LibertyBell
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Have you changed your mind on the pattern becoming warmer as soon as March starts? You shared a tweet (from Burg I think), where it seemed like you were open to the cold extending into the first part of March.
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That's what happened in December 2010. The first storm missed and it took another week for the big hit. Different winter different pattern, of course.
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I thought that was too early for the pattern progression? Maybe not
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How does International Falls compare to Caribou? I suspect with a storm track moving farther north, both would do well?
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Interesting-- NE PA and SNE both had over 30" of snow in this storm, but the areas in between were between 10-20
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Don, do you have a number for Hicksville? That's the one I read was 51" of snow.
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It would be interesting to see if the increase (if there is one) at JFK has matched ISP or is more like NYC and EWR and has leveled off some.
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But if you go by "hot days"-- defined as the number of days with the most highs of 90 or higher, that peaked in the 90s didn't it? Do you think we'll challenge those records again at some point?
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Some of these late 80s early 90s winters weren't so bad, we would kill to have a winter like the one I described in the previous post (1990-91).
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1990-91 was such an underrated winter.... I remember these storms vividly, especially the one in February which was a huge surprise- a 36 hour snowstorm! WINTER OF 1990-91 Dec. 28, 1990 - Today's 7.2" snowfall (which began late last night) was the largest accumulation in nearly four years (since January 1987) - and the biggest December snowfall since 1960. Snow ended shortly before 11 AM. Jan. 11, 1991 - 5.7" of snow accumulated during the afternoon and evening before changing to rain overnight as temperature rose into the mid-30s (close to one inch of rain fell). Despite the changeover it was a record amount of snow for the date. Feb. 26, 1991 - A surprise snowstorm dumped 8.9" of wet snow, the biggest accumulation in eight years (since 17.6" buried the City on Feb. 11-12, 1983 ). Because the temperature was just above freezing for much of the day the snow didn't accumulate much on the streets or sidewalks. This was the winter's third snowfall of five inches or more.
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No, I don't know where people got the idea that clippers "went away"-- I see them every winter on weather maps-- it's just that they don't produce much around here, clippers mostly impact the midwest.
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Thanks! See this is the kind of stuff I miss: WINTER OF 1987-88 Jan. 4, 1988 - The City woke up on Monday to 5.8" of snow that fell overnight. Four days later a steady light snow fell throughout the day, accumulating an additional 5.4". Not a lot of snow and a very average winter, but this is perfect winter weather.
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Not bad, mine was 16 so far.
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At least we could have more summers like 1993 and 2010 where we get higher highs and lows that are reasonable. I hate humidity and love dry heat. I think this will happen when we get on the other end of the AMO cycle and stop having so much rainfall.
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They never went away, they just never produce much snow, they usually dry up over the mountains.
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It was such a beautiful night, completely clear, not a cloud in the sky and a beautiful crescent moon visible well into the morning!
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Are all signs of the Western drought gone, Chris? No more dangers of empty reservoirs, lakes dry, visible lake bottoms, etc.?
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Thanks Don, I was wondering if we had them too. Are they classified for us in the same way that they are in the Pacific (1 through 5)?
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Thanks Chris-- Was 20-21 the winter of the south based block if I'm not mistaken and when Texas had that historically cold winter with all the power outages? Or was it the winter with the coastal huggers when we had two big coastal hugging events (one in December, the other near Groundhog's Day?)
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I really wish we would have a reset on these terms, you don't see all these switch backs in the other sciences. 1) There are no such things as "superstorms" There literally is no such thing. This is another matter, but Sandy should have been classified as a hurricane right up until landfall. If it has 75 mph winds, it's a hurricane, period. Maybe make a distinction between tropical hurricanes and extratropical hurricanes for structural differences? The reclassification caused so much confusion and bad decisions to be made. I know this will not happen anymore and with the current system Sandy would have been a hurricane right up until landfall. Most of the damage occurred when Sandy was still a hurricane and some insurance providers refused to cover damage because it was not considered as such with the prior system in place. 2) It is not physically possible to have a river in the air, it's a stream of water vapor, of moisture, not a river. The term atmospheric river seems to be a term used to garner headlines and attention regardless of how many decades ago this phrase was created. 3) The definition of blizzards on the east coast should be different from blizzards in other areas. To distinguish them, a ground blizzard (one in which little or no snow is falling) should be different from a blizzard in which heavy snow is falling. Make 10" of snow a minimum requirement for this.
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Extended summer stormlover74 future snow hole banter thread 23
LibertyBell replied to BxEngine's topic in New York City Metro
There's no need to hear or see any drought talk coming out of the west for at least another decade. For several years all everyone talked about out there was how all the lakes were drying up and they would be out of water..... well they got what they wished for. -
Chris, we have to make allowances for 2015-16. Central Park is just one point on the map, but if we expand the area to include all the airports and all coastal areas (which have a similar climate), then you can actually have a milder winter with 50" of snow. 2015-16 is a case in point. JFK had 40" with an average 40 degree plus temperature for the winter. There were parts of Long Island that actually received 50" that winter. It just needs a high end historic storm like we had that winter.... so say we have another 30" snowstorm, now you only need 20" for the rest of the winter to get there.
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Forky, we agree on everything about climate change, but you can actually get 50" even in a warmer winter. 2015-16 is a case in point. JFK had 40" with an average 40 degree plus temperature for the winter. There were parts of Long Island that actually received 50" that winter. It just needs a high end historic storm like we had that winter.... so say we have another 30" snowstorm, now you only need 20" for the rest of the winter to get there.
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It makes sense though because those locations are much further inland, this isn't randomness at play it's how the climate works.
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50 inches is my benchmark for a great A/A+ type winter, historically they should only happen about 10% of the time.
