2026-2027 Strong/Super El Nino

[Stormchaserchuck1]

13 minutes ago, snowman19 said:

That KW is a monster

Really a strong graduation. It's still intensifying in the far east

[Stormchaserchuck1]

New CPC Summer seasonal is much warmer than classic developing Strong Nino climo

[Stormchaserchuck1]

New CPC Winter forecast fwiw. In the last 15 years they actually don't verify as good as you think they would at +2 month lead. Not sure how they do at +7 month lead:

[snowman19]

@stormchaserchuck1

It not only looks like 1997, the far eastern subsurface is actually warmer than 1997 was now:

[snowman19]

[Stormchaserchuck1]

^If May finishes where we are now in the SOI, there will have been only one 2-month period with a lower SOI since 2016, Aug-Sept 2023, and was barely lower than -10/month. It's been quite a +SOI streak since 2016. Big difference in the SOI this Spring after an anomalous +7 March. 

[michsnowfreak]

On 5/20/2026 at 9:21 AM, buckeye said:

A super nino winter can also hold surprises and extreme events even though the overall backdrop is above normal temps.   I think Cincy had it's greatest 24 hr snowfall in Feb of '98.    Weird cut off low dropping snow to the south and rain to the north.    It probably won't be completely boring and I'm sure there will be some fantasy storms to track.

Oh for sure.  Its all relative. We still have winter, just not as much as we normally do. Ive been saying since March, and will only get more confident if el nino stays on the strong path, that next winter will see less cold and snowcover but a bigger storm. 

Multiple instances of good storms in strong Nino winters. Usually get a few of the very scenic paste jobs too. 

[michsnowfreak]

9 hours ago, 40/70 Benchmark said:

Correct, but it had a -WPO, which is why it was actually a decent season.

1982-83 was hands down the worst winter of the strong nino bunch here. 

[GaWx]

23 minutes ago, michsnowfreak said:

1982-83 was hands down the worst winter of the strong nino bunch here. 

1957-8, 1972-3, and 1982-3 had the most wintry precipitation of the super Ninos in the SE US. Also, 1957-8 was cold vs the NN of 72-3 and 82-3. 65-6 was also cold.

[LakePaste25]

Yup. To eradicate that W pac warm pool (which is what we want), we will need to maximize on this potential. 

 

[Stormchaserchuck1]

No surprise here

NOAA predicts below-normal 2026 Atlantic hurricane season | National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration

[BlizzardWx]

9 hours ago, GaWx said:

Click on 2nd chart on right at this link:

https://s2s.worldclimateservice.com/climatepanel/

It dropped to -1.04, which is equivalent to the NOAA being in the ~-1.75 to -2 range.

The last few years we've done that mid summer PDO nosedive. I think that will be an early clue for this winter for what path we are on. If we can avoid driving off the PDO cliff maybe things really are changing.

 

1 hour ago, LakePaste25 said:

Yup. To eradicate that W pac warm pool (which is what we want), we will need to maximize on this potential. 

 

This is definitely what we want to see. After a decade of anomalous warmth its going to take some work to clear that heat out, but we should make a good dent if the WWBs and KWs continue. I hope we can get plenty of recurving typhoons this summer and fall to eat up the warmth further north too. 

[40/70 Benchmark]

10 hours ago, Stormchaserchuck1 said:

+7c is about to pop in the far eastern subsurface on TAO/Triton. That's the warmest so far, and the subsurface is still strengthening according to that. 

Super El Niño and decent -PDO would probably be lights out for winter.

[40/70 Benchmark]

5 hours ago, michsnowfreak said:

1982-83 was hands down the worst winter of the strong nino bunch here. 

Yea, it's the only decent one out here.

[GaWx]

The most solid Nino support from AAM yet if this CFS prog is to be believed:

 

[snowman19]

The South American weather service just declared that an “El Nino Costero” (coastal) has developed…..
 

[40/70 Benchmark]

1 hour ago, snowman19 said:

The South American weather service just declared that an “El Nino Costero” (coastal) has developed…..
 

I think I'm fluent in 12 different languages as a result of following your ENSO updates.

[rclab]

3 hours ago, snowman19 said:

The South American weather service just declared that an “El Nino Costero” (coastal) has developed…..
 

 

1 hour ago, 40/70 Benchmark said:

I think I'm fluent in 12 different languages as a result of following your ENSO updates.

S 19, it’s a bit of refreshing humor and a compliment. Perhaps just a bit left handed but a compliment just the same. Your post attachments give me the impression that you must be multi lingual. Im sincere, if you think not, I’ll accept your ‘pito’ Stay well, as always ….

[40/70 Benchmark]

9 minutes ago, rclab said:

 

S 19, it’s a bit of refreshing humor and a compliment. Perhaps just a bit left handed but a compliment just the sane. Your post attachments give me the impression that you must be multi lingual. Im sincere, if you think not, I’ll accept your ‘pito’ Stay well, as always ….

Yea, just having some fun. I appreciative his insight and refreshers in espanol.

[michsnowfreak]

17 hours ago, GaWx said:

1957-8, 1972-3, and 1982-3 had the most wintry precipitation of the super Ninos in the SE US. Also, 1957-8 was cold vs the NN of 72-3 and 82-3. 65-6 was also cold.

 

12 hours ago, 40/70 Benchmark said:

Yea, it's the only decent one out here.

To clarify...I meant 1982-83 was the absolute shittiest winter of the bunch here. I grew up with my winter-hating dad saying he remembers how "great" that winter was. My mom (who loves winter) was pregnant with me and said she remembers feeling sick at Christmas Eve midnight mass because it was warm in her coat. It was pretty much on its way to being the least snowy winter on record, with only 9" falling thru March 19, but then two spring snowstorms (Mar 21 & Apr 17) added 11" so the winter finished at 20". No winter since has seen that little snowfall. Also, it still stands as the least snowy astrononomical winter on record with only 5.8" falling Dec 21-Mar 19.

1957-58 and 1965-66 at least had some cold, white stretches but were also absolutely atrocious snow years. In fact, both finished UNDER 20" of snowfall. I only give them the nod above 1982-83 since they had some cold & white stretches in winter. With the abysmal snowfall, as you would imagine, the snowdepth was only 2-3" during these wintry stretches

1997-98 and 2023-24 sucked overall, but were better than 1957-58, 1965-66, and 1982-83.

1972-73, 1987-88, 1991-92, 2015-16 all had some fun winter stretches and while none of them were great winters Id take any of them in a heartbeat over the others.

[40/70 Benchmark]

6 minutes ago, michsnowfreak said:

 

To clarify...I meant 1982-83 was the absolute shittiest winter of the bunch here. I grew up with my winter-hating dad saying he remembers how "great" that winter was. My mom (who loves winter) was pregnant with me and said she remembers feeling sick at Christmas Eve midnight mass because it was warm in her coat. It was pretty much on its way to being the least snowy winter on record, with only 9" falling thru March 19, but then two spring snowstorms (Mar 21 & Apr 17) added 11" so the winter finished at 20". No winter since has seen that little snowfall. Also, it still stands as the least snowy astrononomical winter on record with only 5.8" falling Dec 21-Mar 19.

1957-58 and 1965-66 at least had some cold, white stretches but were also absolutely atrocious snow years. In fact, both finished UNDER 20" of snowfall. I only give them the nod above 1982-83 since they had some cold & white stretches in winter. With the abysmal snowfall, as you would imagine, the snowdepth was only 2-3" during these wintry stretches

1997-98 and 2023-24 sucked overall, but were better than 1957-58, 1965-66, and 1982-83.

1972-73, 1987-88, 1991-92, 2015-16 all had some fun winter stretches and while none of them were great winters Id take any of them in a heartbeat over the others.

Yea, I know what you mean. 1957 and 1965 were very good here, but they were kind of borderline strong versus super. 

[Stormchaserchuck1]

57-58 and 65-66 also didn't have a strong east-based orientation. Since 1948, only 5 events: 72-73, 82-83, 97-98, 15-16, and 23-24 have been basin wide Super Nino. Kind of interesting that this will be the 3rd one in 12 years, in the midst of many weaker La Nina's. 

[paulm]

We are starting to see guidance latch onto a highly anomalous ridge over Canada going into next weekend, which is a key part of the pattern we saw in May/June 2023 as well. It is plausible wildfire season could start to take off in Canada as a result.

[snowman19]

[michsnowfreak]

1 hour ago, 40/70 Benchmark said:

Yea, I know what you mean. 1957 and 1965 were very good here, but they were kind of borderline strong versus super. 

Yikes its pretty much the best ones here are the worst ones there and vice versa.

[40/70 Benchmark]

13 minutes ago, paulm said:

We are starting to see guidance latch onto a highly anomalous ridge over Canada going into next weekend, which is a key part of the pattern we saw in May/June 2023 as well. It is plausible wildfire season could start to take off in Canada as a result.

@bluewaveIs that you?

[40/70 Benchmark]

13 minutes ago, michsnowfreak said:

Yikes its pretty much the best ones here are the worst ones there and vice versa.

Yea, precipitation is the problem from your area into NNE....temps pretty near equally as correlated to snowfall here...close. Slight hedged towards precip from my area near the NH border and on up.

[snowman19]

Even the new RONI projections are up to +3C now:
 
 

^ “Getting this sort of MJO-driven reinforcement of the developing #ElNiño with a massive westerly wind burst is a pretty good indicator that this event is going to be a very strong one. No sustained easterlies to interrupt the last Kelvin Wave, and this next WWB should push the warm pool even further east. Probably why even the *relative* SST anomalies are pushing 3-3.5C in some of the latest forecasts.”

Check out this animated thermocline progression over the last month…..just wow:

 

 

[mitchnick]

@Stormchaserchuck1

How's the May NAO index off Newoundland looking so far if you don't mind me asking? 

[snowman19]