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January 2012 General Discussion/Obs


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Most def digging the look of the pacific and the GOA. Finally we get in on a winter. Someone mentioned earlier that the look of the pattern has been very La Nina like. Couldnt agree more. The storm track shifts little for the lakes region but the cold looks to be locked in..at least per a few runs.

One more "torch" this week (could be short lived) and it appears the switch will be thrown. Lets see what happens.

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Most def digging the look of the pacific and the GOA. Finally we get in on a winter. Someone mentioned earlier that the look of the pattern has been very La Nina like. Couldnt agree more. The storm track shifts little for the lakes region but the cold looks to be locked in..at least per a few runs.

One more "torch" this week (could be short lived) and it appears the switch will be thrown. Lets see what happens.

Euro says winter is dead until at least Feb 1st. I'm on that wagon. GFS is worthless.

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Its not a shocker that the euro weeklies depict warm temps. Not greatly familiar with the ECMWF long range model but they seem to have a "lag" time. Things are rolling along just fine.

Tropical pull up those weeklies from late may..What did they show for June? I could fail big on my memory but thats when I noticed a this lag. When clearly a pattern change was lurking but the long range weeklies/monthlies still showed cool conditions. We roasted so well in June and finally they caught up.

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Wonder if spring is gonna suck this year with extended cold...

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Nothing could be as bad as last Spring. Major suckage. Ill admit if this winter continues to fail a toasty Spring like we had in 2010 would be so bad ass. Besides it wont be too much longer before we start to see robins picking at worms and watching the lawns green up. If this Winter fails and stays torchy this spring might be nice.

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3rd post.

Love this write-up by Bill D. Sound familiar?

THE DR. JEKYLL / MR. HYDE WINTER OF 1899-1900

The winter of 1899-1900 started off on a pleasant, mild and dry note with little snow. Temperatures averaged only slightly above normal in December but more so in January, despite a cold snap at the beginning and end of the month. January, in fact, averaged about five � degrees above normal in Detroit. Furthermore, snowfall was only about half the average through January. By the end of January, fewer than 10 inches /9.4/ of snow fell in Detroit, which normally sees a couple of feet by this time. The majority of the storm tracks held north of Southeast Lower Michigan through midwinter, and thus, cold outbreaks and snowstorms were kept to a minimum. Yet, if the inhabitants of Southeast Lower Michigan thought they were going to get off easily the winter of 1899-1900, they were in for one rude awakening, as the latter half of the winter bore no resemblance to the first half.

Feb-Mar were absolutely brutal. that winter ended up bringing 69 inches of snow and brutal cold snaps in Feb and Mar,

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Yeah, but that was a strong El Nino. About par the course for them over the years. La Nina more likely to have a wintery surge in January/early February........or wait to spring.

Correct. Where Im leading is that it makes you wonder if this winter is and will truly be a back end loaded. The pattern has to break and the anti block will collapse. It has too! Agree 100% that it will be the pac to the rescue.

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Isn't he normally a warminista, though? He rides global warming hard. Sure, you can give him credit based on his reasoning at the time, but if he tends to ride the warm train in most situations, then you have to question whether it was just a lucky guess.

Brett seems like a good guy, but you're right, he really psuhes a global warming agenda. He's gone even more in that direction ever since Joe Bastardi left accuweather. He actually keeps a global warming blog on the accuweather free site.

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Isn't he normally a warminista, though? He rides global warming hard. Sure, you can give him credit based on his reasoning at the time, but if he tends to ride the warm train in most situations, then you have to question whether it was just a lucky guess.

He is a warminista. Funny. He was the first to cry about the cold spring. Also predicted a miserable cool Summer. Good guy.. Bad Long Ranger.

BTW. He rides the Euro weeklies like Seabiscuit.

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Isn't he normally a warminista, though? He rides global warming hard. Sure, you can give him credit based on his reasoning at the time, but if he tends to ride the warm train in most situations, then you have to question whether it was just a lucky guess.

Yeah he leans that way. His new outlook would be indicative of a raging AO and NAO. He made two posting this month, one with the rest of December and then the first half of January. You can go to his blog and see the 9th, 13th, and 16th postings. He predicted the temperatures well, actually under did them on the 9th posting. A snowy outlook for the northern Plains was off. His original prediction for this coming week will be off some with the arctic outbreak knocking on our door. His revised forecast for next week on the 13th is close in the eastern half of the country to what's going to happen with the warm vs. cold. - He's put a tough in the west, which looks a lot like the GFS after next weekend. Then his 16th posting was for the rest of the winter based off the Euro, which looks a lot like the winter of 2007-2008 pattern. And now he's changing his ideas again.

Accuweather's winter forecast in general has busted big, big time so far. So who knows what will happen! lol

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+PNA. GEFS don't agree. The OP made this mistake at Christmas time as well.

00z GFS is not backing down and keeps moving things up still. Although there is an odd issue at truncation with the storminess over Alaska, it may be breaking the general low pressure in the area down too quickly.

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