasts are tomorrow. GFS is projecting widespread low 70's across much of OK Sunday evening and even into mid 70's on Monday. Can't say I don't think it might be a little overdone, influencing LCLs and instability etc.

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It'll be interesting to see how successful dew point forecasts are tomorrow. GFS is projecting widespread low 70's across much of OK Sunday evening and even into mid 70's on Monday. Can't say I don't think it might be a little overdone, influencing LCLs and instability etc.

 

I will say that the large amounts of rain last night in North TX should help the moisture situation a bit.

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I will say that the large amounts of rain last night in North TX should help the moisture situation a bit.

 

True. I'm sure the GFS is overdoing moisture as always, but I also don't think we'll need 72+ to go gangbusters. Sure, CAPE and LCLs might verify somewhat lower and higher, respectively, than some of the current weather porn. But if the GFS shear profiles verify and storms initiate across OK and S KS, it won't matter much. Whether the GFS is even close on the synoptic evolution is another story altogether, unfortunately.

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True. I'm sure the GFS is overdoing moisture as always, but I also don't think we'll need 72+ to go gangbusters. Sure, CAPE and LCLs might verify somewhat lower and higher, respectively, than some of the current weather porn. But if the GFS shear profiles verify and storms initiate across OK and S KS, it won't matter much. Whether the GFS is even close on the synoptic evolution is another story altogether, unfortunately.

 

FWIW (not much), the 18z NAM was awfully close to the GFS aloft (H5, etc), although in the lower levels it was much different.

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