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Just going from memory here but one major difference between those extremely anomalous warm periods is there was tremendous support within the Arctic domain...meaning there was little or nothing to fight back again the building heights or compress them. Also, notice with those periods too is those patterns didn't really come with fronts readily advancing across the eastern third of the country...it's a much different story building heights naturally (such a a response to lowering heights upstream a.ka. west trough) versus forcing heights to build due to say a propagating front. When you get cold fronts traversing the OV and into the Northeast, more than likely there will be at least one wave developing along the front and that's what ultimately screws us in the warm sector department, particularly when the look across eastern Canada favors to squash said low.
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On the brochure for why you stay away from New England springs it reads, "It's great! Warm enough for nothing interesting but cold enough to eff us from nice weather. This is for Mar-early May."
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I would not be the least bit surprised if a backdoor front passes by at least part of the area on Tuesday..
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Went up to Shenandoah and watched the sun rise above the inversion with a friend! Hiked up to Mary’s rock and then the mid level clouds broke and it got sunny. Could see the mist try to build and make its way up the mountain. At the top it was mid 60s and within 5 miles it was 50s and grey.
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Gfs is great. Warm enough for nothing interesting but cold enough to eff us from nice weather. This is for Wednesday.
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Agreed...this is what Will and said a week ago... probably just ends up no side of the warm season/cool season debate taking a trophy
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Central PA Spring 2026 Discussion/Obs Thread
Voyager replied to Voyager's topic in Upstate New York/Pennsylvania
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Don't threaten me with a good time..
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I hope so-the AIFS being right but we know how these backdoor setups usually go this time of year and even into May some years-they’re more aggressive than models show 100+ hours out. And the waters have a long way to go to start warming up. Jones Beach has been 35-36 degrees the last few days. That’ll make itself felt any way it can.
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TT, My apologies for wording that as if those were your own words. That was my bad. I have no reason to refute the 0.35C rise of the last decade. 2023 had that sharp rise and that hasn’t come off with a new record likely in the way this year. But that’s just one decade and thus on its own it’s statistical credibility is much lower than that of the 0.2C of the prior 45 years. I assume you agree. I’d think that a “correction” of sorts could very well occur later this decade after the upcoming El Niño and would be surprised if the next decade were to warm close to another 0.35C. Reversion to the recent mean decadal increase unless for some unknown reason the true underlying mean increase has suddenly risen.
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Agreed .. if using just just climate, but therein is an interesting consideration. Part of climate practicum is being aware of recency, without it being a recency bias - tricky difference there... But over the last 10 or 12 years, recency has verified something like 1/3 or more of the Feb thru Apr periods as hosting an exotic early season warm event. 80s dude. With warm fronts up near Baffin Island for f sake. I've seen that happen ... yet never saw that happen in the previous 40 some odd years of my life. It's a new thang, man... get jiggy wit' it. Or, has that stopped. I don't know, but recency has demonstrated it's no longer merely plausible... it can and will do so. So, what the models were showing 7 to 10 days ago was another one of those crazed potentials - or at minimum, suggesting as much. Couldn't dismiss it out of hand because of recency. Not really hard. There were several runs back then with 582 dm height contours safely N of Logan's latitude. But like you were saying .. idiosyncrasies that are equally ( obviously ) important raised some flags.. Canada and so forth
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Central PA Spring 2026 Discussion/Obs Thread
Itstrainingtime replied to Voyager's topic in Upstate New York/Pennsylvania
Thanks for sharing. I'm well below normal as well. I know that many here only care what MDT has recorded as their basis for for determining snowfall, but I'm WELL below what MDT has recorded this winter and quite frankly...to me, that's what matters. -
That's what I have here in Cape Neddick.
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Occasional Thoughts on Climate Change
Typhoon Tip replied to donsutherland1's topic in Climate Change
Firstly, "I" not comparing anything. That's a cite from the article. That's what the quotation marks mean. Secondly, it is what it is... The numbers show that the rate of increase rose from .2, to .35. you have a problem with fact of the numbers? -
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Rainfall last two days 1.66". Total since March 1 = 2.19". Good riddance to the road salt and dare I say good riddance to the snow cover as well. Down to about 1/2" here with 25% coverage. Plowed mounds are another story and it will likely take another week plus to get rid of the mounds on my street. Even longer for parking lot mounds which are still impressive. Looking forward to the coming warmth next week.
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ehhh too me that's just a byproduct of a good winter...part of having a good (or great) winter is dealing with the aftermath which is spring mud season. The remainder of this month is probably going to bring it all, some very mild days, some raw/chilly days, wintry precipitation threats, rain. Hopefully by the time we get closer to April we can make a quick transition into more pleasant weather (which still can be quite the ask)
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Now you're seeing the issue I have with early warm ups and melt outs up here. Regardless of what happens, you can't do anything outside until mid to late April so losing the pack early just prolongs mud season.
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TT said: "Over the past 10 years, the estimated warming ratehas been around 0.35°C per decade, depending on the dataset, compared with just under 0.2°C per decade on average from 1970 to 2015.” TT, A problem I see is that you’re using just one decade for the 0.35/decade calculation vs using 4.5 decades to determine the ~0.2/decade.
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garden variety classic, needed and nice
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Still a fairly robust pack here. It'd be funny to lose it all and then have it reappear by the end of March.
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There is a period late Saturday into first half of Sunday with dew 48-58 across SNE .. That will cause some damage .. Then again late Tuesday
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E PA/NJ/DE Spring 2026 Obs/Discussion
ChescoWx replied to PhiEaglesfan712's topic in Philadelphia Region
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The problem with this warmer weather coming up is that everything is just gonna be a mess. It’s almost better that we didn’t have any snow on the ground because at least things wouldn’t be a muddy mess. Finally seeing a small patch of grass where it’s sloped, wind scoured, and destroyed by turkeys pecking away at it.
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Oh man this is hitting just right.
