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Changed: Coastal event of 6Z 2/21 GFS 2/25 event


Mikehobbyst

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Seems more reasonable based on the setup at H5. Remember it is a pattern and not a model run that is indicative of whether or not it snows.

H5 depiction changes over time just like surface depictions do. If what was shown at 4 days at H5 verified every time we would have less than 10 inches of snow for the year.

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Sometimes I look and just do not get what folks are looking at. There is no sharp trough here. The flow is almost flat, definitely progressive. The low deepens VERY slowly. And ther northern stream feature streaks out ahead dragging the nose of the next arctic HP e-ward toward the Lakes and then New England and that northern stream feature becomes almost a pseudo 50/50. Why would this cut to the left? I see NO justicification for it. King EC will cave to the GFS--watch!!

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All good points, however, without good blocking and a -AO/-NAO in place, it will be hard to work a bunch of cold air down to the coast. Yes the nation is dominated by zonal flow, but will there be enough cold air in place?

Another oddity is that the Euro has full support from its ensembles, they take the low from Indiana to Pittsburgh, to Albany then up to Maine. Perhaps the entire euro camp is over amplifying this thing, but seeing the euro ensemble agree whole heartedly with the operational is not a good thing.

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checked the mslp spag plots and there appears to be 3 amped up members that have an inland track.

The rest seem to more or less follow the operational.

thanks for the 411. Not gonna pay attention to anything really this far out. Its more likely than not that this event is wet, not white, but everything is on the table.

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Sometimes I look and just do not get what folks are looking at. There is no sharp trough here. The flow is almost flat, definitely progressive. The low deepens VERY slowly. And ther northern stream feature streaks out ahead dragging the nose of the next arctic HP e-ward toward the Lakes and then New England and that northern stream feature becomes almost a pseudo 50/50. Why would this cut to the left? I see NO justicification for it. King EC will cave to the GFS--watch!!

WX/PT

The GFS has been better than the Euro this year, especially in the midrange.

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H5 depiction changes over time just like surface depictions do. If what was shown at 4 days at H5 verified every time we would have less than 10 inches of snow for the year.

Yea the intricate details do, however when every model indicates the big features such as a block, polar vortex, +PNA, and strong Canadian HP will not be present, it is apparent the pattern is not supportive of snows, and these larger components of the setup at H5 are less variable within 5 days. For instance the pattern on Dec 26th at H5 was supportive of snows because such elements as blocking and a large ridge out west were present, but how each individual model run handled these features altered its solution from a MECS to OTS.

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The GFS has been better than the Euro this year, especially in the midrange.

Ehh maybe on some storms. For instance the EURO was first to show this past storm as being squashed under the confluence and providing some snow to the northeast, while the GFS had a much further north and warmer solution.

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Ehh maybe on some storms. For instance the EURO was first to show this past storm as being squashed under the confluence and providing some snow to the northeast, while the GFS had a much further north and warmer solution.

Yeah, and the ensembles of both models have been better than the OP runs. I guess it depends on the set ups as to which model performs better.

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everyone from OK to SD to IA to CHI to DET to the deep south to NYC CT have gotten big snow dumps so far this winter and its not letting up. to say we dont have a shot at another one is far fetched. those big name mets who called for the end of winter couple weeks ago are out in left field now. granted this one will be warm for the EC cities, but the parade of storms keep coming. all it takes is is a slight improvement in the PNA or NAO with the right timing on ANY of the storms and we are game. we will flucuate from warm days to cold days with chances of precip at a HIGH. i certainly wont write winter off this year til beg of APR. lol.

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everyone from OK to SD to IA to CHI to DET to the deep south to NYC CT have gotten big snow dumps so far this winter and its not letting up. to say we dont have a shot at another one is far fetched. those big name mets who called for the end of winter couple weeks ago are out in left field now. granted this one will be warm for the EC cities, but the parade of storms keep coming. all it takes is is a slight improvement in the PNA or NAO with the right timing on ANY of the storms and we are game. we will flucuate from warm days to cold days with chances of precip at a HIGH. i certainly wont write winter off this year til beg of APR. lol.

Tax Day is the cut off here :P

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