ORH_wxman Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 euro was 972 on the wunderground maps lol Yeah well thas even better for the gradient then obviously, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 '78 peaked at 984mb near the BM. Also the Euro depiction had a 978 low or so with a 1038 in central Quebec...its pretty close when take into account the distance the high was in '78. It doesn't work that way. It's about ambient pressure field. The 984 back then took place in a deeper cage. That's just not arguable. That sucker had a much more powerful integrated storm energy than that Euro run - trust me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 It doesn't work that way. It's about ambient pressure field. The 984 back then took place in a deeper cage. That's just not arguable. That sucker had a much more powerful integrated storm energy than that Euro run - trust me. I don't, lol...sorry...Euro had a ridiculous PG...the high is closer on the Euro than in '78 so its close. Closer than I think you give it credit for. But I digress, its a moot point since we are unlikely to see that solution verify anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 It doesn't work that way. It's about ambient pressure field. The 984 back then took place in a deeper cage. That's just not arguable. That sucker had a much more powerful integrated storm energy than that Euro run - trust me. That's not what I was referring to, I'm talking about the pressure falls/gradient over SNE. And the '78 sfc cyclone was not at it's maximum depth near the Benchmark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Actually, Will ... although 1978 had more integrated storm energy, I do see your point that the proximity of the high might make the "impact" seem comparable. The total gradient is not the same though. No it's not. Is there like a max wind product put out by the Euro? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 That's not what I was referring to, I'm talking about the pressure falls/gradient over SNE. Yeah, I realized what you meant - lol. See my latest post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxsniss Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 weenie question. where did jan 05 track wrt to bench mark and blizz of 78 wrt to same question. per Drag's disco that night, Jan 05 tracked almost directly over the BM... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 The discussion at hand .. there is a difference between steepness of gradient and total gradient. This system may make up for the total in terms of impact, because of the steepness. That's the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Actually, Will ... although 1978 had more integrated storm energy, I do see your point that the proximity of the high might make the "impact" seem comparable. The total gradient is not the same though. No it's not. Is there like a max wind product put out by the Euro? Not sure it's really a max wind product (if you are meaning gusts), but Wundermaps does have a product that shows sustained sfc winds (usually off the water in this part of the country, inland areas can expect stronger than depicted here) in kts. 96 hrs (tying into my severe interests, I like how the strong wind signature there looks like a supercell with a hook echo): Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Lizard Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Actually, Will ... although 1978 had more integrated storm energy, I do see your point that the proximity of the high might make the "impact" seem comparable. The total gradient is not the same though. No it's not. Is there like a max wind product put out by the Euro? There is a 10 meter gust product every six hours on the AccuWx Euro PPV, along with a sustained 10 meter wind product, how I knew the Outer Cape had sustained hurricane force winds on the 12Z Euro. I assume the 10 meter max gust product is the highest gust during the previous six hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Not sure it's really a max wind product (if you are meaning gusts), but Wundermaps does have a product that shows sustained sfc winds (usually off the water in this part of the country, inland areas can expect stronger than depicted here) in kts. 96 hrs (tying into my severe interests, I like how the strong wind signature there looks like a supercell with a hook echo): Yeah that's a fascinating signature there - does look like a bloated meso. You know ... one wonders, do pulse bombs do this at this "meso-beta" scale, in taking on a larger physicality of their smaller cousins, because this type of deepening rapidity happens faster than the Coriolis parameter's time integrated effect on the system. Wow, that's a fascinating question for this particular nerd... It's also interesting that the most meaningful wind does impact the coast in normal trajectory. In 1978, the winds were fierce farther west. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 I wonder how much the Euro will cut QPF this run...3.6" of QPF is so ludicrous that a slice by 2 inches would be reasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ji Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Storms are do easy for sne. How did you go all those years without a 10 inch storm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ji Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 I wonder how much the Euro will cut QPF this run...3.6" of QPF is so ludicrous that a slice by 2 inches would be reasonable. Euro nearly gave me that feb 5 2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Storms are do easy for sne. How did you go all those years without a 10 inch storm? Because the late 80s and early 90s sucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Euro nearly gave me that feb 5 2010 I recall 2.5" runs on the Euro in that storm down there, but never something like 3.6"...the NAM was giving that though, lol. Maybe there was a Euro run that gave that much, but I didn't recall it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ji Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 I recall 2.5" runs on the Euro in that storm down there, but never something like 3.6"...the NAM was giving that though, lol. Maybe there was a Euro run that gave that much, but I didn't recall it. There was a 3.0 run in there. Our ratios were not good for the storm. Just normal but ton of qpf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ji Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Because the late 80s and early 90s sucked. Makes no sense. Storms just naturally bomb south of your latitude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 There was a 3.0 run in there. Our ratios were not good for the storm. Just normal but ton of qpf the wcb/subtropical jet originated in Hawaii or some ridiculous nonsense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Because the late 80s and early 90s sucked. SNE is like NS without the steroids... 1978 was probably comparable to the countless maritime bombs over the decades - jesus 2000 had so many! None here. But once in a blue moon, you get one of those stem-winder New Fundland deals, just SE of ACK. 1978 was just such a storm. There was one in the 1960s like that.. 972mb low with severe thunderstorm winds actually inland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 the wcb/subtropical jet originated in Hawaii or some ridiculous nonsense Yeah that pattern couldn't have been drawn up better by Ji on MS paint for the mid-atlantic that winter....just a sickening STJ with all that extreme blocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSnowman Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 It's Almost EURO Time!! What you say Dr. No? Should I play a tune!? We really need an accordion one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 I wonder how much the Euro will cut QPF this run...3.6" of QPF is so ludicrous that a slice by 2 inches would be reasonable. The day I see a 40" Boston snowfall...lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RI Rob Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 What time does the Euro come out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GooGoo Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 In thru 36 hours... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 What time does the Euro come out? Out to 36h right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Looks less amped through 48...no surprise. This should be a tamer solution than 12z. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ji Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Looks less amped through 48...no surprise. This should be a tamer solution than 12z. So 2 feet instead of 4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Looks less amped through 48...no surprise. This should be a tamer solution than 12z. Probably more like the 00z run, last night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherMA Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Probably more like the 00z run, last night Only 25" for BOS instead of 40"...shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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